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FastEd
14th August 2002, 13:45
Cross posted from announcements, anyone practice this style? And care to provide some background information on it.
The instructors name is "Renshi" Sidney G. Martin. Other questions that come to mind are, what style(s)of Iai are practiced (Mugai ryu is mentioned so is ZNKR)and who the instructors are? Is the "Renshi" a shogo recieved in Iai?

Thanks

Here is the site:
Nindo Ryu Iaido (http://www.navybase.net/gtmaa/Nindo_Ryu/nindo_ryu_iaido.htm)

ghp
15th August 2002, 06:48
Hi Ed,
Is the "Renshi" a shogo recieved in Iai?
[Placing "Cap of Skepticism" on head] I doubt it. It appears to me that here in the Americas ... anyone who claims a 4th dan automatically takes the style Renshi; someone around 5~6 dan will style themselves Kyoshi; and those who purchase their "soke-ship" or are voted into a Hall of Fame of whatever ... these will become HANSHI... even if they are only 35-40 years old.

Very few Americans have an authentic shogo [okay ... what's "authentic"?]. I received my Renshi license [International Battodo Federation] as a 6th dan and had to take a written test in Japanese (and to be brutally honest, the Board of Directors probably did not understand a thing that I wrote :o). I'm 7th dan now, but still only a Renshi .... gee -- maybe [since I'm 50 in October] .... with me being an American and all .... maybe I should just start calling myself "hanshi".

:laugh:Bwa-Hahahahahahahahahaha:laugh:

Regards,
Guy

Scott Irey
15th August 2002, 10:26
Guy, you may never get to be Hanshi...but you will always be Hage to me ;)

Scott Irey

"God only made a few perfect heads... the rest he covered with hair"

carl mcclafferty
15th August 2002, 14:01
Gentlemen:

To be fair Carlos Frebres (the founder of Nindo Ryu)studied Ryuseiken Batto Do for a couple of years in the mid-90s. But eventually decided it was not for him.

He competed in the 2000 Orlando Tai Kai doing Nindo Ryu Iaido. I was there,it was not Mugai Ryu, it was not Seitei, it was not Ryuseiken; it was Nindo Ryu Iaido ????? (though it might have changed). It appears the gentleman who wrote the page was just quoting books, not claiming to actually teach Mugai Ryu or any art other than "Nindo Ryu" though it could seem that way depending how you want to understand his writings.

Carl McClafferty

BigJon
15th August 2002, 17:22
I may be wrong, but me thinks that Carlos recieved a 6th degree from Sensei Tanemura (Genbukan) a few years ago. I believe before that, nindo ryu floated around somewhere between Rick Tew, and other neo ninja groups. I dont know if Mr. Febres iscurrently Genbukan affiliated. Jon Gillespie -as far as Iado, its new(s) to me

WindDemon
15th August 2002, 18:46
Originally posted by FastEd
Cross posted from announcements, anyone practice this style? And care to provide some background information on it.
The instructors name is "Renshi" Sidney G. Martin. Other questions that come to mind are, what style(s)of Iai are practiced (Mugai ryu is mentioned so is ZNKR)and who the instructors are? Is the "Renshi" a shogo recieved in Iai?

Thanks

Here is the site:
Nindo Ryu Iaido (http://www.navybase.net/gtmaa/Nindo_Ryu/nindo_ryu_iaido.htm)

Greetings again Fast Ed and readers!
My Name is Agustin "T" Rodriguez Jr. and I am the Secretary for the World Nindo Ryu Federation, I am also responsible for the information on the www, concerning Nindo Ryu so I hope I can supply you with the information you seek!

http://www.angelfire.com/my/nindoryuiaijutsu/
is the link to follow which will be the home for Nindo ryu Iai jutsu I will attempt to fill in the gaps till I can continue construction of this site. This site is under construction so please bear with me till I can get more acces to files and personal accounts to quench everyones thirst for information about the Ryu.

