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Tim Mailloux
15th January 2004, 18:19
Does anybody know of a resource that lists the MSR waza names and the corresponding MJER waza names? Or vice versa?
Chidokan
15th January 2004, 18:42
never seen both together, only seperate. Here's minefor MJER (should really get round to finishing the site as well...)
http://chidokan.tripod.com/chidokandojo/id8.html
Senjojutsu
15th January 2004, 18:44
Shoden level
The set of Ômori-Ryû Waza from the 9th Dai, Hayashi Rokudayû Morimasa, via his study under Ômori Rokûrozaemon:
1. Mae versus Shohattô
2. Migi versus Satô
3. Hidari versus Utô
4. Ushiro versus Atari-tô
5. Yaegaki
a - Omote versus Inyô Shintai
b - Ura versus Gyaku Inyô Shintai
6. Ukenagashi versus Ryûtô
7. Kaishaku versus Juntô
8. Tsukekomi versus Gyakutô
9. Tsukikage versus Shinchûtô or Seichutô
10. Oikaze versus Korantô
11. Nukiuchi versus Battô
The second name listed (ex. Shohatto) are the older naming conventions prior to Oe Masamichi, 17th Grandmaster.
MSR dojos typically still uses those previous names, while MJER uses the more modern names.
Normally 5b, Gyaku Inyo Shintai is taught as the 11th waza within MSR syllabus, then followed by Batto.
The Chuden level - the Tatehiza posture waza, introduced by 7th Dai, Hasegawa Eishin Shûzei no Suke, have the same waza names.
The Okuden level also will have waza name variances between the ryu (about 50% of the time) but let's see other people's responses.
Tim Mailloux
15th January 2004, 18:48
Originally posted by Senjojutsu
Shoden level
The set of Ômori-Ryû Waza from the 9th Dai, Hayashi Rokudayû Morimasa, via his study under Ômori Rokûrozaemon:
1. Mae versus Shohattô
2. Migi versus Satô
3. Hidari versus Utô
4. Ushiro versus Atari-tô
5. Yaegaki
a - Omote versus Inyô Shintai
b - Ura versus Gyaku Inyô Shintai
6. Ukenagashi versus Ryûtô
7. Kaishaku versus Juntô
8. Tsukekomi versus Gyakutô
9. Tsukikage versus Shinchûtô or Seichutô
10. Oikaze versus Korantô
11. Nukiuchi versus Battô
Second name listed (ex. Shohatto) are the older naming conventions prior to Oe Masamichi, 17th Grandmaster.
MSR dojos typically still uses those previous names, while MJER use the more modern names.
Normally 5b, Gyaku Inyo Shintai is taught as the 11th waza within MSR syllabus, then followed by Batto.
The Chuden level - the Tatehiza posture waza, introduced by 7th Dai Hasegawa Eishin Shûzei no Suke have the same waza names.
The Okuden level also will have waza name variances between the ryu (about 50% of the time) but let's see other people's responses.
Thanks
This is just what I was looking for
ulvulv
15th January 2004, 21:17
Originally posted by Chidokan
never seen both together, only seperate. Here's minefor MJER (should really get round to finishing the site as well...)
http://chidokan.tripod.com/chidokandojo/id8.html
Nice overview, the names in okuden are the same as in my "book", but there is one I cant find, in msr okuden suwariwasa we have as our nr 4 "sodome", against a series of three attackers coming from below.
Now, I have seen a hachidan mjer doing that kata. have just I ignored it on your list, does it perhaps have another name ??
Andy Watson
16th January 2004, 09:27
I agree, Sodome seems to be missing.
Or did you remove it because it has rude connotations???
Senjojutsu
16th January 2004, 13:05
The Okuden level names from Hayashizaki-Ryû Waza, from the founder Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu:
Current name versus Previous name
Tachiwaza:
1. Yukizure versus Yukizure
2. Tsuredachi versus Tsuredachi
3. Sômakuri versus Gôhogiri
4. Sôdome versus Hanashiuchi
5. Shinobu versus Yoru no Tachi
6. Yukichigai versus Yukichigai
7. Sode Surigaeshi versus Ken no Koto
8. Moniri versus Kakuresute
9. Kabezoe versus Hito Naka
10. Ukenagashi versus Yurumi Nuki
11. Itomagoi (Seiza waza) versus Itomagoi (Seiza waza)
Suwariwaza:
1. Kasumi versus Mukôbarai
2. Sunegakoi versus Tsukadome
3. Shihôgiri versus Shisumi
4. Tôzume versus Misumi
5. Tôwaki versus Mukôzume
6. Tanashita versus Tanashita
7. Ryôzume versus Ryôzume
8. Torabashiri versus Torabashiri
Senjojutsu
16th January 2004, 13:15
I agree, Sodome seems to be missing.
Or did you remove it because it has rude connotations???
Andy,
Funny that you mention this, because now that I think about it, male students always seem to be able to remember that waza's name (Sodome) first before all the other Okuden level names... innate mnemonics maybe?
:p :D
ulvulv
16th January 2004, 13:32
Originally posted by Senjojutsu
Andy,
Funny that you mention this, because now that I think about it, male students always seem to be able to remember that waza's name (Sodome) first before all the other Okuden level names... innate mnemonics maybe?
:p :D
it is more about omote versus ura preferences
;)
Chidokan
16th January 2004, 22:44
that'll teach me to rush my typing wont it...:D Now I'll DEFINITELY have to go in and edit the list! I was also going to add the missing partner work I havent listed yet, tsumi ai no kurai etc...there goes another ten minutes of my life....:rolleyes:
SLeclair
18th January 2004, 16:59
The eikoku roshukai (at http://www.eikoku-roshukai.com/) has a great list of sword forms for MJER from different sources. It can be found at http://www.eikoku-roshukai.com/compilationofswordforms.pdf from their MJER section.
Not affiliated with them in any way. But I've done research on our waza, found their list, and I think it's better than most of the stuff out there.
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