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adroitjimon
25th July 2003, 05:53
Role models do frequent us from time to time.

Now with that having been said which roles have you frequently
modeled in the past few weeks?

So like if someone manages to pump up the volume to a point where
the projection is manifest into all intelligible knowledge.That is
when the protector comes,But it can only protect you from it's
absence.


There was an earlier thread that stated ,"Do you think you can
honestly defend yourself?"...Well I have a counter to that

Do you think you honestly need to defend yourself?
and if so why do you not feel humilliated that you have to train
when the assailant you are training to defend yourself against
doesn't...
Most times people who assault some one usually establish an
advantage thus ensuring a certain level of efficiency can
become the reality of their perception of control ...

Do you honestly think you are exempt from control?
do you honestly think you can control others with the exemption
of their consent?

Training to be able to control futures that have yet to come to
pass is commendable, but if you train with out the desire to use
the techniques and simple improvosations in an act of violence is
well, I'm not going to use the word,"moot", here when I could
because I see that word used quite a bit in here,and it makes me
think 'wow I bet the first person who used that word really thought
they were clever for finding a way to install that word in a
sentence that wouldn't render the usage of the word a definition
of the word itself...you have just been affectively controlled
and there is no way for you to gain the time back as of yet...

I'm sorry I had to use you as an example but there is no way any
one can defend themselves unless they do by avoiding the situation.

Yeah,you can chose not to reply thinking well I havent been gotten
this tread is meant for one person... so if you think you can
honestly protect yourself,how do you honestly think you can prove
it?

Are you the type who runs to point from point in a rain shower
or are you the type who accepts that they will become wet and
make no change of action to accomodate the rain the rain drops are
goin to hit something why not let it be you it's a natural thing
from which there is no protection ,there's reversion not
protection... why are you still here? hurry up and post!!!

adroitjimon
26th July 2003, 00:48
All the little boys and girls will dance to the music I have made


when I smile a little part of their world will have desintegrated


look up at the stars from whence I came


I'm not the one I am the same...





























































































































How very sinister why have you sent me in this direction
I've done nothing to you and I am innocent ...

adroitjimon
26th July 2003, 18:28
Protect your self against those with more power than you with
your self and you will see just how quickly the wall crumbles
around them ,pick a fight with a black belt just to see if they
really are...
In karate there is no first attack ,butif they put themselves in a
position to be struck upon then so be it but if you want words
with me I got em if you want rounds with me I got em if you want
love ,love is what I got...don't be a fool just because I am...

bruceb
27th July 2003, 15:55
Drug phobia? But then you might be right Mr. Elmore, there are some strange brainwaves happening here.

Well, this post has come to the huff of a paper bag to stop the hiccups, so maybe, in a minute and huff everything will be better.

HIC!

Or was that a minute and two huffs of a paper bag?

Daniel san
27th July 2003, 16:10
Interesting. You are right that in a real world situation, strictly sticking to the kata will probably kill you. Improvisation is essential. However, to assume that the opponent doesn't train in some way is a trap. Perhaps the guy who has picked a fight with you is a master chess player and can manuver you wherever he wants. Or, maybe he has been to prison and learned how to cause the most damage in the fastest time? The idea that you shouldn't train because the other guy might not have studied the same style as you is dangerous. Or did I somehow miss your point? Have a good day!

adroitjimon
27th July 2003, 21:27
Mr.Garner you did in fact get a good part of the point, but the
remainder that you missed was this...

Mr.Elmore in all of his "intellectual superiority"has mannaged to
belittle far too many in our community preaching the ways of
trolldom to those who are bored enough to care...

What I am affectively trying to pint out is that if you are a
superior as you claim then stick with those whom you see as your
equall do not prove your might on those that who you consider to
be loweleir than your self because you picking on may end up
backfiring on you ...there is no shame in getting your ass handed
to you by someone who is bigger and stronger than you ...but when
your constant bullying causes a riot from those who you are
bullying will hand it over to you in a manner you will not have an
opportunity to use your training against....

Sharp phill is bright I'll give him that but when he goes about
shoving his heft he presents himself as a target in the form as
a bully...like the Cobra kai boys from the film "Karate kid"

I hope this will help to straighten the matter Daniel san...