Nindo ryu Iai jutsu is the proper name forgive the errors in terminology! Second Sidney is a "Renshi" within the Nindo ryu organization just not in the Iai jutsu division of such. We understanf the diference and we are aware of what assumptions can and will be made if this is left unclear so I will make it a piont to clear all of the information up to avoid further confusion!

Nindo Ryu Iaijutsu is a "Gendai Style" with elements of:
Muso Shinden Ryu
RyuSei Ken Batto Do
Kodai No Seishin
Katori Shinto ryu
The system implements ;
nine (9) formall Katas
Eighteen (18) formal wazas, all katas can be executed in batto jutsu conditions ( cutting ) during excersize.

In addition to the Katana & Waki sashi at the advanced level includes, So jutsu, Jo do and Taijutsu techniques associated with sword combat.

Although I have Sensei Febres's Bio on this site I would Like to clarify that as of last month 06/19/02 the current soke of Nindo Ryu iaijutsu is Sensei Leon A Major Jr. I hope this has answered some of your quriousity. I will be supplying more information as I can organize it. I will appreciate any feedback as these sites are built for I am a one man team and things can slip by unnoticed!
Thank you
with respect!

FastEd
15th August 2002, 22:13
Thank you for the informative responses, it is an interesting assortment of styles. I have never heard of "Kodai No Seishin" ? I look forward to learning more about it.
Another question brought on by your response; Is there any underlying reason why Nindo ryu prefers the term "Iaijutsu" to "Iaido"?

Just for reference, there has been plenty of debate on this forum about this naming scheme, and what each term means in terms of the practice and mental approach to Iai

thanks

John Lindsey
15th August 2002, 22:44
I may be wrong, but me thinks that Carlos recieved a 6th degree from Sensei Tanemura (Genbukan) a few years ago.

It was an honorary 7th degree in Goshinjutsu from what I recall. Carlos has no ranking in Genbukan ninpo taijutsu or our bikenjutsu sword system. Matter of fact, I don't think he has even paid his membership for this year so he might be a former member now.

BigJon
16th August 2002, 15:50
Thanks for the correction, I knew he received something from Sensei Tanemura...what exactly is an honorary degree? Is it just to see how the individual will grow into the organization? Jon Gillespie

Ron Tisdale
16th August 2002, 16:08
Waki sashi ... Waki sashi ...

Hmmm, I have a ferret named Sashi, and he is pretty wacki...especially after a bath....

:)

RT

Kendoguy9
16th August 2002, 16:31
Howdy everybody,

Just to let everyone know "Nindo-ryu" is one of those modern arts that changes arts everytime something falls out of fashion. It was also a very heated topic on the AOL Martial arts message board a few years ago. They were eventually laughed off the board. When the debates on AOL were hot Nindo ryu was a style of ninjutsu. They also taught various sword styles and kobudo weapons (karate). As anyone who has seen the most recent website can see there is no mention of ninjutsu because it is no longer the the cool (bring in big bucks) art to do. From my understanding their "Soke" Mr. Febres was a jack of all trade getting a few months training here and there and making his own system and calling himself "Soke". We were all shocked when he actually did get some real training in battodo but from the sound of it he learned just enough so he could cut and then add it to his hodge-podge. On AOL he and his students attempted to make out that the honorary dan rank in the Gembukan was not honorary and that after meeting Mr. Tanemura, Mr. Tanemura was so impressed with Mr. Febres' skill that he made him an instant 6th or 7th dan. Oh well. At least they kept us entertained.

gambatte!!!

carl mcclafferty
16th August 2002, 17:03
Carlos only stayed until he got his Shodan in Ryuseiken. Nice enough gentleman, (I like him personally) but it would be a little hard to incorporate Ryuseiken into a combination art at any rank. The whole strategy is different than the other styles mentioned. I study and teach both gendai and koryu, complete separation of them is a must (for me). Trying to combine any group of non-smimilar arts would seem to be a complete disaster as far as designed sword strategy and technique. So Nindo Ryu Iaido has a different sword strategy of its "own", hence my point about it not looking like Mugai Ryu, Seitei or Ryuseiken.

