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Joanne Miller
9th June 2000, 15:24
Hi everyone , it's been a while since I have posted here due to the great e-budo crash. Glad things are picking up on the forum. I am sure that the quality of the discussions would only get better since more interesting & knowledgeable people are posting here http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif
ok, enough beating round the bush back to the discussions.

For those for do Iai be in ZNKR Iai ,ZNIR Iai or ryugi Iai some employ a stamp when preforming their seated techiniques (Seiza, Tate Hiza, Iaigoshi. e.t.c)while others do not.

I heard contrasting views regarding stamping when preforming techniques. Some of the views of the pro-stampers I heard include stamping helps one in reinforcing techniques by helping to "sink" the hips. Others use the stamp as a "timer" to synchronize nukitsuke and the feet movement.

The anti-stampers on the other hand ( well those I heard from) view stamping as "wasted movement". Others say it takes away attacking pressure. Some even say it's used only be "beginners" as a helping aid in timing!(now that's new to me http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif )

Anyway, anyone out there wish to give their take about stamping in Iai ?

Joanne Miller



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9th June 2000, 20:24
I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to iaido, but I have competed in kendo. If you don't stomp your leading foot with a men or kote strike, it is unlikely to receive a score. The idea is that the slapping of the foot indicates your forward motion and full body commitment to the attack. Although I have only received minimal iaido instruction, I think the stamping action is similar.

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Don Cunningham

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Ruediger
9th June 2000, 20:53
Most of the time during practice i do not stamp, i use it only if i'm tired (i hope to wake up through the noise http://216.10.1.92/ubb/biggrin.gif).
I've been told (by my sensei) that (you said it... new to you) it is only used by beginners, but i think if you feel comfortable with it, stamping is o.k., also if you are a swordgod http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif
Oh.. by the way, i practice MJER (ZNIR) and i started with Kashima Shin Ryu (thank's to Dr. Friday, he gave me the address), but i have no idea if there are such things like stamping in KSR (until now i've done just kihon)

Regards

Ruediger Meier

hyaku
10th June 2000, 01:05
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joanne Miller:
[B]Hi everyone , it's been a while since I have posted here due to the great e-budo crash. Glad things are picking up on the forum. I am sure that the quality of the discussions would only get better since more interesting & knowledgeable people are posting here http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif
ok, enough beating round the bush back to the discussions.

For those for do Iai be in ZNKR Iai ,ZNIR Iai or ryugi Iai some employ a stamp when preforming their seated techiniques (Seiza, Tate Hiza, Iaigoshi. e.t.c)while others do not.

I heard contrasting views regarding stamping when preforming techniques. Some of the views of the pro-stampers I heard include stamping helps one in reinforcing techniques by helping to "sink" the hips. Others use the stamp as a "timer" to synchronize nukitsuke and the feet movement.

The anti-stampers on the other hand ( well those I heard from) view stamping as "wasted movement". Others say it takes away attacking pressure. Some even say it's used only be "beginners" as a helping aid in timing!(now that's new to me http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif )

Anyway, anyone out there wish to give their take about stamping in Iai ?

Joanne Miller

Hello Ms Miller.

This subject is the next page of the MJER explanation to be posted on my site next month. But I have posted it here as you mentioned it. (read below)

Visit http://www2.saganet.ne.jp/sword for other info.

ZNKR Seitei gata's made up forms do no include any stamping movements.
One particular teacher who has won the ZNKR Iai championships does this.
he confided he me that doing it is useful in competion. The seated judges are usually watching two competitors. Stamping brings their attention your way! Anyread on to find out the real benefits. It confirms what Mr Meier has already said.

As Mr Cunningham say's a stamp is required in Kendo to confirm that there is Ki-ken-tai ichi in Kendo. Over a lifetimes practice it doesn't do the knees joints much good at all.

Regards, Hyakutake
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THE SOUND OF THE FOOT IN SEIZA ACTION.
(Iwata Norikazu-Eishin Ryu of Tosa)

There are two different types. One is to make a noise and the other is to step forward without a sound. Both have their reasons, but the silent footwork was the original one, so as not to attract the opponent’s attention. From a training point of view it is difficult to use the sliding footwork and gain good results. In fact some schools are teaching people to deliberately make a stamping sound in Seiza techniques. This way it is physically easier for
beginners to learn “Ki-ken-tai-ichi”.

Regardless of other people Master Oe told us to make a sound for Seiza
techniques. When students reached the Oku Iai stage he taught silent
footwork. I can clearly recall many senior high graded Iaidoka intentionally
stamping in Kochi 30 or 40 years ago. My teacher Yamamoto Takuji Sensei
used to tell me “Stamp the foot as strong as the floor boards are in the hall”.
Making a sound seems to be powerful, on the other hand silent footwork is
graceful. Both ways are correct. It is for the individual to choose depending on ones experience and technical ability.

© Hyakutake 1994

Joanne Miller
10th June 2000, 04:50
Hi Hyakutake san,

Thanks for sharing with us the "sneak preview" of your next month update of your website on Iwata sensei's Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu of Tosa. http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif

By the way, it's a fantastic website and it really stands out it terms of content material.(You should put a guestbook http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif ) I discovered it by accident during the E-budo crash when I was trying to find more things to do on the net than just hanging around waiting for e-budo to be fixed.

Anyway I am glad you posted that article. I always wondered what was Oe sensei's ORIGINAL take on stamping in seiza. As for Oku Iai (Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu & Muso Shinden Ryu) same thing I noticed.( Those that I saw) stamping seems to be ommitted.

Oh yes,if anyone wish to know , Yap I am in the same camp as the "pro-stamper" for ZNKR Iai http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif

Cheers,

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Joanne Miller

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