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John Lindsey
15th July 2003, 04:00
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1356380&nav=168XGqk0

July 10) -- It's a new form of adult entertainment, and men are paying thousands of dollars to shoot naked women with paint ball guns. They're coming to Las Vegas to do it. This bizarre new sport has captured the attention of people around the world, but Channel 8 Eyewitness News reporter LuAnne Sorrell is the only person who has interviewed the game's founder.

George Evanthes has never been hunting. "Originally I'm from New York. What am I going to hunt? Squirrels? Someone's cats? Someone's dogs? I don't think so," said Evanthes. Now that he's living in Las Vegas, he's finally getting his chance to put on his camouflage, grab a rifle and pull the trigger. But what's in his scope may surprise you. He's not hunting ducks or deer, he's hunting naked woman.

"I've done this three times," says Nicole, one of the three women allowing themselves to be shot at. Two other women, Gidget and Skyler, claim they have done this seven times.

Hunting for Bambi is the brainchild of Michael Burdick. Men pay anywhere from $5000 to $10,000 for the chance to come to the middle of the desert to shoot what they call "Bambis" with a paint ball gun. Burdick says men have come from as far away as Germany. The men get a video tape of their hunt to take home and show their friends.

Burdick says safety is a concern, but the women are not allowed to wear protective gear -- only tennis shoes.

Burdick says hunters are told not to shoot the women above the chest, but he admits not all hunters follow the rules. "The main goal is to be as true to nature as possible. I don't go deer hunting and see a deer with a football helmet on so I don't want to see one on my girl either," said Burdick.

The paint balls that come out of the guns travel at about 200 miles-per-hour. Getting hit with one stings with clothes on, and when they hit bare flesh, they are powerful enough to draw blood.

Evanthes shot one of the women and says, "I got the one with the biggest rack."

Gidget is the one who took the paint ball shot to the rear. She says, "It hurt. It really hurt. I didn't think it was going to be that bad." When asked if she cried she says,"yeah, a little bit."

So why do women agree to strip down and run around the desert dodging paint balls? Nicole says it's good money. "I mean it's $2,500 if you don't get hit. You try desperately not to and it's $1000 if you do," said Nicole

Kolschey
15th July 2003, 04:12
Ouch.

From what I am told, for women it would be as uncomfortable to be hit in the um... chest.. as it would for a guy to be hit in the ...um.. male crown jewels. :rolleyes:

Why don't we send some of these erstwhile commandoes over to Afghanistan to hunt against more substantial game with real weapons?


Ah yes... because there is a difference between a real warrior, who trains to the utmost to be able to fight real enemies with real weapons, with real consequences, versus some ( expletive deleted ) who thinks that hunting naked women for sport is a test of manhood.
:redhot:

Shitoryu Dude
15th July 2003, 06:00
They had the owner of this setup on Tom Leykis today. About 80% of the email they have received is from babes wanting to run around naked for the pay. If they get through without getting hit they get $2500 cash on the spot. Otherwise they earn $1000 if they get tagged.

Typical "hunt" lasts about 30 minutes, and out of state "hunters" also get an escort for the evening. That way you get to mount something regardless of how your hunt went. ;) These hunts take place on a 40 acre spread with plenty of cover and many times the chicks make it to the other side without getting shot.

You shooting ability also plays into how difficult your hunt is. Those of us who can sight in with a pistol at 50 feet in our sleep while drunk get a more difficult course to hunt down the babes. Weenies who can't hit a thing get it easy.

:beer:

A. M. Jauregui
15th July 2003, 06:35
Forget that... Without face protection the rick of severe eye injury is too great. I would assume that it is not an option for the girls in question, but if I wanted to make money quickly I would just sell some of my eggs...

Jock Armstrong
15th July 2003, 08:05
NO good guys, I jist caint shoot them purty nekkid wimmin..........

StanLee
15th July 2003, 08:12
How much is it for a go at this new game?