Carl McClafferty

WindDemon
17th August 2002, 05:57
Originally posted by Kendoguy9
Howdy everybody,
As anyone who has seen the most recent website can see there is no mention of ninjutsu.
gambatte!!!

Ahem! the dot com is out for a while in limbo land so if you are at a loss for info do not immediately jump to your conclusions. I can supply you with information then. And it is not a trend I have been in this practice "Gendai Ninjutsu" since the early nineties and never paid a cent I might add.

On the other hand you were talking about making money so try this http://www.ninjutsu.com/home.shtml and pick a program that suits your gripe. I like the cool "WIN FREE STUFF" pop up and the affiliate$$ program:D myself!

The practice of the sword has been there with Nindo since the begining so to imply that it is a trend you are mistaken or just talking without knowing!

Here is something to keep you busy, the second link it to Sensei Joe Rebelo's site ( a Martial Arts Historan ) and an AOL message board vet. He just so happens to be a Iaijutsu member as well as an acomplished swordsman. And sir your inflamatory language can only bring about the negative in this board. Unless that is what you are looking for, I please ask you show a bit more respect!

http://www.angelfire.com/myband/newyorknindo/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/KENPOJOE/febresandrebelo2.html

Kendoguy9
17th August 2002, 07:23
Howdy,

I'll agree with you that the pop up ads and the commercialism of the Bujinkan sight makes me laugh. It looks like someone selling "For-all-that-ales-ya Tonics". I took a look at the second link from New York and I saw a tribute to Ron Duncan. I had the pleasure to see one of Mr. Duncans training videos in Las Vegas. It was great... between the tabi that were too large and curled like elf booties, the gun attack where you kneel behind them point the gun at their gut from between their legs (and your face too) killing them (and you), his total inability to say aiki on his aikijitsu tape (instead calling it ai-iki), and who can forget his students screaming like morons while doing kiai practice (?) it had everyone in the room rolling. "This is a position. This is another position. This is the reverse of a position." "My ai-iki; it flows like the wind, it's like the breeze." You guys crack me up LOL

gambatte!!!

WindDemon
18th August 2002, 00:13
Originally posted by Kendoguy9
Howdy,
You guys crack me up LOL
gambatte!!!

OK, so you are a direspectfull bigmouth, we get that! This is the swords forrum, stay in topic or take your Ai-iki beef to the Aiki forrum.

WindDemon
18th August 2002, 05:25
Originally posted by FastEd
Is there any underlying reason why Nindo ryu prefers the term "Iaijutsu" to "Iaido"?
thanks

Greetings again Fast!
The reason behind the use of Jutsu instead of the Do is because the system incorporates a great deal of cutting in addition to the Kata and there is much more enphasis on techniques.

Boler, hey long time huh?!
Why did he step down??? the question of the thousand red pennies!!
Although we have almost daily discussions and we did share some time at the cross training summit (www.geocities.com/askikir) upstate, sensei moves fast and keeps himself busy either treating patients or making one of an uke, It has not occured to me to ask such a question.
I do not believe it will be something he will share in public anyway. Best bet personal reasons but I invite you to PM him or e mail him, I am sure he will answer you or if not wait a couple days till I can get one for you!

Soon enough I will be covering all of those questions and illustrating what goes on in the Nindo Ryu plus others via my homepage which is that geocities link above.

Don Roley
22nd August 2002, 11:49
Originally posted by carl mcclafferty
Carlos only stayed until he got his Shodan in Ryuseiken.

This is kind of sad.

Carlos Febres has been an object of ridicule on the internet, because he was one of the first people to declare himself a "soke" when he was barely able to legally drink. He has also been an object of scorn at the scandels he and those under his direct control have been involved in. But looking at the above, I am reminded that he really is kind of an object of pity.

It is obvious that he only studied the arts he did long enough to get his ticket punched. While most would just concentrate on how he chose not to pursue true excellence, I have to reflect on just how limited he ended up in his freedom due to early actions.

Once you declare to the world you are the "soke" of an art that includes iai, how much time can you really spend learning other iai arts? If Febres was to spend too much time studying something like Mugai ryu, then his iai students would ask why they were learning something from him when he obviously was learning something else that was better. If it was not better, why was he studying so hard at it?