Gene Williams
27th July 2003, 22:13
:D

adroitjimon
28th July 2003, 04:01
Now the real Training is safety awareness. you are only so tough.

knowing when to use speed and strengh is a curve learned in the
course of experience.does one become aware of self defense in
the time it is needed, when it had none? Or does one see it as
a means to an end? I don't know I've never had to defend myself
Because I never needed to...You see I'm a Rat and I can get around
it if I need to...And I love stealing bait from the trap, you'll
notice this on my card...Life's a nightmare & at the same time it's
a dream...Plug in some reggea dub and chill...let all dim udda
bruddas ill...we gon' climb da mountain high...plenny' time
fo de sittin when my body die...till din gon'a climb a mountain
high...the mountain never train to be the mountain...The Sea it
nev' train to be dat sea but im be powerful 'ponents 'cuz dim make
you be fight'n you'self...climb dat mountain high ,get in that
river deep, the advantage is up in the sky with
a little bit of speed,
take your mind off the moment visualize its past,
then find the path to fruition that's how the moment lasts...

this probably doesn't make any sense but if it does,
congratulations maybe I'll just sit and fit...sit and fit...

Soulend
28th July 2003, 04:26
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spartanmachine
28th July 2003, 10:04
Do you think you honestly need to defend yourself?
and if so why do you not feel humilliated that you have to train
when the assailant you are training to defend yourself against
doesn't...
Most times people who assault some one usually establish an
advantage thus ensuring a certain level of efficiency can
become the reality of their perception of control ...

Do you honestly think you are exempt from control?
do you honestly think you can control others with the exemption
of their consent?

There are stupid people in this world, clever maybe but still stupid. They may perceive themselves as having an advantage, but the truth is when you train for that advantage, that you can overcome that advantage.

Can you control others with the exemption of their consent? I've done so many times in the past. Sometimes this can mean calling the police for help, sometimes it can mean running away, sometimes it can mean restraining someone, and sometimes it can mean beating the crap out of someone. Yes because I trained for all this and was able to implement it.

adroitjimon
29th July 2003, 02:20
Well done Kosta,bravo ... Started out like a troll tag but ended
up mon amie',good perhaps in the future you will join us again...


how does one train for every thing and why would they?

You want to know what I'm training for ? I'm training to be the
oldest living human to never have left the face of the earth...

try that one on for size .

Now mind you karate is part of this training,but not necesarilly
all...

But , as far as Chris ,( that's me:D),putting himself in a
position of trouble it's not gonna happen they're after me and
I'm not paranoid about the fact but in the course of
defending others I have found it easiest to sneak up on some one
while they are accosting their victims and say BOO!!!
that usually defends the other person and gives you the upper hand
at the same interval and boom! It's over just that quick...

I used to get picked on alot and I learned to absorb it
because I knew I was the toughest and nobody could beat me,
still nobody has... some how this should bother me but I'm
afraid it don't ...I'm the kinda guy to snap and that is dangerous
to an extent in itself...but I can take alot before I do

I dont like getting kicked in the nuts ,I'll kick you fifteen
feet away from where your standing...

spartanmachine
29th July 2003, 23:04
By stupid people I mean the person I'm training to defend myself against, not you. You asked why do you feel you need to train to defend yourself against someone who doesn't. The fact is he is probably trained just not in the same way, and that there are stupid people in the world in the sense that they'll attack those they perceive as having the weaker vantage point. Your training should deal with that.

adroitjimon
30th July 2003, 01:45
I guess since you have put it that way Kosta I do train
in an exceptional manner...

You see I pride my self on the fact that I am a pretty weird
dude and this weirdness is pretty much the self defense
mechanism that I use day to day...

I blend in with the surrpundings much like a Chamelion does ,I
don't change colors but instead change character...
and this technique has come to be quite effective
the ability to read an opponent in a crisis situation is another
good training method,but alas at times I feel pathetic that I'm
a weirdo because there are tons and tons of people who are the
normal type and they go day to day without a care towards
how others may be conspiring against them...because I can't protect
them all...

That is what if could I would train for... I would train
to protect the world against the no gooders who wish to harm
those who wish not to be a part of the Drama...but I'm no super
hero and this vigalanteism is bad too because one goes out looking
for trouble to give trouble a little trouble of its own...

adoitjimon,jupiterfalcon; Roll model from another planet...