Stan;) ;) :D

Striking Hand
15th July 2003, 08:17
Originally posted by StanLee
How much is it for a go at this new game?

Stan;) ;) :D

$5.000 ~ $10.000.

For a 30 minute hunt and an escort for the night.

StanLee
15th July 2003, 08:23
:o :D :D

I just need a flight to the US.

But somehow I don't think it will catch on in the UK. Too cold and muddy most of the year.

Ooo! That gives me an idea. Include the element of mud!

Stan

Mike Williams
15th July 2003, 09:55
To steal an Underground catchphrase:

The f***!? Pics!!!!

Cheers,

Mike

Soulend
15th July 2003, 10:52
Having been shot on bare skin with a paintball before, all I can say is OUCH!!

David T Anderson
15th July 2003, 13:58
I saw a post about this one elsewhere and checked out the website...

All kidding aside, this is just nasty. Any a$$#0le that got off on this deserves to be shunned by the entire human race...

Charlie Kondek
15th July 2003, 14:11
Originally posted by Mike Williams
To steal an Underground catchphrase:

The f***!? Pics!!!!

Cheers,

Mike


LOL @ Mike-san.

spartanmachine
15th July 2003, 14:26
This has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. I hate to wonder what they'll think of next just to make money. Why don't they let the "Bambi's" carry paintball guns too? Any guy who would get off on this crap would have to really have no life whatsoever.

ScottUK
15th July 2003, 16:09
Yeah, I got shot in the throat (the ball went just under the neck protector while I was having a heroic moment!) and it took little ol' 230lb me straight off my feet...

The flaw here is incentive. The girls get more money if they don't get hit. I bet the guys playing this really wanna hit one of them (inferiority complex etc), but me - I'd focus the sight on a girl and just watch her panic and run :D

Maybe we could offer a better incentive here to the guys:

All the women should be from Walsall (near me) and if you don't hit one, you get an (enforced) night in the sack. I'd be a bloody crack-shot 'cos the last thing I'd wanna do is give one to a Walsall bird!

Shitoryu Dude
15th July 2003, 16:29
I'd play if you got to use a Super Soaker loaded with a dye. Once you got your Bambi, you could then "mount her" :D

:beer:

KhawMengLee
15th July 2003, 17:36
what next? The Ike Turner review? Yeah, women run around naked and the men get to bludgeon them with their fists...sick man.

Senjojutsu
16th July 2003, 11:03
This news video hit my local news channel today.

Of course they introduced you to the most buxom young lovely, in her gym/t-shirt outfit before she "went to work".

I too immediately thought of eye injury - okay it was my second or third thought, but I was "concerned".
:D

Then in this news video they interviewed the owner, he talked about his clients being basically henpecked passive types, getting out some frustration?

Then I thought, maybe they had bad experiences with their local dominatrix?

Finally if I was going to spend $5,000 - 10,000 on a day/date with a women, well I could think of better ways, but this is a family thread.
:eek:

ScottUK
16th July 2003, 11:25
Now, I may be a little naive here, but just how could you spend $10,000 on a single woman?

I think this should be moved to the Men's Room to continue...

Bambi
16th July 2003, 11:45
i'm F****ING outraged. The assumption that a Bambi is female is deeply offensive :mad:

Son of Thunder
16th July 2003, 17:39
Originally posted by Bambi
The assumption that a Bambi is female is deeply offensive :mad:

Darn right. Bambi is Prince of the Forest, and he kicked the crud out of that other buck!



Seriously, encouraging the sexualization of violence against women does not strike me as being in any way a good idea. Anyone who would pay $5-10,000 for this should spend their money on a shrink instead.

medenfield
16th July 2003, 18:36
if you look at their site you can continue with a "date" with one of these women. The women get paid $1000 if they get hit and $2,500 if they don't. Not bad money for a couple of hours (tops) worth of work.;)

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 18:42
Just to make it more interesting, you should do the hunt with a pair of paintball pistols.....