So he spent just enough time to get his ticket punched in Ryuseiken, then left. Some people have spent lifetimes in arts like Mugai ryu and still feel they have things to learn, marrow to suck, from these arts.

But Febres can't do that. He has built up his whole image in the eyes of others of being a master. To abandon all that and go back to being a real, serious, student in something like Mugai ryu would be a form of suicide as his self image would have to be thrown away. Few people could do that after building their entire lives around being a master of an art they themselves created, and Febres is not one of them.

As a student first and foremost, I have a freedom Febres can never have. I returned a few weeks ago from America. There is no teachers of the Japanese art I study now near my family home that can equal what I get now, but there are skilled Chinese style teachers near my father's house. I need not continue with the art I am in now, but could make the change to another, impressive, art. I have the freedom to make that choice if I feel that choice is best for me and my progress.

Febres can not make that choice, and so deserves a moment of pity from us.

22nd August 2002, 22:03
Humm...Mr Agustin"T"Rodriguez jr .......( I know something you don't.)

You stated:

"Here is something to keep you busy, the second link it to Sensei Joe Rebelo's site ( a Martial Arts Historan ) and an AOL message board vet."

Maybe you know something I don't...maybe not. I've got to ask. What makes Joe Rebelo a martial arts historian? What are his qualifications to be considered as such? I've never heard of him. Does he have any formal education that qualifies him to be referred to as a historian? If not, what historical research has he undertaken and completed. Is he published in any respected periodical such as Aikido Journal or Journal Asian of Martial Arts ?

Just seeking clarity,

Toby Threadgill

WindDemon
23rd August 2002, 01:35
Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Humm...Mr Toby Threadgill......(Toby Threadgill \ Soryushin Dojo Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin Kai).......

You stated:

I've got to ask. What makes Joe Rebelo a martial arts historian?

This is the swords forrum in a swords thread ask in another place stay in topic. Pardon if I am kurt with you!


Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Humm...Mr Toby Threadgill......(Toby Threadgill \ Soryushin Dojo Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin Kai).......

You stated:
I've never heard of him.

But funny I think he might Know whom you are or someone close to you!!!!!!!!!


Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Humm...Mr Toby Threadgill......(Toby Threadgill \ Soryushin Dojo Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin Kai).......

You stated:
Is he published in any respected.........Just seeking clarity,

Toby Threadgill
:D this is stating to sound more and more like the Ninjutsu forrums below. I will contact you with him e mail me and I will send you his e mail for further inquiries if not follow the link wich was posted for such a purpose and inquire there. Forgive me if I am not clarifying enough but this is a sword forrum and the topic is about Nindo Ryu Iaijutsu.We can correspond via e mail or PM if youd like to continue the conversation. AOL IM askikir, Yahoo IM askikir, MSN IM askikir or askikir1
now to Don Roley......

WindDemon
23rd August 2002, 02:13
Don, Don, Don..... for ever having something to share about the Nindo......never having a clue as to what your are saying but.... having the cojones to put them out there anyway. Eloquently put as to the rest of your testimonials. So, aside from your topical deduction about Mr. Febres and his freedoms. What do you know about the Nindo Ryu sword practitioner?
Absolutely nothing...right?! as of most things you would be sharing with the rest of the e-budo world, you are a subject of pitty within your own circle where they wish you would stop posting testimonials about anything, so you find your way here. Cool!

Most people outside respect a Nindo Ryu sword practitioner by watching him perform his lessons well! With the proper etiquette and cutting true and through.

You are basing your critisism not on any fact but on bias against him and on past beef unsettled in another forrum. Because I know you know nothing of the system you are discussing here!
Are you basing it because it is a "GENDAI ART"?!

FastEd
23rd August 2002, 15:59
Originally posted by WindDemon

You are basing your critisism not on any fact but on bias against him and on past beef unsettled in another forrum. Because I know you know nothing of the system you are discussing here!
Are you basing it because it is a "GENDAI ART"?!

