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aikironin
22nd October 2005, 09:04
Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone had any information that they could give me regarding starting a study group on Daito Ryu. I have attempted contact with a few individuals and have thus far come up with nothing. I know the mainline Daito Ryu under Kondo Sensei has study groupd, but I am having a hard time coming up with any contacts to see if I could even affiliate with them.

What I would like some help with is who to contact and what things (other than people) I would need to get going on this. I have a very small group of people who share my passion for traditional arts and we have decided that we want to seek out Daito Ryu, if possible. Now since there are no instructors in my local or even immediate area, this is what we have come up with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Brandon A. Needham

Shison
24th October 2005, 19:15
I've been "out of the loop" for a while, so to speak, but just south of you in Oregon (It's a heck of a trip I admit, but I drove there from Hood River when I was "more active" in the Martial Arts) there's a Roppokai group. The closest "mainline" I can think of off the top of my pathetic head (Not enough Coffee this AM) is in Cali someplace.
Best bet is to keep checking this post, and see if someone who has more authority or is more qualified on the subject (Which is pretty much everyone else on the board) chimes in with their two-cents worth. :)

Nathan Scott
24th October 2005, 21:23
Hello,

"Study groups" can mean anything from a formalized "probationary" dojo to an informal group of distance-students who practice together when qualified instruction is not available. As such, I would imagine "study groups" under some variation of these definitions is possible with most if not all Daito-ryu groups. Some would just be easier to establish than others.

If you are thinking of approaching the more conservative branches of Daito-ryu, I would suggest approaching them with the idea of simply training. If accepted as a student(s), you may or may not be allowed to study together in a semi-formal sense (ie: wear the group uniform, etc.). The more conservative branches are not as attracted to the idea of creating large groups of students as they are about finding the right kind of students who will actually make sacrifices to receive their training.

If I were you, I'd try to educate myself as much as possible about the various branches of Daito-ryu, decide which idiology you would like to pursue/support, and do your best to get accepted as a student. The branches of Daito-ryu are all significantly different. Find the right branch/teacher, and the rest should fall in to place eventually.

Regards,

aikironin
25th October 2005, 18:11
Nathan,I appreciate your reply, and you are right finding the right branch is needed, and I beleive I have done this. I have a small group of serious people (4 including myself) that want to learn Daito Ryu.


I have been on contact with a very nice gentleman in NJ and will be going to his dojo to train probably at the begining of the year (can't go to much due to me being on the west coast in Washington). He is mainline under Kondo Sensei. I will also be attending the seminar in Oct. 2006, and if there is an Aiki Expo this coming year I am hoping to attend that as well.

But, thank you very much for all the input and I am happy to be on my way!!!!

Sincerely,

yoj
26th October 2005, 00:41
Brandon, as you have a body of people, you could do worse than to invite him out for a week of intensive training and share the cost, so all of you have a collective knoweldge to bounce off each other, and promise to just practice within the group, until such time as you are skilled enough to take on new students, then check in with him regularly to check technique etc. This end of stuff _needs_ direct transmission.

aikironin
26th October 2005, 17:26
You are correct, but I do not want to take students since I am not a teacher and it will probably be a long time before I would be able to do so anyway. And I will consider having teachers come out and sharing cost, we have actually tossed that idea around, just need to formalize some contacts first. I plan on attending a couple schools and going from there to see how receptive it will be.

Again, thank you everyone all input is very appreciated. I hope to train with some of you oneday.

Sincerely

Yama Kai Bushi
7th November 2005, 16:47
Brandon, Russell McCartney has a dojo in Seattle. He is a fantastic swordsman and is an aiki jujutsu instructor ( not sure of his background in aiki). Here is his website. http://www.ishiyamaryu.com/default.html

Hope this helps,

Mike England
www.aikijujitsu.com

kenkyusha
7th November 2005, 23:30
Please note that the title of this thread is "Daito Ryu Training groups"... Mr. McCartney might be a really nice fellow and the bestest 'aikijujutsu' feller in Seattle, but he doesn't seem to bear sanction from a legitimate school of DR.

Be well,
Jigme

aikironin
9th November 2005, 03:31
Well, I want to say thank you to all that have responded. I have been in contact with an individual who studies/instructs Daito Ryu and it seems as though I will be making a trip to the east coast a couple times and attending seminars as well.


We will see where it goes but I want to thank everyone for the responses. Perhaps some of us can meet at some point and train.

Yama Kai Bushi
9th November 2005, 13:42
Please note that the title of this thread is "Daito Ryu Training groups"... Mr. McCartney might be a really nice fellow and the bestest 'aikijujutsu' feller in Seattle, but he doesn't seem to bear sanction from a legitimate school of DR.

Be well,
Jigme

Kenkyusha, Just trying to be helpful to Aikironin with my reply. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend the forum police.

Mike England

kokumo
9th November 2005, 15:31
Kenkyusha, Just trying to be helpful to Aikironin with my reply. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend the forum police.

Mike England

Mr. England:

With all due respect, I think that your use of the phrase "forum police" confuses private individuals who provide accurate information with those who are formally tasked with the enforcement of regulations.