:beer:

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 18:43
It's pretty sick. I find it disgusting.
Is it a surprise to anyone that there apparently haven't been any entrepreneurs who've come up with a similar opportunity for women, that makes an equally humiliating and painful assault on men?

elder999
16th July 2003, 18:45
Originally posted by Cady Goldfield
It's pretty sick. I find it disgusting.
Wonder why some entrepreneurial woman hasn't come up with a similar opportunity for women, that makes an equally humiliating and painful assault on men?

Hey, those women are volunteers...paid volunteers....well paid.
I'd find it more challenging hunting some guy who was good in thow woods, though, especially if he were hunting back....shooting naked Bambi is just silly, like the men who fork over the bucks to do it.

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 18:48
Tell you what. What if I give you $10,000 if you'll strip nekkid and let me shoot you in the balls with a paint ball. Is it worth it?

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 18:56
Give me a running start and lets see how good your aim is. :D

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 19:00
Don't push your luck, Harvey. You've bragged about how "well endowed" you are... If it's not just talk, that could prove to be a liability for you. :laugh:

elder999
16th July 2003, 19:01
Originally posted by Cady Goldfield
Tell you what. What if I give you $10,000 if you'll strip nekkid and let me shoot you in the balls with a paint ball. Is it worth it?

It's worth it to them,Cady....last year I spent (lost) nearly $10,000 in Vegas....that was worth it..

...and, yeah, will you give me $15,000 if I don't get hit?:cool:

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 19:05
Heh heh.
I'm a damn good shot, Aaron. Even with you running buttside toward me... When you take a hard shot to just above the butt cheek and below the pivot point of the hip, it will force your lower torso around just enough to pull off that next sweet shot...

:shot:

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 19:12
$10,000 to run naked from Cady? Sure - give me the same conditions as the "Bambi" girls get and it's a deal.

Regardless of how much "personality" I've got swinging around, I'm not going to be giving you much of look at it if you aren't there to appreciate it in a manner that does not include paintball guns. :D You have a far better chance of taking a shot at my pasty white backside as I sprint for the exit.

:beer:

Mushin San
16th July 2003, 19:14
I think the whole thing is depressing for many reasins. First, What kind of man gets his rocks off shooting at women with any type of mechanical gun. Second, I find it sad that these women can not find a more normal way of earning money. This is just an example of the lovely society we live in.

elder999
16th July 2003, 19:17
Originally posted by Cady Goldfield
Heh heh.
I'm a damn good shot, Aaron. Even with you running buttside toward me... When you take a hard shot to just above the butt cheek and below the pivot point of the hip, it will force your lower torso around just enough to pull off that next sweet shot...

:shot:

Yeah, Cady, but I can RUN!!

This stuff is nothing;people have been paying much more for much worse for a long time. Most of those women think they're getting some sort of deal, and the guys that pay for this are pathetic.

!5 years back some cop friends took me to a private strip club in New York where you were issued one of those battery-powered Uzi water pistols.......ugh...

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 19:37
Wouldn't it be a profitable enterprise to have a private island somewhere, where big game hunters can pay $100,000 a pop to hunt and kill a man.

Oh, wait, that's already been done. ;)

aemon_
16th July 2003, 20:05
not an exact quote, but funny none the less:

Jay Leno
are there so many hookers in Las Vegas now, that we have to pay hunters to come in and thin them out some?
later

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 20:23
Of course, to make it really interesting they need to give the Bambi a paintball gun of her own with a couple rounds in it. If she pegs the "hunter" without getting hit herself that should be worth double.

:beer:

Paul K
16th July 2003, 20:59
Completely aside from the degrading, sexist aspect of this(which is bad enough), it is appalling from a safety standpoint alone.

It sounds like a few of you, like me, have played paintball before... these are not water-guns. The result of a paintball hitting one of these girls the "wrong way" in the face is going to be blindness at least or death at worst. I've also had a paintball take a bite out of my neck... that was bad enough; there is NO way I'd let someone shoot at me without having a full mask.

