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Jerry Johnson
19th May 2004, 19:07
I was wondering if anyone would be so kind in directing me to any availible ( not out of print ) works that recorded Kano's views on Judo. That is any recommendation of books to websites. I am not sure if there is a book list on a judo page or not? I would be also interested in written recordings of his lectures as well.

I am not a judoka person, but I have become highly interested in his teachings and philosophy ( training and not ) on Judo. I really never realized how much of a thinking man's art Judo is.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have gone to some sights but because of by novice experience I am not sure what is what?

jeffbruner
19th May 2004, 19:45
Kodokan Judo by Jigoro Kano is one of the main sources. It is still in print and can be found at most major book sellers.

He also wrote a 70 page pamphlet entitled Judo (Jujutsu) for the Japanese Board of Tourist Industry. This is out of print, however.

Reviews of these books can be found on the "Best Judo" site at http://www.bestjudo.com/reviews-author.shtml

Other articles by Kano can be found on the site www.judoinfo.com Look under "articles," go to "alphabetical list" and search for KANO.

GOod luck.

RHH
19th May 2004, 22:05
One of the most interesting pieces that Dr. Kano wrote was "The contribution of judo to education". You can find many references to this by doing a search of the internet. Also, suggest you review the library list at the Kodokan (http://www.kodokan.org/e_basic/archive.html)and the Kano Society (http://www.kanosociety.org).

Jerry Hays
Santee, CA

Jerry Johnson
19th May 2004, 22:41
I wasn't able to access www.judoinfo.com . is it down?

jeffbruner
19th May 2004, 23:14
I think you can't access the site because of the period after "com" in the URL I posted.

Try this:
http://www.judoinfo.com/

MarkF
19th May 2004, 23:34
You can access the site with http://judoinfo.com as that has become the unofficial name for the web site these days.

Another web site, with, perhaps, a more accurate and detailed history, is http://www.bstkd.com/judo.htm . I recommend Best Judo for its reviews of judo books, the site at Big Sky Judo has probably the most complete list and reviews of books online, though there are more books on the Kodokan web site.

They also have a very good list of recommended books on Judo, the Kodokan, and Kano. I'd also recommend the Kano society web site. Kano's writings appear in other books, as well. Sometimes, what others have to say about the man is much more interesting than what he himself, said.

You have to be choosy in what you read that is Kano (in Kodokan Judo) and what is by committee. Obviously, this book is updated every time it is rereleased so his writing will not be that of throws approved in 1997.

But if you are interested in a general How-to and Kano, Kodokan Judo is one of the better choices for both.


Mark

MarkF
19th May 2004, 23:37
BTW: To avoid many link problems, leave a space after the link, and before punctuation, and one before it. That is usually the problem when you can't access web sites when written or copied.

Anyway, all the links should now work.


Mark

Jerry Johnson
20th May 2004, 03:15
This is what I get when I followed per everyones appreciated advice for judoinfo.com link.




File not Permitted
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Return to the Judo Information Site


Is this something on my end? Because for everyone's post it is accessed without problems.
my browser says its a 403 Access Forbidden.

:(

RHH
20th May 2004, 03:21
You might try a different browser. Are you using Internet Explorer (IE) or Netscape? I am using Internet Explorer and I have no trouble.

Jerry Hays
Santee, CA

Joseph Svinth
20th May 2004, 03:29
Try http://www.judoinfo.com/

***

Obviously, Jerry's another person who is tragically without his very own copy of my book, "Getting a Grip: Judo in the Nikkei Communities of the Pacific Northwest, 1900-1950)" (US $24.95 plus P&H, order via PayPal at EJMAS). :(

Anyway, from the bibliography of "Getting a Grip," the following recommendations.

Iizuka, Kunisaburo. “I Remember,” Revue Judo Kodokan, VII:2 (March 15, 1957), 2/1150-4/1152; VII:3 (May 15, 1957), 5/1185-9/1189. (NOTE: See also http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_0702.htm ).