Best,

Fred Little

Yama Kai Bushi
9th November 2005, 18:02
Mr. England:

With all due respect, I think that your use of the phrase "forum police" confuses private individuals who provide accurate information with those who are formally tasked with the enforcement of regulations.

Best,

Fred Little

My apologies. Have a great day.

Mike England

aikironin
9th November 2005, 21:52
I did check the link that you placed on here Mr. England, however I could not figure out what Mr. McCartney did teach other than sword work. It says that he studied Aikido but doesn't mention what type of Aikijujutsu he studied, which only makes me suspect. But, none the less, I think I have found what I ahve been looking for.......FINALLY!!!!! And hope it takes off from there. Again, thank you all for your responses, and Mr. Scott, thank you as well.

I received the 2 Kondo Sensei vids and have been doing more research on the different branches as well to which I hope the one I ahve been in email and phone contact with works out. Anyway, have a great day all!!!!

In Budo,

jasoncarrier
17th November 2005, 19:13
Brandon,

If you do not want to fly to the east coast Kiyama Sensei, is in San Louis Obispo, in California. His son Danny also teaches in LA.

Jason

aikironin
17th November 2005, 20:25
Which line of Daito Ryu is it that he teaches Jason??? And with whom has he studied? Any information would be appreciated!

Brandon

Ron Tisdale
17th November 2005, 21:14
North American Director Of Daito Ryu Kodo Kai

Best,
Ron

Carlos Estrella
17th November 2005, 21:22
The Daito Ryu Kodo Kai is one of the more "closed" associations in Daito Ryu. There are a few groups in the US, mostly in California, New York and Virginia.

Daito Ryu Kodo Kai was founded by Kodo Horikawa, a senior student of Sokaku Takeda. The best source of general info on the Kodo Kai (other than the organization itself) is the plethora of articles and the books on Daito Ryu done by Stanley Prannin of Aikido Journal/Aiki News.

I'm not a rep of the Kodo Kai so it wouldn't be proper to get into more detail, except to say that if you're looking for "real deal," you can't go wrong here. Just remember that the organization is NOT looking for publicity (think Sagawa here). Also be prepared to experience a bit of PAIN, as this is also NOT Aikido of ANY variety (in other words, don't go in expecting that your ukemi is good enough or your pain tolerance is sufficient... have a VERY open mind).

Hope this helps those who want to learn.

Regards,

Carlos

PS: Hi Jason!!! Sorry I missed congratulating you on your promo when I was in VA. If you come out to the West Coast to go to the NA HQ for Kiyama Shihan, etc., PM me and we'll do lunch or something!

jasoncarrier
20th November 2005, 23:02
He teaches Kodo Kai, he trained under Kodo himself and then under Inoue, and now, I will screw up the spelling under Shimpo. He is a very nice humble man. He is very good. He will let anyone feel his tech, unlike many Daito Ryu people. It would not be a waste of your time. However, do not take my word check him out for yourself.

Jason

jasoncarrier
20th November 2005, 23:08
Carlos,

Thanks for the congrads. We just got back form another weekend seminar with Sensei Goldberg. You are right about the ukimi. He steped it up a bit for us this last time. Good time On Sat. we spent 12 hour on the mat, and 6 on Sunday. Send me an email I travel allot as well as many of us do here in VA. My email is carrierjason@hotmail.com.

I know we do not advertise much but if he is on the west coast he could do worse than to go out and see Kiyama.

Jason

Nathan Scott
23rd November 2005, 00:58
Hello all,

The North American Headquarters for Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu Kodokai, under the direction of Kiyama Shihan, has asked me to post the following quoted below to this forum on their behalf.

My impression is that the NA Honbu Dojo would prefer that those with questions about the Kodokai, Kiyama Shihan, and/or possible training opportunities within the group contact them directly rather than seeking (often erroneous) information about these subjects on the internet. It seems that many of the comments on the internet about the Kodokai are coming from either people who have little direct experience with the Kodokai or who are not even members:


For current information about training opportunities within Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu Kodokai in North America, interested parties are encouraged to contact our North American Headquarters in San Luis Obispo, CA by sending an e-mail to kodoaiki@earthlink.net . Those wishing for training information in the east coast area can also request contact information for Roy Goldberg through the above email address.

Please do not attempt to contact Kiyama Shihan directly.

Regards,

jasoncarrier
23rd November 2005, 20:56
Agreed,

Just wanted to point them in the direction of close training.

J

Nathan Scott
24th November 2005, 23:47
Jason,

Yeah, I can appreciate your intention, but your posts were some of the ones that apparently contained errors and/or was information that the Kodokai would have prefered to keep off the internet.

For what it's worth, my experience in general has been that, if you have not been invited to be a "spokesman" for an art, it is best to be very careful about what you say - or what you think you know - publicly. Usually an art will select someone who has full knowledge of things and is also aware of what things an art would like and would not like to offer to the public. I mention this because that is a position I was in for about 10 years with Obata Sensei's organizations, and was usually the one to ream others out for getting us into fights with other groups or posting/publishing incorrect or sensitive information publicly. I can tell you that some people got in a lot of trouble for making such mistakes.