As much as I don't like the litigious nature of this country, I hope the first girl who gets severely injured (and there will be one the way they're playing) sues and takes every last penny the scumbag has, along with whoever was doing the shooting.

ScottUK
16th July 2003, 21:06
Yeah, paintball love-bites aren't funny at all.

Except to your friends who are all bastards anyway, come to think of it... :mad:

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 21:07
Paintballs leave some nasty bleeding welts and bruises to be sure. They are the size of marbles, fairly tough, and are traveling at 300 feet per second. I've played paintball several times before and made sure to wear a padded jacket, gloves, and thick pants. Wearing a helmet with face and eye protection is a must for these games.

On the other hand - girls are volunteering by the hundred to be a Bambi.

Something else to think about while we are condemning the men as beasts, disturbed, etc. What sort of woman gets off on being hunted while naked? And what are you going to say when a woman signs up to shoot another chick in the ass? It will happen, just give it time.

:beer:

aemon_
16th July 2003, 21:08
oh yes. i love me some paintball (intended horrible grammar). yeah, the bruises you get through thick camo are bad enough, and i have been shot quite a few times on bare skin. i'd hate to get hit in a soft spot by one, and by that i mean like the small of my back, or the inside of my thigh, not to mention other certain spots :(

later

aemon_
16th July 2003, 21:11
traveling at 300 feet per second
thats really only a rule in touraments, they can actually move quicker than that. when we play, we always chrony down to 300fps.

did you know why that rule is in place? if you were to get hit in the fingers by a paintball going any faster, it would break your fingers. nice huh?

man, its a great game!!

later

Cady Goldfield
16th July 2003, 22:15
Harvey,

I suspect that those women don't "get off" on the experience. No more than most hookers "get off" on their work. It's more that they see an opportunity for what seems to be easy money, and they have a low self-esteem that innures them to humiliation. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these women are also hookers, or were looking at this as an alternative to hooking.

Being Las Vegas and all.

Shitoryu Dude
16th July 2003, 22:35
I've learned not to underestimate what otherwise normal people will do for a large variety of reasons. While I am sure that some of them who do it are strictly in it for the quick cash in exchange for some injuries that will heal relatively quickly and some aching pain, I know for a fact that some of them will do it for other reasons that are purely psychological. Some of them will find it sexually exciting to be naked and hunted by someone.

Hookers tend to be very skanky - I think the caliber of Bambi they want is more in line with "aging showgirl", or "casino cocktail waitress", or "Playmate wannabe".

Anyway, consenting adults and all that. Let them play and make money. Or spend it as the case may be. I'd rather hunt a naked chick with a Super Soaker myself.

:beer:

Mike Williams
17th July 2003, 09:39
I'm not condoning the trivialisation of violence against women, but:

have you considered that it might actually be a very exciting experience from the 'bambi's' point of view. You've got the same kind of adrenalin buzz that lures people into paintball in the first place, with added vulnerability (you can't shoot back), plus the promise of a big payout (especially if you don't get tagged), all topped off with psycho-sexual frisson.

I still reckon the men who fork out $5k are pretty sad - but if I was an athletic woman living in Nevada, I would be tempted. Seriously.

Cady - does your offer still stand? ;)

(But no way would I do it without eye-protection. Not worth being blinded for. I suspect most of the customers wouldn't be going for headshots anyway, but accidents will happen sooner or later.)

Cheers,

Mike the perv.

Daniel san
18th July 2003, 19:18
Originally posted by Cady Goldfield
Tell you what. What if I give you $10,000 if you'll strip nekkid and let me shoot you in the balls with a paint ball. Is it worth it?

Cady,
I've got a similar thing going here that is much more satisfying and a greater bargain. Customers pay me nothing to go out and shoot naked lady hunters with "paint balls". Some mistaken people might think that we are using real bullets, but I assure you they are "paintballs".

