Judging A Ko Budo

[Jerry Johnson]

First off, I think Mr. Threadgill is incorrect what he said in the other thread. I think he has a self-interest in saying what he did as he has a similar high or equivalent rank. That is he is protecting his own. Birds on high wires are easy targets. Therefore I disagree.


I also may take this to the members lounge for more responses.


This is a real interesting statement which I think apart from the original thread it came from. It brings up an important issue which I would like to comment on.


(A ) "if ko-budo is being advertised at a school, that dojo has the responsibility to teach that.

I agree. But what if it isn't being advertized? That is if an instructor says this is ko-budo in the general term as jujitsu is sometimes used. An instructor who does want to keep the name secret, and doesn't provide the names of the techinques etc. Where is the foul? I mean there is an old Japanese saying a bird of prey doesn't show it's claws- I stole this from a text book :o ! I know many instructors of a legit traditional te-ryu (sp?) which still subscribes to keep their practice and art secrect do to WWII ban on practicing martial arts in Japan. They don't tell anyone the name of the techniques much less outsiders and students they don't trust any info on the art such as licesnes etc. The instructor(s) are all Japanese.



(B ) "Additionally, a request by students or sincere visitors to view the name of the ryuha, lineage and licenses (or at least copies) is not unreasonable."

I agree it is not unreasonable, but does it have to be required that the documentation be shown? Can an instructor refuse such a request without being thought of automatically as a fraud. Is this a matter of privacy? The documentation is awarded to a person and it is their private property which they do have the right to keep it private.


And what about the web, just because something is on the web does it make it legit. We all know the great amount of information on the web is misinformation. Again should we require people to make their private information public? This is in terms of a school being private.

When I went to school I never asked ( maybe I should have :) ) my teachers or instructors to show me their credentials to teach. I went to both private and public schools. And if I asked would it be seen as a reasonable request? BTW, I don't even ask my Boss ( and maybe we all should) if they have the credentials to be a Boss!: eek: Seriously, we are taking about martial arts, and not the field of brain surgery. I agree in the martial arts there is an investment both with money, time, life-style and emotional but it is no different that playing on a non-professional recreational sports league. I think we need to be more concerned about our car mechanic, am I wrong? Are we taking martial arts far too seriously?

Just food for thought. Any comments?

[Tatsuko]

I mentioned this to Mr. Johnson in a private message, but he said he wanted me to mention it in the actual thread, so I guess I will. :)



An instructor who does want to keep the name secret, and doesn't provide the names of the techinques etc. Where is the foul? I mean there is an old Japanese saying a bird of prey doesn't show it's claws- I stole this from a text book!


The actual saying is ?u”\‚ ‚é‘é‚Í’Ü‚ð‰B‚·?v(Nouaru taka wa tsume wo kakusu), which literally means "The skillful hawk will hide its claws." The meaning is the same as Mr. Johnson implies though: One who is truly skilled will not have to boast of those skills. He will not need to flaunt it.

Just additional food for thought. :smilejapa

Sincerely,
Amy Forsyth

P.S.: I also mentioned that I liked Mr. Johnson's signature quote: "Every step you take should be a prayer. And if every step you take is a prayer, then you will always be walking in a sacred manner." (From an American Indian, I believe). I noticed it the other day, and mentioned it to a friend of mine who is practicing Shintou-Ryuu, and it developed into quite a nice discussion on the martial arts, kata, and prayer. :) But that's a totally different topic...

[Jerry Johnson]

Thank you Amy for posting your private email to me here. I thank you for emailing me the adage in its proper form and then posting it here for me, one which I fouled up. That was very kind of you. :)

And yes the quote in my sig line is a quote from my heritage, though not directly associated with my tribe's ancestry.

I am very glad you had a nice discussion with your friend as a result of the sig line. :)

Mr Johnson,

You stated:

"First off, I think Mr. Threadgill is incorrect what he said in the other thread. I think he has a self-interest in saying what he did as he has a similar high or equivalent rank. That is he is protecting his own. Birds on high wires are easy targets. Therefore I disagree."

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For the life of me I cannot figure out what your point is or what you are disagreeing with. Please provide exact quotes and clear responses so we can figure out exactly what you're talking about.

