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kelcca
7th March 2003, 14:33
Hi all, I am new to the forum and new also to Chito Ryu Karate and Aikido. I have been doing both for about 4 months. My training in the past was boxing and thai boxing in B.C, Canada. I now live in NF and have taken up Chito Ryu /Aikido because there is no Thai here also i wanted somthing new and Aikido has always interested me. Here is my problem, haveing trained in the boxing arts I find Karate/Aikido very slow, I love the art but I am allways wondering in my head if it has any real fighting value. Sorry if that comes across mean but its very hard to go from Thai to katas and rolls??:D

Amphinon
7th March 2003, 15:07
Welcome to E-Budo!

Sochin
7th March 2003, 15:24
Welcome here, kelcca,

There's a list of rules at the bottom of each page you should familiarize yourself with...

Art is often done for its own sake. An amature ballet practioner cannot do their ballet at a house party or in a club, but that doesn't mean they should quit!

All martial arts have some practicality and some 'artistic' expression that is impractical. If you want to fight in the ring, traditional styles may not be as good as eclectic.

Perhaps you will need to start your own muai tai practice club?

kusanku
8th March 2003, 01:55
Bit O' Common Sense:

If you want to fight in the ring, competition style, train for that with styles and sports that do that.

If you want to learn martial arts, pick the type you want and train in those, but they have a large health component and also teach many skills that take long times to learn.

If you want fast self defense that works immediately, Krav Maga or some other CQC type thing is what you want.

No use complaining if swimming doesn't teach you boat rowing.They both deal with water, and that's about it.

Each art, if you look,will or should have a statement of purpose in it.Aikido depends on its stated purpose in each school. Some schools have almost nothing to do with self defense or any type of fighting, anymore, and say so.Karate depends on style, school, teacher and student.It has as much in common with Muay Thai as it does with boxing, that is to say, very little. Some will say this means karate and Aikido do not deal with reality, or with reality of combat-but this depends on perception. Karate in actual self defense can be very effective as can Aikido, but self defense is not a sporting competition.So can some sport combative arts be effectively used in self defense, but again it must be reiterated, they are three separate things: art, sport and defense.

The arts may combine all three or any two aspects, but they are yet separate things.I have seen aikido people defend themselves from attack quite efficiently by stepping out of the way of the attacker with perfect timing, leaving the attacker stumbling after thin air.I have sen Aiki people wristlock an attacker and pin them up against a wall, in fact on a documentary I saw a law enforcement officer do a perfect sankyo on a supsect and pin him up against a wall on his toes unable to move or offer resistance.

Karate too, I have seen used, both defensively and counterroffensvely.I have seen people block attacks, and stop fights just that way, I have seen people block and punch, strike or kick or even sweep an attacker.

Judo too, I have seen effectively used to counter an attack.

Of course, boxing or Muay Thai, can be used similarly.

But fighting, defense and sport, are three separate things and art is a fourth, any of which can be combined, but not any of which have to be.

The most common cry heard in the last decade is, 'but can you fight with it?'

The answer varies, but fighting is a mutual endeavor and defense is a unilateral one.In other words, it takes two to have a fight, but one to defend against an attack.the theory and practice are often very different for the two.

Those who say kata and rolls are useless, should know this: On several occasions, moves from kata and rolls have saved myself and others too, from injury when falling.Onb hard surfaces.You may never be attacked in your life, but probably you will fall down sometime.

As for kata: When the principles of kata are truly understood, internalized and mastered, a process that takes around two years or so to really pick up momentum, reflexes for defense are created that can serve one well in case of surprise attack.And have, throughout history, done so.

Yes, sport combative arts can also do some of these things.But with kata, you don't get hit while you learn them.:D

As you grow older, this can be an important factor.

kelcca
8th March 2003, 14:45
Hey thanks for the replys. I get where you are coming from, and understand a bit more now the difference between sport/art/defense. Most of the people I trained with in the past are NHB/UFC types and little good is said about traditional arts, but like I said I wanted to try something new, it's just hard to get out of that, "this would never work against a shooto fighter", way of thinking, and I am beginning to believe that thinking and training that way is limiting myself. Thanks, Frank Furlong. :)

kelcca
8th March 2003, 23:11
LOL!!! I ask myself that every day. My wife is from NF and we moved here so she could finish the university degree she started here, it's not that bad, but it is not Victoria, B.C. Very cold, poor, and little employment. The Aikido and Chito Ryu is very good here and the people are nice and helpful. Cheers, Frank Furlong:)