Kano, Jigoro. “The Contribution of Jiudo [sic] to Education,” Journal of Health and Physical Education, 3 (1932), 37-40, 58; see also JudoInfo.com, http://judoinfo.com/kano.htm .

-----. “Jiudo [sic]: The Japanese Art of Self Defence,” Living Age, 314 (1922), 724-731; see also JudoInfo.com, http://judoinfo.com/kano2.htm .

-----. “Principles of Judo and Their Applications to all Phases of Human Activity,” unpublished lecture given at the Parnassus Society, Athens, Greece, on June 5, 1934, reprinted as “Principles of Judo” in Budokwai Quarterly Bulletin, April 1948, 37-42; see also Journal of Combative Sport, http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_kano_0201.htm .

Kano, Risei. “The Kodokan Judo” (Tokyo: The Kodokan, 1951)

Lindsay, Thomas and Kano, Jigoro. “The Old Samurai Art of Fighting without Weapons,” Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan, XVI, Pt II, reprinted 1915, 202-217; see also JudoInfo.com, http://judoinfo.com/kano6.htm .

Maekawa, Mineo. “Jigoro Kano’s Thoughts on Judo, with Special Reference to the Approach of Judo Thought during His Jujutsu Training Years,” Bulletin of the Association for the Scientific Studies on Judo, Kodokan, Report V (1978), reprint from Big Sky Taekwondo and Judo, http://www.bstkd.com/kano1.htm .

----- and Hasegawa, Y. “Studies on Jigoro Kano: Significance of His Ideals on Physical Education and Judo,” Bulletin of the Association for the Scientific Studies on Judo, Kodokan, Report II (1963).

Matsudaira, Tsuneo. “Sports and Physical Training in Modern Japan,” Transactions and Proceedings of the Japan Society, London, 8 (1907/1909), 115, 119-120.

“Nagaoka Shihan: A Short Biography,” translated by G.R. Gleeson, Budokwai Quarterly Bulletin, April 1953, 17-18.

Svinth, Joseph R. “Jigoro Kano in North America,” The Kano Society, http://www.kanosociety.org/articles_2.htm .

Waterhouse, David, “Kano Jigoro and the Beginnings of the Judo Movement,” in Bruce Kidd, editor, Proceedings, 5th Canadian Symposium on the History of Sport and Physical Education (Toronto: School of Physical and Health Education, University of Toronto, 1982), 168-78. Reprinted in Judo Ontario Newsletter, 8:1 (March/April 1983), 14-16, and 8:2 (May/June 1983), 15-17, and separately, as a pamphlet, by Judo Ontario (with assistance from the Ontario Ministry of Tourism and Recreation).

And, from a note in "Getting a Grip,"

QUOTE

Geof Gleeson presents the strongest case regarding the influence of Mill and Spencer on Kano -- so strong, in fact, that it is, in my opinion, overstated. See, for example, Gleeson’s All About Judo (East Ardsley, Wakefield, West Yorkshire: EP Publishing, 1975), 90-95. For Kano telling reporters that he freely borrowed ideas from around the world, see Japan Times, March 11, 1913. For the influence that Social Darwinism had on people educated at Tokyo University between 1877 and 1891, see Shigekazu Yamashita, “Herbert Spencer and Meiji Japan,” Japan in Transition: Thought and Action in the Meiji Era, 1868-1912, edited by Hilary Conroy, Sandra T.W. Davis, and Wayne Patterson (Rutherford, NJ: Farleigh Dickinson University Press, 1984), 77-95. For Muscular Christian ideals, the kind that influenced both YMCA leaders and British politicians, see Mark Girouard, The Return to Camelot (New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1981). For the attitudes of early YMCA leaders, see David I. Macleod, Building Character in the American Boy: The Boy Scouts, YMCA, and Their Forerunners, 1870-1920 (Madison, WI: University of Wisconsin Press, 1983). For an introduction to the role that some of these YMCA leaders played in spreading sport throughout East Asia, see Jonathan Kolatch, Sports, Politics and Ideology in China (Middle Village, NY: Jonathan David Publishers, 1972). Finally, for analogous German athletic doctrines, see Richard D. Mandell, Sport, A Cultural History (New York: Columbia University Press, 1984).