You first appear to say that I have gone around bragging about a questionable license on public forums and am attempting to convince people of its authenticity. ( BTW..I challenge you to provide one example of me doing this!) Now you appear to say that I do indeed have this rank and am biased because of it. Biased about what? Biased because my position is that a guy making claims he cannot or will not support with facts should be scrutinized carefully. That this behavior is indeed very odd within established koryu schools? Is that what you disagree with? Is that what I am biased about? If it is, well, hell yes. I am biased towards truth and openess instead of secrecy and obfuscation.

I have a series of questions I would like you to answer.

What experience or qualifications do you have to even offer an opinion on this subject?

Have you studied any classically based martial discipline or koryu? ..... beyond a basic level? ..... with who?

_________________________________

Also please provide an example of a post by me as you describe here.....

"But he (Mr Threadgill) has claims to have a license that is similar high or equivalent to the Sensei in question. Which he have been very active and went to lenghts in letting the martial arts community about his accolade, or rather convincing us of us of the validity of it's credibility."

If you cannot, will you publicly apologize for making such an inaccurate and damaging statement?

Awaiting your reply and gentlemans apology.

[Jerry Johnson]

The first part about Mr. Threadgill in the post that started the thread was not intended to be a part of the thread. It was intended for another post in a different thread. So what you have is two different posts as one post. My bad. Sh!t happens. No one is perfect. Opps....etc. Can't fix it now we just have to live with it. My bad.

Sincerely,

[Chuck Clark]

Toby,

Have you ever had a gnat buzzing around you and it occupied your attention to a degree that was annoying? I'm sure we all have. Remember what happens when you ignore the pest and he seems to disappear from your conciousness until he lands and ... then you just squash him. Problem over.

Regards,

[Jerry Johnson]

Originally posted by Chuck Clark
Toby,

Have you ever had a gnat buzzing around you and it occupied your attention to a degree that was annoying? I'm sure we all have. Remember what happens when you ignore the pest and he seems to disappear from your conciousness until he lands and ... then you just squash him. Problem over.

Regards,

Hey Chuck,

ever had that problem when someone you don't know just criticizes you for no apparent reason other then they have nothing else to do in life then kiss someone else’s hind end, you know for association recognition. A person that is more concerned about their own ego and whose butt they are going to place their lips on. You know the fans who associate with people they think are important to gain some type of association benefit from. Because they lack the talent or skill they think they should have so to make up for it and the lack of recognition they dim-wittingly chiming in. Thus by doing so this tells the person they admire that they will unconditionally even at their own expense willing to kiss ass to be buddies. Much the same way as a parasite in a symbotic relationship. Ya ever run into one of those guys...ChucK...? I find these people more annoying.

Now Chuch I would be glad to hear your thoughts on the A and B parts of the thread as you have taken us into serious thread drift.

[Chuck Clark]

BZZZZZZZZZ....

Jerry

Lets distill this your convoluted reasoning to the basic facts shall we.

In response to a report like this from Anderw Turner who visited said dojo:

“The senior student there has been practicing for about ten years and still doesn't know the names of the koryu from which he is learning.”

The head teacher is not particularly interested in his dojo and from the words of the senior student, "It is only a hobby for sensei, so he leaves it all up to me."

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I responded like this:

This sounds so fishy I can't believe it. The whole premise is ridiculous. Take your shoes and hit the door. A legit Nihon koryu dojo would not operate in this fashion, end of story.

Generally, when someone is trying to keep something like their lineage secret, the secret is that their claims are bogus.

Buyer beware."

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You respond like this:

would say the above post is rude behavior and poor form. clearly not a post to be a benchmark of a seasoned and well trained martial artist who speaks as an authority on all of Koryu. Fortunately, the above post doesn't speak for all of us who train in a Koryu-thank God.

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I disagree. I stand behind my opinion and my words. I also publicly and unflinchingly will provide the facts to verify my qualifications. Interestingly you have not answered questions concerning your qualificatiion to even comment on this subject. You have attacked and criticised others including well seasoned and experienced practitioners of koryu who disagree with you. When pressed to back up you position you digress into "ad hominem" attacks and innuendo instead of “staying on topic” as you call it.

Fortunately you have done this for everyone here to see and read for themselves. And talking about rude, I found your response to Sensei Chuck Clark an especially illuminating window into your personality. Considering Chucks his extensive experience in classical Nihon budo you should walk a little more carefully pal. I seriously doubt you have the courage or the balls to spout your mouth off like this in person to Chuck, myself or many others posting on e-budo. BTW, If you’d like to come call me Tob’s in my own dojo, my address is easily obtained. Please drop by anytime. It’ll be fun.

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And for the last time I ask.

How long have you trained and in what arts.