If the Kodokai wants to post the names and locations of their instructors and dojo on the net (in America or in Japan), I'm sure they will select someone to do so. In the meantime, we now have a contact email address for such questions. ;)

FWIW,

jasoncarrier
30th November 2005, 17:25
Very true

Thanks

Jason Carrier
5th October 2006, 22:43
Does any one know of a Daito Ryu group in Canberra?

Jason Carrier

Bushidokai Cho
13th March 2008, 00:43
To expedite communication, Roy Goldberg Sensei can be reached directly by those interested in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu Kodo Kai in the Eastern US, by e-mailing him at aikishingen@yahoo.com.

Dave LoPriore
Member of Daito Ryu Kodo Kai

Nathan Scott
8th April 2008, 19:32
Does any one know of a Daito Ryu group in Canberra?

No, what's a "Canberra"? ;)

Ron Tisdale
8th April 2008, 19:52
No, what's a "Canberra"? ;)

And more importantly, does it taste good???

Best,
Ron (jujutsu been berry berry good to me [slap me now, please...])

Dianhsuhe
27th September 2010, 20:44
Brandon,

If you do not want to fly to the east coast Kiyama Sensei, is in San Louis Obispo, in California. His son Danny also teaches in LA.

Jason

Do you have any contact info. for 'Danny" or anyone in the Los Angeles area?

Thanks!
James in San Diego

Nathan Scott
28th September 2010, 06:08
Mr. Gibson,

Check your PM's.

Regards,

J.Canon
16th October 2010, 15:34
Hello,

And thank you for the opportunity to sincerely ask about any Daitoryu Kodokai instruction in Houston, Tx. I am relatively new to the Houston area. I have a sincere interest and great appreciation toward Daitoryu Kodokai. I have tried the internet and found no resources indicating instruction in my area. I have contacted the following webpage http://uskodokai.org/website.swf several months ago, and haven't gotten a response. I am wondering if that is the correct page I need to go to?

Any help in knowing if there is Daitoryu Kodokai instruction in the Houston Tx area would be greatly appreciated.

George Ledyard
16th July 2014, 09:14
Aikido Eastside in Bellevue, WA has a study group which is overseen by Howard Popkin Sensei. Popkin Sensei trained under Okamoto Seigo in the Daito Ryu Roppokai. He and Joe Brogna Sensei recently formed their own organization named the Daito Ryu Ginjukai. Popkin Sensei and / or Brogna Sensei come to our dojo several times a year to conduct seminars including their West Coast 4-Day Intensive held each summer.

Aikido Eastside is an Aikido school and all of the students in the Daito Ryu Study Group are Aikido students who cross train. The dedicated Daito Ryu class meets only once per week. So, our school would be an adequate place to get some very basic exposure to this very soft branch of Daito Ryu but someone wishing to be really serious should contact Popkin Sensei who lives in New York state.

Hissho
17th July 2014, 06:35
Just learned of these folks:

http://hoshudojo.com/

Marcus_P
21st July 2014, 21:41
I'm one of the Hoshu Dojo folks responding on behalf of Tom Groendal, the head instructor who is having issues registering for the forum at the moment.

Tom teaches Daito-Ryu in Portland, OR, and you can find out more about his lineage on the Portland section of the website (http://hoshudojo.com/portland/) and in the instructors section (http://hoshudojo.com/instructors/).

Our teacher, Goto-Sensei, is actually coming in August and we will be hosting an "Introduction to Daito Ryu Seminar" in Oregon, if anyone is interested in attending. You can find more information about the seminar here: http://hoshudojo.com/2014-portland-seminar/

Out of interest, how did you hear about us? We are always happy to make more connections within the community.

Thanks,
-Marcus

Cliff Judge
21st July 2014, 22:33
Hi Marcus,

I am curious about Kei Goto Sensei's history and lineage. Is there any information available?

Thanks,
Cliff Judge

thomasgroendal
27th July 2014, 16:15
Hi Marcus,

I am curious about Kei Goto Sensei's history and lineage. Is there any information available?

Thanks,
Cliff Judge

Cliff,
He was a student of Takeda Tokimune.

Jose Garrido
8th August 2014, 18:17
Hello Marcus,

Do you have a little bit more info other than that he was a student of Tokimune Takeda? Was he a Kyoju Dairi?

Thanks,

Jose'

Jose Garrido
13th August 2014, 23:35
I just read your PDF for your seminar and it clearly stated that Goto sensei has a Kyoju form Takeda Sensei. I hope you guys have a good turnout.

Jose Garrido

Kinomo_Dojo
18th March 2016, 01:50
Hi can I enroll for white belt in Daito-ryu.

thomasgroendal
18th March 2016, 17:29
Hi can I enroll for white belt in Daito-ryu.

I don't know anything about Daito Ryu in the Phillipines, but if there is a dojo I'd simply contact them. My knowledge outside our lineage is quite limited, but my impression is that most are welcoming.