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Margaret Lo
26th May 2000, 15:36
Joe you may have access to this information. Do you know how much professional martial arts instructors make in the US? I mean full time teachers in commercial clubs in cities, malls etc.... I do not mean instructors who teach on the side at university clubs or YMCAs unless they also have a commercial club.

Just curious.
-M-

MarkF
27th May 2000, 08:39
No, I am not Joe, Margaret, but why not the YMCA? I have known some Y clubs which charged as much as the mall guys. Of course, I am speaking of NYC and one was located in lower "Manahatty." This was in the early senventies and they charged seventy dollars per month. This did include, however, the fee for joining the Y for a year. The one "studio" type club I started with charged ten dollars/mo., and the guy did make a living with it. This was the early sixties.

Sorry I don't have the figures, but if some of the people here just post what they are paying at the private McDojo, an average may be had. http://216.10.1.92/ubb/wink.gif



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Mark F. Feigenbaum

will szlemko
27th May 2000, 09:49
Hi,

I also am not Joe. During vacations I always visit other dojo and try a new perspective. Twice in the last year I have been offered teaching jobs that were between $4500-$5000 a month. One was in Florida, and one was in Ohio. For both of these I was expected to teach 6 days a week with hours varying depending on the day but roughly a total of 45-60 hours weekly. The interesting part was that both of these offers were from Korean stylists.

will

Mitch Saret
28th May 2000, 23:02
Guess what? I'm not Joe either. I do, however, get NAPMA's free monthly mag, MA Pro, and awhile back they listed the figures you are looking for, I think. They were from submitted survey's so accuracy may be embellished by those who said they were making more than they actually were. I will try to locate the issue and get back to you.

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With respect,

Mitch Saret

Margaret Lo
30th May 2000, 16:00
For a bunch of guys who aren't Joe Svinth you did ok. http://216.10.1.92/ubb/biggrin.gif. Thank you.

I thought there must have been enough money in the McDojos to support their owners, and I always knew the Koreans were the most business savvy - but specifically how much is always interesting.

-M-

MarkF
3rd June 2000, 06:41
This is what I found on similar instructors, including "karate instructors," at the bureau of labor statistics:


Median hourly earnings of sports and physical training instructors and coaches were $10.69 in 1998. The middle 50 percent earned between $6.54 and $16.48 an hour. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $5.70 and the highest 10 percent earned more than $23.10 an hour. Median hourly earnings in the industries employing the largest number of sports and physical training instructors and coaches in 1997 were as follows:

Colleges and universities $13.70
Elementary and secondary schools 11.00
Miscellaneous amusement and recreation services 9.70
Civic and social associations 7.80

Earnings vary by education level, certification, and geographic region. Some instructors and coaches are paid a salary, others may be paid by the hour, per session, or based on the number of participants.



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Mark F. Feigenbaum

Joseph Svinth
3rd June 2000, 11:22
Hey, I get here eventually...

I honestly don't know anybody who makes his or her living fulltime from teaching MA. (Yes, teaching MA may be the fellow's fulltime job, but the military/police retirement or the subsidies from the wealthy parents are what pay the bills.)

The only price range I've seen locally was a job listing put out by the Washington State Job Services folks (i.e., unemployment). This was for a TKD teacher in the Olympia area, and the ad stated that s/he had to be at least 18 and a 4-dan (!). As I recall,it paid about $2000 a month for 40 hours a week, with no benefits or 401K plan.

At the other end of the spectrum there is a guy in Los Angeles who charges something like $3000 a session for training in taiji esoteric sexual methods. I have his address, if anyone is interested.

Joseph Svinth
3rd June 2000, 11:39
On the Internet, I find this:

Athletic Trainers, Scouts, Official Scorers, and Timekeepers.

This occupation's percentile wage estimates:

Percentile 10% 25% Median 75% 90%
Annual Wage $11,920 $13,890 $22,210 $38,830 *

* = a percentile wage above $60.01 per hour or $124,821 per year

A percentile wage shows what percentage of workers in an occupation earn less than a given wage and what percentage earn more. The median wage is the 50th percentile wage estimate--50 percent of workers earn less than the median and 50 percent of workers earn more than the median. More about percentile wages.

Hourly wage estimates are not available because workers in this occupation typically work fewer than 2,080 hours per year.


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Try "salary information" or some such as your keywords on the Internet.


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Joe
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Tetsutaka
3rd June 2000, 13:29
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joseph Svinth:
At the other end of the spectrum there is a guy in Los Angeles who charges something like $3000 a session for training in taiji esoteric sexual methods. I have his address, if anyone is interested.
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Uhh... a guy charging women to have sex? Why didn't I think of that? He is teaching women, right? This is Los Angelos we're talking about here, so never assume anything...

Ewwwwwwwwww...

But seriously folks,

Has anyone gotten any information from MA organizations on this? I would imagine they would have compiled some kind of data. But then again, the trick is the reliability of the information given.

Oh, and as an aside: I was talking to a TKD rep on the phone, and she was proud to announce that there was a 6th dan on staff and was 24 years old. How could you learn from anyone that old? http://216.10.1.92/ubb/biggrin.gif And they charge $39 per week BTW - YES - per week...


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"You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you."

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Jim Hadden
3rd June 2000, 13:52
You might want to try the Bureau of Labor Statistics at www.bls.gov (http://www.bls.gov)

Jim Hadden

Tetsutaka
5th June 2000, 14:29
Thanks Mark,

Thus is the reason that I work for IBM. http://216.10.1.92/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Houston Haynes (http://home.nc.rr.com/houstonandjulie)
"You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you."

Margaret Lo
5th June 2000, 15:50
Ok I'll stay a lawyer. Thanks all. http://216.10.1.92/ubb/smile.gif



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Margaret Lo
5th June 2000, 17:27
sorry double post.
-M-


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Michael Morning
8th June 2000, 22:20
I have to agree with the above that I don't know anyone who makes their living full time from teaching martial arts. The guys that are most successful at it have multiple schools and have branched into selling supplies, doing national seminars, consulting for police and other law-enforcement agencies, etc. In very large cities like LA and NYC there are some very large schools where the owners can make a living. But I've lived in the midwest, northeast and southeast and knew no one able to make a living just from martial arts instruction.

The best wages I ever made was when I worked part time at a health club and taught martial arts by way of all private training (from students I found via the health club). Between those two complimenting activities - in the resort area of the Hamptons (Long Island, NY) - I was able to make about $30,000+ This was back in '92/'93 and I didn't know what a good thing I had going at the time. Silly me. If I wanted to make that same money again, I'd have to invest some big bucks to open a school, advertise, etc. (i.e. spend a small fortune just to make a smaller fortune). No thanks! I do much better than that now without all the headaches.



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Michael A. Morning
"Success (and mastery) is a journey, not a destination"