Who is your sensei.


If you do not respond to these questions I guess like so many others, your supposed sacred walk is just ......kuchi waza....from another faceless net pontificator buzzz buzzz buzzing.


Toby Threadgill


P.S. Chuck, Buzzzzzz Buzzzzzz Bye Bye

[Ron Tisdale]

Hello Mr. Threadgill,

Does this mean I can now go "bzzz bzzz" instead of "p p p p"?

Ron :)

[Nathan Scott]

Mr. Johnson,

I've followed all the posts that have led up to this thread, and I for one don't see what your problem with Toby is. Toby was "roasted" over his last promotion by others, not at his own request.

I'd like to know - specifically- why you are attacking Toby publicly. If you don't have a valid complaint, then take your own biased opinions offline.

Regards,

[George Kohler]

Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
BTW, If you’d like to come call me Tob’s in my own dojo, my address is easily obtained. Please drop by anytime. It’ll be fun.

Hello Mr. Threadgill,

As I see it, I don't think he would have much of a problem to come up and see you since he does live in the same state. It is only 4 to 4 1/2 hours, depending on the speed he travels, from where he lives. Hopefully, you haven't moved to Colorado yet.

[Walker]

The senior student there has been practicing for about ten years and still doesn't know the names of the koryu from which he is learning.

The head teacher is not particularly interested in his dojo and from the words of the senior student, "It is only a hobby for sensei, so he leaves it all up to me.

Wait a minute!!! That’s not a sensei... it’s Neil Yamamoto in disguise!!!!!!!!!!

:D

[Jerry Johnson]

That what the song says,

Love hurts.... :moon:


AM KIDDING! take a deep breath, stand back from your keyboards, exhale and think Buddha....reciting..."I just doesn't matter...It just...doesn't matter....." Smile and go one with your life because we live on a big blue marble literally in the middle of freaking nowhere.


As important as reputations are in the martial arts, we should think longer and harder when we can't turn the other cheek. We shouldn't point to a tooth pick in someone else’s eye when we have a lumber yard in ours. A sign of a great martial artist is humility, genuine humility. Kindness, and reserve. Which truly can't be achieved my a belt rank or accolade, title, etc. The signs of a great martial artist isn't easy achieved, like the old Zen saying which donates the difficulty and rarity of achievement; you can't drown a gourd. Which is true, you push it down in the water and it pops right back up. I guess the modern day equaling is you can't drown a bobber. Point being, we can all talk. We can all puff our chests out and let our words impress others. But the true mark of a serious martial arts is going beyond the norm and exercising discipline. As Nitobe the author of "Bushido" he explains this among other things via his mention of the purpose of the tea ceremony. A discipline mind is a terrible thing to waste. Exercising control in the face of criticism is admirable. Something I test and found no validity to support. This is how I test the mantle of a martial artist. It is too easy to be deceived my words. It is greater to be convinced by actions.

Aw, what the hell... Sh!t Happens, I don't give a damn. Life goes on as we pay taxes and then we die.

[Jerry Johnson]

With this said, I a have the greatest amount of respect for one man here that is known my all. His temperment is keen, and he doesn't miss a beat. He is, worth training under and does his right by his art. Which is clearly admirable. He really soars despite being around all of us turkeys. :toast:

There are others as well, but they are lesser know.

[Don Cunningham]

I have always suspected that Jerry is really Rod. I know both are in Texas, too.

[Jerry Johnson]

Originally posted by Don Cunningham
I have always suspected that Jerry is really Rod. I know both are in Texas, too.

But, who is I to correct the "Professor's" English.....

I think it would be better if you wrote; I suspect that Jerry and Rod are the same person. Jerry also seems to be in Texas.



Don, It's good to see you, sweetheart.

Don replies, You contemptible pig. I remained celebate for you. I stood at the back of a cathedral, waiting in celibacy for you, with 300 friends and relatives in attendance. My uncle hired the best Romanian caterer in the state. To obtain the seven limousines for the wedding party my father used up his last favours with 'Mad' Pete Trollo. So for me, for my mother, my grandmother, my father, my uncle, and for the common good, I must now kill you.


Oh please don't kill [me]! Please, please don't kill [me]. You know I love ya baby, I wouldn't leave ya. It wasn't my fault.

Don says, You miserable slug. You think you can talk you're way out of this? You betrayed me.

