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Gibukai
16th May 2006, 16:39
Hello,

since I am not really adept with the Okinawan dialect, the following question arose:

The Japanese spelling of a term generally used for grappling techniques and the like is, of course, “torite” 取手
. Now I see the pronunciation “tuite” everywhere. I, with my very limited understanding of the dialect, would guess that it should read “tuidi” if pronounced Okinawan. Am I wrong?

Regards,

Henning Wittwer

thomas_james
17th May 2006, 12:26
Now I see the pronunciation “tuite” everywhere. I, with my very limited understanding of the dialect, would guess that it should read “tuidi” if pronounced Okinawan. Am I wrong?


You're right, "tuidi" is the correct okinawan spelling.

Gibukai
18th May 2006, 08:02
Hello,

thanks for the note. Now the question: where or who originated the term "tuite"? I read it in a book by S. Oyata. If anybody has an idea, please let me know.

Regards,

Henning Wittwer

shoshinkan
18th May 2006, 23:53
I think Oyata sensei was the person who made the term tuite popular.

Shikiyanaka
23rd May 2006, 12:42
Is Tuidi in the Okinawan meaning the same as Torite in Japanese, i.e. ancient policemen specialised in dealing with, capturing,
and arresting criminals, and thus possibly describing the origin of it as a means of law enforcement in Ryukyu kingdom (although Ryukyu law enforcers had a comparably easy life, I guess)?

Or is it the more modern Budō meaning of simply generally describing techniques of arresting?

Or non of it?

Gibukai
24th May 2006, 08:47
Hello,

this is really an interesting question! And you would not believe it, I asked me the same question. At least the kanji are the same, as you know...

Regards,

Henning Wittwer

Alex Hallwyler
24th May 2006, 22:10
As far as I know "Tuite" is a term made popular by Oyata. Before that I don't believe it was used. It is strange that he opted to use a Hogan pronounciation and Japanese pronounciation for a single term. As an aside, I have found that some often confuse tuidi with toudi, (tode), being the okinawan pronounciation for karate, referring to 19th century Chuan-fa based practices.