I realize that there are more then a few feuds within the Ninja related arts, thankfully I am not assoiated with then in any way. So when you responde to my critisims, please understand that they are coming from someone who has spent the majority of his time in the sword arts.

The problem I see with Nindo Ryu Iai is directly related to the way in which it appears to have been developed. I.e. the founder having travelled around and sampled several very different arts without sticking to one and learning it in depth. Contrast this with what other Gendai organizations consider an appropraite level of skill and time, and you will see clearly why some may have a problem taking it seriously.

In the end, however, it all comes down to what you can show on the floor, if its clear and understandable, kudos, if it is a mishmash, well...

WindDemon
23rd August 2002, 23:33
Originally posted by FastEd
So when you responde to my critisims, please understand .....

In the end, however, it all comes down to what you can show on the floor, if its clear and understandable, kudos, if it is a mishmash, well...

Fast, I understand your critique, constructive critisism is absorbed and noted. Advancing at a chance to get even and beating a dead horse, I will never understand and shoot it down, reason for the response to Don. I am not defending it blindly either I am just against the smack talker with nothing really constructive to contribute. If something is wrong in the practice etiquette or technique I would be the first one to ask for the correction! And thank them for their contribution to the art.

Mishmash,:D I like that....I will use that one!

gendzwil
24th August 2002, 00:42
Originally posted by WindDemon

constructive critisism is absorbed and noted.

Well, when I look at the website quoted in your profile and see a reference to "O'Sensei Ronald Duncan", I immediately know that your school doesn't know how to use Japanese titles properly. So why are you even bothering to use Japanese terms? As you guys have fabricated your technique into some 'murrican kurotty version of JSA, just use english terms and be straightforward about it. That wouldn't be very good for marketing now though, would it?

Soulend
24th August 2002, 01:30
I'm sorry, what is the purpose of creating a modern style (suffixing it with 'jutsu' no less) with an antiquated weapon?

WindDemon
25th August 2002, 17:37
Originally posted by gendzwil
just use english terms and be straightforward about it. That wouldn't be very good for marketing now though, would it?

If it ever crosses my mind to open a school and do my own thing :rolleyes: you bet the name of the school and techniques will be tought in "SPANGLISH:D but I will let the powers that be know of your suggestion!

Marketing has very little to do with anything in what we do, if not we would follow more comericalized practices such as in my experience, the unrelated topics of the ninja world

http://www.winjutsu.com/ninjakids/
http://www.ninjutsu.com/enternow.html
http://www.ninjutsu.com/affiliate-program.shtml
Now that is marketing!!

Offering to teach something that to you know is pretty effective is the way things have evolved for as long as History. It is clear cut and everything is out in the open for them to investigate train and evolve as they wish. There are no restraints and crosstraining is encouraged. The more they learn the better they become and hopefuly it will add to the evolvement of the system.

Besides the system is based on Japanese systems , techniques are japanese based, etiquette, etc..therefore the "JUTSU" I believe that if it was an AMERICANIZED system it would have american swords, battlefield dress, eiquette, etc...

gendzwil
25th August 2002, 18:44
Originally posted by WindDemon

Besides the system is based on Japanese systems , techniques are japanese based, etiquette, etc..therefore the "JUTSU"
You really haven't addressed the original point - as it's clear from your website that you guys haven't a clue when it comes to Japanese terminology and etiquette, why bother with the pseudo-Japanese unless it's pure marketing?

Kendoguy9
25th August 2002, 20:15
Wind Demon,

Why don't you keep on topic like you keep telling us to? You keep linking to ninja sites but when people talk about your teacher and his bogus aikijujutsu training all you can say is "This is the swords forrum, stay in topic or take your Ai-iki beef to the Aiki forrum.", "Forgive me if I am not clarifying enough but this is a sword forrum and the topic is about Nindo Ryu Iaijutsu" How about this then? This is E-budo the forum for JAPANESE martial arts NOT American/Peutorican martial arts (very) losely based on Japanese arts. However thats not really fair to you. So stay on E-budo for our entertainment :) Maybe we can move this into the "Bad Budo" forum?

gambatte!!!