RHH
20th May 2004, 03:40
Hi Joe,

I do have your fine book, but I did not think to look in it. Thanks for the info.

Jerry Hays
Santee, CA

Joseph Svinth
20th May 2004, 03:57
Jerry (Hays)--

I was thinking of Jerry Johnson, who started the thread, rather than you! But anyway, you know me, always leave 'em with a bibliography.

gabro
20th May 2004, 07:09
Originally posted by jeffbruner

He also wrote a 70 page pamphlet entitled Judo (Jujutsu) for the Japanese Board of Tourist Industry. This is out of print, however.


Actually, this is in print now, thanks to the people at Buyubooks.
Can be bought via Buyubooks.com or amazon.com.
I just read my copy, and although it is an introduction, it is well worth getting if the philosophy of Judo is of interest.

Mads

Jerry Johnson
20th May 2004, 17:03
Joe,

I now feel really :o :o :o :o :o ! For not having your book. I will get. Thank you very much for posting the bib. as well. It is really helpful.

The more I read about Judo the more I can't put it down. I wondering if I am becoming a judo fan. :D Of course I am too old to do it. But that doesn't me I can't be a wanntabee judoka. :)

Jerry Johnson
20th May 2004, 17:07
after following all the great advice given, I still get the File Not Permitted page on both Netscape and IE :( . I am chopping at the bit to read more about judo.

Any other suggest or reasons why this is happening?

Thanks.

Jerry Johnson
20th May 2004, 17:38
Is anyone else getting the 403?

I have called friends mine. They get it. One suggested that my IP has been blocked, to the site. This is based on my trying all the suggested links and advice and I still get a 403. It was suggested as a starting point to contact the site for verification of error.

Since I can't accesss the site, does anyone know who I could contact to see if a error has occured that is blocking my IP?


any help would greatly be appreciated.

jeffbruner
20th May 2004, 17:50
It is weird the links aren't working for you, they all seem to work fine for me - especially since Mark edited the periods.

Try a Google search for judo, and the Judo Info site will come up as the top site. Try clicking from there and see what happens...

Humph.

BTW, it's never too late to start Judo! At least age-wise (other factors aside)... At the recent Master's National Tournament, there was a gentleman who was a white belt in the competition. He appeared to be well past 60, possibly in his 70's.

Jerry Johnson
20th May 2004, 20:13
Thanks Jeff I will try that. And I will look into Judo. I use to pay no attention to Judo beyond a being aware of it. Thanks to everyone here I have really come to appreciate learning about it. It has also made me look at modern vs. traditional arts differently.


Traditionally you have the "Bushido Code" per se, and I never realize the modern and influenced, from the "bushi" to the western formats of thinking of Kano. Very interesting. I am terming it for me the "Hidden Judo."

I will try a Judo class, pictures just don't cut what Kano did. :)

Btw, me being unable so far to access a web-page is no big deal, I appreciate everyone's help. I can access the info on another machine which uses a different IP. I just wanted to know what is going on.

Thanks.

Joseph Svinth
21st May 2004, 02:34
I checked all the URLs I listed, and they worked for me. So my guess is it's something at your end, perhaps having to do with how you have your spam filters set. Remember, some sites require cookies and don't allow anonymous visitors. If nothing else works, go to the public library, and download the articles there.

BTW, there's also Kano's brief article, "Olympic Games and Japan," originally published in Dai Nippon (1936), 197-199, which has been reprinted in "Martial Arts in the Modern World," 2003.

Jerry Johnson
21st May 2004, 16:51
Mr. Svinth,

Thanks, I hate when the obvious is often over-looked for something less obivious. I will try it.

And thanks for the reference as well.

With great appreication,