Cady Goldfield
18th July 2003, 19:33
Huh?
Did the batteries die in your Universal Translater?
:p

Gene Williams
18th July 2003, 23:45
Hic ***, So, who are these guys (hic***) who want to paint their balls and hunt naked girls? I'd like to chase naked girls, but (hic***) do I have to paint my balls? Gene:confused: :beer:

Iain
19th July 2003, 12:27
How about "Man Takes Paintball Gun and Shoots Sadistic Mysogynist Jackasses with too Much Money and Small Penises... and He Does it for Free!"


it's much better... it's free!

Give me a break. It's demeaning, purile and stupid. As far as I'm concerned, it ceases to be about consenting adults when money is involved. Seriously, if your pathetic enough to pay to chase women around with a paintball gun in exchange for some kind of weird sexual buzz, you deserve to have your ass kicked to the curb in short order.

No money, different matter all together. Still weird, but at least the people are in it for the same reason.

Gene Williams
19th July 2003, 15:34
You are correct, except in your spelling, it is puerile but funny. You have to see the humor in stuff like that or you come off sounding pretty self-righteous. The fact that someone willingly does it for money does not make it less degrading. Gene

Senjojutsu
20th July 2003, 00:25
Gene,

It's just like these "New Age Puritans" to come down hard on things that impact their personal value systems.

I mean, a few years ago the elected officials of New York State in their collective wisdom passed a law banning "dwarf tossing" in taverns.

  Was dwarf tossing a burning public safety matter?
  Did it make the schools better in the Empire State?
  Did it improve taxation policy, making it fairer or less burdensome?
  Did it fix the potholes in the roads?

What is the old saying: a Puritan is forever distressed by the thought that somewhere, someone is having wanton fun.

IMHO baring the legitimate discussion issue of potentail serious eye injury; is this employment any less degrading than what a typical stripper needs to do during her shift during any given evening? Or what a "working girl" does in a legal brothel in rural Nevada?

By the way this week I watched the owner of this "Hunt Bambi" business on CNN debating Faye Wattleton, famed pro-abortion advocate being all self-righteous and indignant on this matter. I just felt an inherent irony, it was like having to get lectured about drinking and driving by Fat Ted Kennedy.
:mad:

Bjorn
20th July 2003, 01:59
Please note that both Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp) and the Urban Legends and Folklore site (http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/009144.htm) have declared this entire story to be a hoax -- these "hunts" have never taken place, and most likely never will. Not only is it likely that the "hunter" featured in the newsstory was a shill, but apparently the business is licensed only to sell videos.

In the same vein as Mr. Moul's caution above: never underestimate the willingness of a local news channel to run a sensationalist story without checking the facts.

Gene Williams
20th July 2003, 02:12
John, You are so right...the old view that anything enjoyable is evil and anything evil is enjoyable perpetrated by the King James version-jumping up and down-total immersion-dinner on the ground-Southern Baptists:mad: and others who cannot bear the notion that someone, somewhere may be having fun. Gene
----------
"The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run...naught's an angle to the iron way!"

Senjojutsu
20th July 2003, 10:13
If this story is indeed a hoax than it is an excellent reminder that in this Internet age and the modern 24-hour news station cycle all it takes is one juicy story and the feeding frenzy begins! Much like any story right now that deals with contradicting US/UK WMD claims. The New York Times scandal should also remind us that laziness and lack of controls does infest ALL media levels, not just some third-tier TV station in Anywhere USA.

I do say "if" because when I read the aforementioned websites that Bjorn references I was amused by the smugness of their logic - "…what woman in her right mind". Much of the posts above dealt with us discussing that point.

I will give you an analogy…
If you went back in time to the 1970's and proclaimed that in the coming 90's some people "for a thrill" would pay big money to purposely jump off bridges with elastic ropes tied to their ankles, you may have been locked up for observation. But Bungee Jumping is a craze and now a real business, and people do die doing it. So what is a paintball welt in comparison to that??