Chris Covington

WindDemon
25th August 2002, 22:03
Originally posted by Kendoguy9
Wind Demon,

Why don't you .......
Chris Covington

Aaahhh!!! QUIT Yer Wineing!! :D I know your seeking attention but this is the swords forrum and we are discussing a sword topic. You have a Problem with American, Puerto Rican, Aiki-what ever take yer beef else where! SIMPLE!;)

no one is forcing you to read but the forrums are divided into topics for that reason to discuss a related topic. Kendo the links are just for that to save the space of having to post unrelated material, in such a case marketing was brought up so whom better than the MASTERS at it not by litering the thread with unrelated material but linking them to the source so they can make the distinction themselves!!

Again you are disrupting the course of the thread take yer beef elsewhere!

WindDemon
26th August 2002, 03:37
Originally posted by gendzwil
You really...

OK,Gen being I am the one doing most of the work pretty late at night and you spoted the error you can e mail me and let me know or when my superiors get to it they will let me know immediately. But you have a piont if there is a mistake I need to do a better job of editing or people might mistake an Honest mistake with ineptitude if they are only reading and not actually experiencing.

gendzwil
26th August 2002, 06:19
Originally posted by WindDemon


OK,Gen being I am the one doing most of the work pretty late at night and you spoted the error you can e mail me and let me know or when my superiors get to it they will let me know immediately. But you have a piont if there is a mistake I need to do a better job of editing or people might mistake an Honest mistake with ineptitude if they are only reading and not actually experiencing.
It's got nothing to do with you, I suspect, just a general cluelessness on things Japanese in your organisation. You refer to your instructors as sensei this and sensei that, so right away you're using the honorific wrong. Further, o-sensei (not O'sensei) really isn't applicable to the guy you're talking about, it's a title peculiar to aikido and refers to one particular guy. I'm not inclined to correct any further mistakes because frankly I'd rather not help your organisation out any further than I have already.

26th August 2002, 16:59
Mr Rodriguez,

LOL....You posted:

"This is the swords forrum in a swords thread ask in another place stay in topic. Pardon if I am kurt with you!"

ROFLOL ....Snort

Struck a nerve did I? (By the way...I love your grammar!)

You brought up Joe Rebelo and said he was a historian so you made him on topic. If that simple rationale escapes you too @#$@ bad. The heats on you buddy. What was it Harry Truman said?

Actually, Why are you posting on a koryu section of e-budo. You're the one off topic pal. Take your modern qusiamerinihonninjasword-fu bovine scatology back to AOL where 10 years olds in black polyester outfits will think it's cool and not ask the hard questions. You could try the E-budo Gendai section but I promise the questions won't get any easier and the laughing will still be heard all over .

Simple answers are all that is requested by most here on e-budo. Convoluted smoke screens, pathetic pontification and desperate obfuscation won't work on most of the members here because many are too well read and knowlegable on the subject of hoplos. Now go get you a little dictionary and figure out what I just said. BTW...ever used a spell checker or is that beyond your comprehension as well?

With tongue in cheek,

WindDemon
27th August 2002, 00:56
Originally posted by gendzwil
it's a title peculiar to aikido and refers to one particular guy.
I believe that title (O-SENSEI ) has been used before Aikido and Way of the Winds and after by other organizations and schools correct me if I am wrong.

WindDemon
27th August 2002, 02:53
Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
ROFLOL ....Snort
(By the way...I love your grammar!)
My grammar?:rolleyes: keep an eye on it for me! Watch ROFLOL....snort. GROW UP!


Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
If that simple rationale escapes you too @#$@ bad. The heats on you buddy. What was it Harry Truman said?


Figures you would be a dip$#!T and get disrespectful!
You would like to take me off topic, when I would like to continue talking about the system. Simple enough to understand? I would like to continue in my path so I refer you to the source, so that I may continue my way. You get offensive and throw a hissy fit about something unrelated to the topic.You suddenly strike me as DENSE IN THE HEAD! I believe the only heat is in your head.
And the late Harry S Truman would have told you to go #$% yourself a while ago!
How is my grammar? Are you keeping track?! you might miss something important!


Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Actually, Why are you posting on a koryu section of e-budo.

Someone asked, I replied numbnuts! How is my spelling? Did I get that one right or should I use a bigger word?:D Run the spell checker on that one for me:D while I stirr you up another.


Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Simple answers are all that is requested
With tongue in cheek,

I gave you the simple answer, you are huffing and puffing, derailing the thread topic and demonstrating to the world how big of an @$$ you are:D Excuse me if my spelling and grammar are off, if not too FREKIN bad! Take your tongue in cheek and take a bite.

Anyway back to the topic.

WindDemon
27th August 2002, 03:08
Originally posted by gendzwil

I'm not inclined to correct any further mistakes

Thank you Gen!

Excuse me for forgetting to thank you for your help! I will do the proper investigating in this matter and make the apropriate adjustments in my own use of Japanese titles etc if need be!

gendzwil
27th August 2002, 04:48
Originally posted by WindDemon

correct me if I am wrong.
You're wrong. It's been misused by other pseudo-Japanese organisations like yours but I haven't seen it used by anybody legit (other than the aikido folks, and then only in reference to Ueshiba Morihei).

27th August 2002, 04:56
Mr Rodriguez,

Come on.... Tell us how old you really are. Your posts are priceless. It's been awhile since we've seen this level of hilarity on e-budo. ( Nathan and others, I won't say the p name......I promise!)

It's kinda like the Beverly Hillbillies. You aren't from Hicksville, NY are you ......I mean that would ice the cake.

LOL....As Meik Skoss commented once "ninja-kapoops with swords. Now that's dangerous!"

YuK Yuk Yuk....

Neil Yamamoto, channeling Toby Threadgill

P.S. Hey Neil, go channel this Rodriguez guy. Imagine....cross species channeling ...it'll be fun.

James Williams
27th August 2002, 19:28
Mr. Threadgill,

I think someone from e-budo put him up to it just so that all of us could enjoy the sting of your wit. "I would my sword was as sharp as your tongue...." tameshigiri would be much easier.

James

ScottUK
28th August 2002, 20:41
Dear Mr Rodriguez,

A serious question if I may - how is it possible to learn iai (or any other koryu art for that matter) for such a short period and then go on to teach the same art (in a different guise) to others?

I have practiced MA for about 16 years (since I was thirteen) and iai for only a few years. I wouldn't dream of becoming a teacher of this art after a few years of practice - it's just not right....

When I bought my first iaito, I did it knowing that iai was for me and that I pretty much am resigned to practice for the rest of my life. That is (I hope) a long time.... no-one plans that far ahead these days :D - maybe ten years from now, I'll teach, but until then (and after, I guess) I'll remain a student, not a Soke.

Respectfully (and a little confused),

Scott

Kendoguy9
29th August 2002, 22:15
hello all,

The only other time I have seen a legit. use of o-sensei has been in Ueshiba's own Daito-ryu kyoju dairi issued by Takeda dai-sensei. The translation used is the Sino-Japanese "dai" instead of the native "o" for some reason unknown to me. It may have been a translating choice as not to confuse anyone about o-sensei Ueshiba and o-sensei Takeda. You can see the kyoju dairi and the translation in Daito-ryu aikijujutsu interviews book by Stan Pranin. It is likely where Ueshiba got the "o-sensei" idea... from his teacher.

gambatte!!!

WindDemon
31st August 2002, 20:40
Originally posted by ScottUK
Dear Mr Rodriguez,

A serious question if I may - how is it possible to learn iai (or any other koryu art for that matter) for such a short period and then go on to teach the same art (in a different guise) to others?

Scott

That is a question I am not able to answer. Sorry, this would have to be directed to Febres himself. All I can input to that is that
for someone whom has begun his own version of "Iai" with such minimal enrolment time and such a high concentration in personal study and research, his students are very well trained and are dedicated.

gendzwil
31st August 2002, 21:31
Originally posted by WindDemon


That is a question I am not able to answer. Sorry, this would have to be directed to Febres himself. All I can input to that is that
for someone whom has begun his own version of "Iai" with such minimal enrolment time and such a high concentration in personal study and research, his students are very well trained and are dedicated.
How would you know that his students are well-trained? What possible reference point do you have to make such a statement?