No I didn't. Honest [don] I ran outta gas. I had a flat tyre. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from outta town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locust's. It wasn't my fault, I swear to God!

http://www.nederpoparchief.nl/bluesbrothers/script_43.jpg




Don says, Oh Jer. Jer, honey.


(I took Don in an embraces and kisses him passionately. Then I look around and drop him in the mud.)

[Something TOO ugly to show]


(Don follows me out of the sewer and stands there and lets loose)

http://www.nederpoparchief.nl/bluesbrothers/script_41.jpg

(I make a brake for my car and barely get in)

My partner says, It's a 106 miles to Chicago. We got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.


And I calmly say with coolness...Hit it!



Don, I am your Elmer Fudd, to your Wrabbit. I am the King of Porn to your Professorship. I am your Homer to your Barney. And by GOD I believe in the EASTER BUNNY and Fair Justice to all people, I am the Statue of Liberty! Sorry got a bit carried away with myself. It's easy to do here.


Please feel free to correct my English, I really need a Professor to proof read, as I only want the best, Dang y'all Sponge BoB, I can't find my primer" [sponge DOn screams] "....Jeeerrrryyyy!"



Just kidding it. It's not serious.

[Jerry Johnson]

Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
Jerry

Lets distill this your convoluted reasoning to the basic facts shall we.

In response to a report like this from Anderw Turner who visited said dojo:

“The senior student there has been practicing for about ten years and still doesn't know the names of the koryu from which he is learning.”

The head teacher is not particularly interested in his dojo and from the words of the senior student, "It is only a hobby for sensei, so he leaves it all up to me."

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I responded like this:

This sounds so fishy I can't believe it. The whole premise is ridiculous. Take your shoes and hit the door. A legit Nihon koryu dojo would not operate in this fashion, end of story.

Generally, when someone is trying to keep something like their lineage secret, the secret is that their claims are bogus.

Buyer beware."

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You respond like this:

would say the above post is rude behavior and poor form. clearly not a post to be a benchmark of a seasoned and well trained martial artist who speaks as an authority on all of Koryu. Fortunately, the above post doesn't speak for all of us who train in a Koryu-thank God.

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I disagree. I stand behind my opinion and my words. I also publicly and unflinchingly will provide the facts to verify my qualifications. Interestingly you have not answered questions concerning your qualificatiion to even comment on this subject. You have attacked and criticised others including well seasoned and experienced practitioners of koryu who disagree with you. When pressed to back up you position you digress into "ad hominem" attacks and innuendo instead of “staying on topic” as you call it.

Fortunately you have done this for everyone here to see and read for themselves. And talking about rude, I found your response to Sensei Chuck Clark an especially illuminating window into your personality. Considering Chucks his extensive experience in classical Nihon budo you should walk a little more carefully pal. I seriously doubt you have the courage or the balls to spout your mouth off like this in person to Chuck, myself or many others posting on e-budo. BTW, If you’d like to come call me Tob’s in my own dojo, my address is easily obtained. Please drop by anytime. It’ll be fun.

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And for the last time I ask.

How long have you trained and in what arts.

Who is your sensei.


If you do not respond to these questions I guess like so many others, your supposed sacred walk is just ......kuchi waza....from another faceless net pontificator buzzz buzzz buzzing.


Toby Threadgill


P.S. Chuck, Buzzzzzz Buzzzzzz Bye Bye

Ok, I'll bite,

you if you are serious about a discussion per this post then why the above comment related to P.S. to Chuck? Are you afraid of criticisms, or you just don't deal with it well. You can email me privately if you wish to answer.

I am responding ( now that your posse is on a break, since the issue is between me and you and not them, but that is human nature) because I am a fair man. If I am going to criticize a person I will get an explanation ( which I already have, but maybe I need to say it another way, I am not beyond doing so.)

As you state,

In response to a report like this from Anderw Turner who visited said dojo:

“The senior student there has been practicing for about ten years and still doesn't know the names of the koryu from which he is learning.”

The head teacher is not particularly interested in his dojo and from the words of the senior student, "It is only a hobby for sensei, so he leaves it all up to me."


We all we have is Anderw's opinion. Which is not in question. I am not saying it is invalid either. Have you considered that we know nothing of this senior student, the person that Andrew met could, for kicks and giggles, be there to discourage people who are not serious students. This also could be true for the statement of the head teacher not being interested... Also it is my understanding due to a recent business trip to Japan that the Japanese see martial arts as a hobby, and often like all the business is left to a senior student. That is such an arrangement isn't a red flag. What is the Japanese term for a senior student to run the dojo.