Bjorn
21st July 2003, 00:36
Originally posted by Senjojutsu
I do say "if" because when I read the aforementioned websites that Bjorn references I was amused by the smugness of their logic - "…what woman in her right mind". Much of the posts above dealt with us discussing that point.


I will admit I was a bit disappointed in the haphazard presentation that both sites offered. The relevant points seem to be:

1) This story from KLAS TV (http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1363796) (the station that originally featured this whole debacle), that states that the only available business license for the owners of the Hunting for Bambi affair is " for sell hunting videos over the Internet, not for hunting women with paint ball guns."

2) This report from FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C92070%2C00.html), which presents the opinion of Susan Estrich (who I believe is this member of the USC law faculty (http://lawweb.usc.edu/faculty/sestrich.htm)), to wit: the entire affair violates a number of criminal laws.

3) This story by KVBC TV (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?s=%20%201366846), another local Las Vegas network, that investigates the background of the supposed hunter.

Which, to me, makes the whole situation very dubious -- but I'm also not sure on what basis the people behind Snopes.com are using to declare that the story is certainly false. The first two points, in particular, are really just proof that you would need to be an ignorant fool to start up such a business, but that doesn't necessarily make the story false. Snopes.com seem to imply they have some definitive confirmation of the hoax, but such is not provided.

There are also some valid points being made about the economics of this business, and the design of the website.

Much of the discussion has moved far beyond the facts of the matter, anyways, so this may not be of much relevance anyways -- but I'm nitpicky. :)

Senjojutsu
21st July 2003, 06:45
On the subject of being "nitpicky"; specifically Susan Estrich:

"National Campaign Manager, Dukakis for President Campaign, 1987-88".   Yes we had to endure that hoarse-voiced, horse-teethed shrew lies for two years while Estrich tried to get that pompous and self-righteous little sh!t elected President.

We who had suffered in Massachusetts knew about Dukakis - luckily once he acted like Snoopy riding on top of a tank, America started to know (with no thanks to the national news media).

I am now curious, if you showed Estrich say a kendo or aiki jutsu video would she make the same off-the-cuff legal opinion Fox pays her to spout on TV shots?
That is; "[They're] violating about 20 criminal laws, including assault."
:eek:

Shitoryu Dude
21st July 2003, 06:58
Most likely :laugh:

I remember the Dukakis campaign quite well. Speaking of dead-end Democrat loser presidential candidates, it would appear that some rather foolish and misguided people are trying to start another Gary Hart campaign. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Just what we need to mix in the current batch of "wouldn't vote for them if they were running unopposed" Dems.

:beer:

Iain
24th July 2003, 18:00
Originally posted by Senjojutsu
Gene,

It's just like these "New Age Puritans" to come down hard on things that impact their personal value systems.

...

What is the old saying: a Puritan is forever distressed by the thought that somewhere, someone is having wanton fun.

IMHO baring the legitimate discussion issue of potentail serious eye injury; is this employment any less degrading than what a typical stripper needs to do during her shift during any given evening? Or what a "working girl" does in a legal brothel in rural Nevada?

...


I didn't say it was illegal, or that the gov't has any buisness legislating peurile (dammit!) behaviour. Collectively, however, some kind of moral stance should be taken against activities that demean people for the enjoyment of others. Although the whole thing is moot now, if I ever met someone who engaged in a similar activity, I'd give him a piece of my mind, and give him 5 seconds to vacate the space around me lest I do something he regret. I'm pretty sure any sane person would do the same.

No, it's not any less degrading than being a prostitute or stripper, but that doesn't make it (or either of the above mentioned professions) any less morally reprihensible. I've never been to a strip club or solicited a hooker for those reasons. If you can't find someone to have sex with or take their clothes off in front of you for free, then you need to get a girlfriend.

I hardly think taking a stance in favour of basic moral decency is 'new agey'.