WindDemon
1st September 2002, 00:43
Originally posted by gendzwil

How would you know that his students are well-trained? What possible reference point do you have to make such a statement?

I say this because when they compete their competition and the Judges tell them so. Instructors in the crowd walk up to them and do the same. There is an upcoming tour, called the tour of force where Nindo instructors tour the country and visit many dojo's . The Nindo guys usually do this to share with those whom wish to see what the Nindo is all about up close and personal. This is to liberate any doubt of what the Nindo does. The last one we did was a mini one up to Pembroke Canada. This next one will include many stops and we are thinking of heading up to Canada again so I will keep you posted and you can judge for yourself. This is all done in the spirit of Martial unity.

ScottUK
1st September 2002, 16:41
Originally posted by WindDemon
I say this because when they compete their competition and the Judges tell them so. Instructors in the crowd walk up to them and do the same.What competitions are these?

Scott

gendzwil
1st September 2002, 17:49
Originally posted by ScottUK
What competitions are these?

Scott
I'm guessing star-spangled uniforms and pounding techno beats are involved.

1st September 2002, 20:46
Agustin,

Competition.....Judges...That explains alot!

Neil posted:

"I'm guessing star-spangled uniforms and pounding techno beats are involved.:

Yeah, and a sprinkle of “Longo Imitaris"

:)

Toby Threadgill

pgsmith
3rd September 2002, 18:21
Mr. Rodriquez,
Were there several of these Nindo Ryu practitioners represented at the recent Toyama Ryu Tai Kai in Orlando? There were several fellows there doing kata that I didn't recognize at all, and when I asked one of them about it, he said it was a 'recently invented' art.

WindDemon
4th September 2002, 01:42
Originally posted by pgsmith
Mr. Rodriquez,
Were there several of these Nindo Ryu practitioners represented at the recent Toyama Ryu Tai Kai in Orlando? There were several fellows there doing kata that I didn't recognize at all, and when I asked one of them about it, he said it was a 'recently invented' art.

I do not know, I believe not but I maight be wrong. It depends on the date. I will ask for you. Nindo Ryu practitioners are easily identifiable. White top black hakama, no frills with the Nindo Ryu Kanji wich in this case would be black simbols instead of the black and gold in the image I have included. All if you ask will identify themselves immediately as NIndo Ryu practitioners.

Christian
20th October 2002, 18:42
i practice Nindo Ryu iaido

stevemcgee99
31st October 2002, 07:04
This stuff is great.
I invite Nindo Ryu to Santa Cruz, CA, for the MA demo during the Japanese Cultural Fair. I believe it's in June next year.
Steve McGee

Mekugi
11th December 2003, 09:39
The whole Nindo Ryu (http://www.navybase.net/gtmaa/Nindo_Ryu/nindo_ryu.htm)

Nsherrard
13th December 2003, 04:00
OOH, OOH, I want ninpo or nindo or ninco(mpoop) or what ever the hell to come to our dojo!! Please Please Please? I'm really serious , I want to see what this stuff is all about! I know if you pm me our sensei would love to have nindo come to our dojo! Let me know!

Nsherrard
13th December 2003, 04:07
I think I figured out what's going on here. This guy's French, and he's writing everything in french and then translating it with some faulty software translator. That sure would explain alot. You know, I've been thinking of visiting some dojo's [sic] on my Perambulation of Doom. Just to show you all what I'm really all about. Any takers?

Shimura
13th December 2003, 15:29
ooh, where can I get camo tabi, hehehe:D

sunny
15th December 2003, 07:38
i too would love a pair of of those camo tabi, that would be just great!
then i could 'blend in' at the dojo and my sensei wouldnt notice my terrible technique!:D

oh, and camo hakama!
(now ive said that im sure someone will post a pic to prove they exist...)
:eek:
best regards,
sunny prosser