The only question I have from these comments is the seriousness of the tradition in the dojo. Which clearly isn't a point to dicker about. As that is up to the Sensei and the students. It is not of my concern unless I wish to study. This isn't anyone's business except theirs.

Now, you didn't like my comments a bit, base on your comments of this sensei, and I am sure your comments on this Sensei equally upset others as well.

It is easy to judge and more difficult to apologize. I can say from your comment about the Sensei etc that you are an arrogant egotistical jerk that has no understanding of martial arts posture. By making snap judgements based on a snipped of information that isn't really a major concern but might be more of misunderstanding is irresponsible. We all are taught to get the facts and not assume. Therefore, to make a comment neg. or pos. without visiting the dojo, training in the dojo, and getting a good feel for the dojo is just irresponsible and unfair in your comments. Such comments affect innocent people and can effect unfairly a Sensei, the dojo, and the people who train. Wouldn't behoove us to get the facts, before we make a judgement, how that judgement may effect others, and are we really qualified to make a judgement- that is going to the dojo, etc as previously stated above.

The internet can be a great tool and also a dangerous one. Without realizing the power of the internet and we are making a damaging judgement thousands of miles away. Valid or not, I think this is a bit irresponsible. Yes, I was irresponsible, in my comments about you ( which I pulled out of my barn yard animal; my ass) caused an up roar here. and I was just making a point on how an ill-informed judgement can have an effect. Look what happen, with just me. I am a nobody. But yet, my comments concerned you and your friends enough to come to your defense. Imagine if I was somebody, like yourself. Maybe your credibility ( regardless of the truth) would be flushed down the toilet for good. No one is perfect which leads me to a Joe Svinth comment.

Joe Svinth said something I agree on, and it was something like, if you like your Sensei train with him. I think he was refering to credibility issue. I also say that real martial arts experts are rare. Not everyone can train with a real expert. Martial arts really is a hobby for most of us. If someone wants to make it a profession and not a hobby join then they need to join the armed services. Other then that we are hobbyists, am I correct?

NOw if you feel the need to badger this further, that is my comments above, and feel justified to continue to be defensive fine. I understand. But keep in mind then I will be willing to bet you are unable to admit you might have made an error you are not willing to admit to. Which only would prove my hypothetical assumption of you being a jerk etc. All I ask is to think about it. But you don't have. It is no skin off my nose either way. what is your next step is up to you. As I have sincerely explained my actions and done so without malice. My intent was to call you on something as an example. You may not like that, just as much as your comments may not have been liked by the Sensei and dojo in question.

This whole situation could be a misunderstand, as people, including myself, are thousands of miles away, talking about something we know nothing or little of.

I am not totally convinced either way that this evaluation of a Sensei and a dojo is something that is beneficial to the whole of the martial arts world. This Sensei could be misleading but have a good reason for it. He could be misleading because he isn't sincere. Or he could be a victim of a disgruntled and jaded senior student. I don't know, and if I ever do, I don't think it is my place to say anything. I like to stick with Pascal's wager in a sense. It is better to think of the good then to be wrong. Egg stained face is hard to clean. I prefer not to give an opinion on such matters as this Oz Sensei.

For those other involved may I make a suggestion ,there is a fine martial artist who posted to me on this subject of this Sensei, though I have never met him or seen him in action, and I would model my responses on such subjects after him. And I think we know who this top ranking person is.

:toast:

P.S. my sig line means just that Mr. Threadgill. That we have to be conscious of our judgements and the actions that they invoke and the result. It is a saying that has often been misunderstood.

You are welcome to PM me.
Cheers.

[Iron Clad Brute]

Mr Johnson,

You've got some people upset, why don't you apologise for your strange behaviour, take a deep breath, and post a clean sensible post that isn't offensive to others? I think I see your point, but you have to try to make it more concise and be a little more diplomatic in expressing your opinion.

You said earlier, "my understanding due to a recent business trip to Japan that the Japanese see martial arts as a hobby."

Mr Johnson, in all my years I have NEVER seen this in Japan. Perhaps you refer to the gendai martial arts such as Kendo, Aikido, Karate, and Judo? This is a koryu forum, so I think that we are discussing koryu here. Even then I have NEVER seen the hobbyist approach that you clame to have seen in the gendai arts either; including the arts of Sado, Ikebana, Shodo.

Your business trip was for how long? You visited how many dojo? You spoke (you can speak Japanese?) to how many teachers?

It's not a far assumption if you spoke to only young students for obvious reasons. As Mr Scott said in the other thread, koryu teachers are proud of their traditions.

Some of my Japanese family, who are practicing martial artists, are offended by your statement. That they would treat their traditions, their very heritage, as mere hobbies is hurtful.

Hobby = favourite pastime; for pleasure.

Nope, sorry, this IS NOT what the Japanese budo are about.

I suggest you look deeper into Japanese budo. People who practice budo as hobbies are usaully those who practice the sporting elements such as tournament Karate. I'm sure though that the Karate people would be upset at my statement.

What budo do you practice Mr Johnson? I'm sure you don't see it as a hobby?

[Don Cunningham]

While I agree with Mr. Johnson's criticism of my English, I am more convinced than ever that Jerry Johnson is simply Rod's alter ego. I have a private videotaped interview with Rod done by a couple of visitors from England. It's uncanny how Jerry's ramblings are exactly the same as Rod's on that tape. He also seems to go through the same changes, from seemingly sane, rational comments to incoherent diatribes against whatever was on his mind at the time. I'm nearly positive these were both made by the same person.

[CEB]

What budo has Jerry Johnson studied ?

Who is Jerry Johnson's Sensei ?

[Neil Yamamoto]

edited but to be reposted with corrections.

Originally posted by Jerry Johnson
................Also it is my understanding due to a recent business trip to Japan that the Japanese see martial arts as a hobby........


Well hell J.J. I didn't know you come to Japan sometimes.
Why didn't you drop us a PM and say so................be good to put a face to a name.
Ya'll make sure you let us know when your planin' on droppin' in next time....ya hear.

[Jerry Johnson]

I'd like to welcome everyone who just joined us of late. Nice to see you all again, have a seat, and I hope you enjoy the ride.
But before the festivities start I would like to turn your attention to the mirror in front of you, that is if you dare. I hope you see a reflection, if not then your in trouble.

Cheers.

:)

[Jerry Johnson]

Originally posted by Don Cunningham
While I agree with Mr. Johnson's criticism of my English, I am more convinced than ever that Jerry Johnson is simply Rod's alter ego. I have a private videotaped interview with Rod done by a couple of visitors from England. It's uncanny how Jerry's ramblings are exactly the same as Rod's on that tape. He also seems to go through the same changes, from seemingly sane, rational comments to incoherent diatribes against whatever was on his mind at the time. I'm nearly positive these were both made by the same person.

Hey Don nice to hear from you again. Your always so entertaining. YOu did't like the parody? I thought it was fun. Don't you have a sense of humor? I am come on, we do the same thing. The difference is I got the cha cha's to stay yell foul! No insult intended. You got cha cha's too, I think? You get death threats...right. Your taking on a whole ninja organization. I am just wacking the toes of some, well more like pointing to the egg on their face. I am standing up for what I think is right. My slogan is "stop the flushing."

But hey, your the Godfather and go where no man has gone before, you are the Rabbit!

when you threow the kudos my way about my English, I was touched. Now if they would let me out of prision I would kiss you.

[Jerry Johnson]

Originally posted by Yobina
Mr Johnson,

You have definately convinced me, you are a nut case.

Every forum has a clown, and you're it.

Ya, so...what is your point ? :confused:

Originally posted by Jerry Johnson
I'd like to welcome everyone who just joined us of late. Nice to see you all again, have a seat, and I hope you enjoy the ride.
But before the festivities start I would like to turn your attention to the mirror in front of you, that is if you dare. I hope you see a reflection, if not then your in trouble.

Cheers.

:)


Uh??? Sorry don't understand what that is about.

Anyway, Ya'll don't forget to let us know next time when your coming over to this side of the pond.

[Soulend]

Well, just found out that Mr. Threadgill had Mr. Lindsey delete his account here at e-budo. One less knowledgeable person to try to learn from.

[Neil Yamamoto]

I stayed out of this until now, but I went ahead and read the whole thread and I’ve come to the conclusion that ACK...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that Neil is no longer in control of his keyboard, and I have possession of his mind and keyboard (We all know Neil has no soul or it’s already been sold), I shall use him to state my position on this matter and my last post on e-budo. Isn’t channeling cool?

Star Wars 3 / Return of the poop.

Long ago, In the e-budo galaxy was the great “Poop Jihad” In episodes 1 & 2, the e-budo galaxy saw the rise and fall of an evil stench now known as “Hawrezz” the Poopie. E-Budo’s warror knights were eventually so sick of the stench of poopie and his sligs of irrational poopification that e-budo was almost uninhabitable.

Many of e-budo’s finest therefore elected to migrate to other alternate universes rather than resist further poopie stupidity. Lost at great cost from the e-budo galaxy due to the stench were wise and knowlegable conrtibutors such as Earl the Hartman. Eventually to receive a slig of stoop-poop was Nathan the just. That was just too much for the warrior knights of e-budo, so to counter the threat of e-budo’s galactic poopification, this small core of valiant warriors made war on the poopie. His true identity was unmasked (wink, wink) as was the fact that he was without any qualifications to spew his poop. Eventually Hawrezz the Poopie, dazed from battle, was cast out of the known e-budo galaxy by e-budo’s god/creator “Lord Lindsey” and peace returned to the e-budo universe.

However, the war took its toll on e-budo because many great contributors never returned. You see, the stench although subsided, left a stain in the memory of some of the faithful and compromised forever, those once inspiring levels of quality discussion within the e-budo galaxy.

It is galaxy e-budo, now in the present. And like all evil stenches, they never die. They just go somewhere else and regroup their stenchiness. It appears that after the physical expulsion of Hawrezz the Poopie, his poop spirit lay dormant, floating about the greater universe strengthening. Unfortunately the spirit of poopie has returned in a different form and from this point on will be recognized as “Jerry the Pooh” (In Latin “Longo Imitaris, foetorem extremae latrinae ).

Jerry the Pooh bears amazing similarities to Hawrezz the Poopie. Like Hawrezz the Poopie:

Jerry the Pooh refuses to answer questions about what art he studies. Jerry the Pooh refuses to answer questions about his duration of study.
Jerry the Pooh refuses to answer questions about the dojo he trains in. Jerry the Pooh refuses to name his instructor.
Jerry the Pooh cannot debate a subject on available facts.

Being even more vile than Hawrezz the Poopie:

Jerry the Pooh blatantly misrepresents the truth and is therefore.... a liar.

Jerry the Pooh slanders people by attributing words and deeds to them falsely.

When confronted with facts to contradict his convoluted opinions, Jerry the Pooh resorts to “ad hominem” attacks or claims the thread is “off topic”. This is just a pitiful attempt to avoid the facts and extricate himself from an apology. Unlike the old original poopmeister who was at least educated in the task of coordinating a communication device with his meager mental processes, “Jerry the Pooh” can hardly write a cohesive sentence.

From these traits we can make some pretty interesting conclusions. Jerry the Pooh like Hawrezz the Poopie is probably a neophite martial wannabe mentally masquerading as someone possessing intimate wisdom & knowledge. (Big talk, little delivery)

Jerry the Pooh doesn’t grasp with any depth any genuine koryu or related arts. Jerry the Pooh’s criteria for evaluating an art of study is seriously warped. Jerry the Pooh enjoys attacking people via the internet because he has no fear of getting this teeth knocked out. Jerry the Pooh never studied a physical “martial” art where contact was used as a form of discipline. Jerry the pooh has never been in a real fight in his life and therefore has no accurate concept of what “martial” means. Jerry the Pooh probably didn’t graduate near the top of his class in english. Considering the available evidence, it appears “Jerry the Pooh” is simply an uneducated liar & a coward.

So to the e-budo faithful I say, the galaxy is in disarray, the lord is not overseeing his domain and Like Earl the great, I therefore take my leave while passing on this poem.


“Jerry, the “Persimmon Wind” pooh”
Although some think me a polyglot I can assure you that I am not.
My occasional use of Latin and Greek means it is hearty laughs I seek.
I believe that this we all in fact do share.
This cultivation of laughs filling the air.
Although in Jerry’s case it is most observedly now plain
His doltish behavior means his minds gone lame.
Perhaps this condition is nothing so new as I and some others originally thought to be true.
I now know the affliction that poisions his pen means that to satirize him further just might be a sin.
So Jerry, continue on with your persimmon wind oriface To the sagacious of e-budo, you’re just a silly stench that bores us.

And.... If Jerry the Pooh, ever sets foot in my galaxy, we’ll find out what kind of Poop he’s really made of. I venture its Chicken Poop.

Toby “Using Neil like a kleenex, he’s been used and disposed of” Threadgill

Hunh? Oh damn, taken control of again. Well, Toby pretty much summed up how I feel too, I put old Jerry on my ignore list a while ago. So if I’m assaulted by the wit that is Jerry, I could care less, I won’t even see it.

A while back I posted a thread about who’s on your ignore list. I was serious about making use of the feature. So, it this makes me go on anyone’s ignore list, well, that’s just too bad for me but it means people have learned to make use of the features available to make e-budo a better place.

Oh Toby, we hardly knew ye! I feel just like I did when I read the final Bloom County comic.

[Walker]

Geez Toby, you coulda just quit reading the drivel...

Just remember reality is for those who can’t handle hard drugs and the internet.

The Cambodian Boys Choir is lined up and waving, “OK, bye bye. OK, bye bye. OK.... bye bye.”

[Ronnie Nakamura]

Hello,

Yamamoto-san, dude. I'm laughing my butt off here. Really!

I seem to remember someone unsuccessfully trying to match wits with you a long time ago, It was a slaughter of comic proportions. You crack me up.

Jerry the pooh...... dude, you are so far out of your league. What a doofus!

BTW the Latin was great. Let me translate for Yamamoto-san....


“Longo Imitaris, foetorem extremae latrinae

("Trying to be one of importance you are the stench from a low class toilet .)

:laugh:

Ronnie Nakamura

[Tom Christy]

Mr. Yamamoto,

You missed your calling in life! If satire had a grading system, you'd surely have menkyo.

Mr. Johnson,

Congratulations! You can now join the exhalted ranks of the "know-nothings" responsible for driving senior koryu practitioners off of this board. While I doubt you'll understand the point, many of us come here to learn something from individuals like Mr. Threadgill. I certainly didn't become a member so that I could listen to the English language being tortured by someone who has so little clue about things budo (hint, hint). Unfortunately, you are not the first linguistically (and logically) challenged individual who has irritated people far more knowledgable into seeking other venues. In addition to the yahoo already mentioned above, I remember the attacks made by a kyu-grade ninja wannabe against Meik Skoss that was the precursor to Mr. Skoss' departure. Count your blessings that the electronic nature of this medium keeps people like Mr. Threadgill from expanding your knowledge in a direct (and painful) manner.

Tom Christy

[gmellis]

Now that Neil of the clan McYamamoto mentions it, it HAS been a while since any quality posts from respectable Koryu'ers like Duke Earl of Hartman were seen on this forum. There goes the educational content (bows head in mourning)...............so how bout them Seattle Mariners!!! But in all seriousness. Tis a shame. The brain drain only hurts those of us still using the forum as a source of information (and pointless banter).

Yep Greg, you said it. Tis a shame indeed.
First Mr. Skoss with 20+ years of living and training in Koryu in Japan. Then Mr. Threadgill.


Regards,
Robert "McRouss"elot

[Neil Yamamoto]

Sorry guys, I can't take credit for the post, it really was Toby who wrote most of the text.

From "Star Wars 3 / Return of the poop" to where he signs off, and the paragraph begins with "Hunh?" is Toby.

He asked John to remove his account and then asked me to post this for him. A bit harsh, but my opinion is about the same as Toby's.

[George Kohler]

Originally posted by Tom Christy
I remember the attacks made by a kyu-grade ninja wannabe against Meik Skoss that was the precursor to Mr. Skoss' departure. I thought Mr. Skoss' last posting days were around the time he told Don Cunningham, "Give it a rest, already." This was when Don C. was attacking a Joe Kras and the Budo Symposium.

[pgsmith]

I guess there will always be those that try everyone's patience. I'm really sorry to lose Mr. Threadgill's insights though.

[Nathan Scott]

In all seriousness, John has been pretty frustrated recently with the content level and atmosphere at e-budo, and we've all been discussing the purpose of e-budo and ways of reducing negative posts and rude/pointless banter. There are other forums that welcome this, and e-budo does not have to be like every other forum on the net.

We could all help e-budo a lot by moderating ourselves a bit and using dojo etiquette. Let's lay off on slamming everyone and their dog for a while. If what you want to contribute is NOT a good question or a good answer, consider keeping it off-list or in the members lounge.

How about we think a bit more about quality rather than quantity?

Looking forward to a better atmosphere,

[Tom Christy]

Mr. Kohler,

Thank you for the correction. I simply recall one particularly industrious poster here on E-Budo starting an unnecessarily harsh tirade against Mr. Skoss right around the time of his departure. In light of the equally ridiculous attack on the individuals at the Budo Symposium, I guess that it would be more accurate to say that Mr. Skoss probably got fed up with multiple examples of the same disrespectful behavior.

Tom Christy