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Ade
2nd November 2006, 10:44
Dear All

Gassho

Lots of newbies, lots of ways of tying our belt knot.

Has anyone got a step by step diagram of how to do it.

If not can somebody please make one (I'm too lazy and stupid!)

Otherwise I am in extreme danger of strangling the next newbie that saunters up to me and says:

"How do you tie this again mate?" :rolleyes:

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Kesshu

Sontschi
2nd November 2006, 11:02
gassho sensei ade!
i wonder about your post.please look here: http://www.shorinji.co.uk/kenshi/belt.html
press the button "printable version" , print it and then you have a nice step by step diagram for your newbies. ;)
kesshu, sonja

Joerg
2nd November 2006, 11:51
gassho sensei ade!
i wonder about your post.please look here: http://www.shorinji.co.uk/kenshi/belt.html
press the button "printable version" , print it and then you have a nice step by step diagram for your newbies. ;)
kesshu, sonja

:nono: :nono: Naaaa, no way he can use that. It's the old Shorinji Kempo mark this Kenshi has on the dogi. That's close to illegal stuff there on that website ;)

Sontschi
2nd November 2006, 12:43
:eek: sorry, how could i ignore this. maybe i need glasses. my eyes only saw a round thing with many dots in it. but maybe he can cut away the mark or put black bars on it. i was tempted to do it myself, but i will desist before i will go to jail for breaching the copyright.

Tripitaka of AA
2nd November 2006, 13:21
Have a look at this thread (http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35661) (see particularly post #5, from the Moderator Brian Owens).

Does that meet your needs?

luar
2nd November 2006, 14:46
I found this (http://www.stanford.edu/group/kenpo/belt-tie.shtml).

ken70
2nd November 2006, 16:30
I think this is better : site d'Amiens : comment nouer sa ceinture (http://budoclub.amiens.free.fr/ceinture.php) :p

satsukikorin
2nd November 2006, 17:58
Okay, none of those diagrams that I see has put me at ease. Maybe I missed something along the way, but...

Leaving the knot aside, the key mistake that I see over and over--including from yuudansha--is that the belt IN THE BACK crosses over. That's a mistake. When the belt is tied correctly, the two layers in the back should sit flat, as if they were a single, even line.

The only way that I know to achieve this is NOT to start by centering the belt, but instead to start by holding one end so that it hangs at about the length you want it to dangle after you've finished the knot. Then wrap the rest twice around your waist.

As for the knot itself, a key point I was taught in Japan is that the dangling ends must go sideways. Under no circumstances should they go up and down (although reportedly it is okay in Korean styles), because in Japan, funeral corpses have a sash tied such that the ends come out up and down from the knot.

The finished knot should (slightly) resemble an arrow pointed sideways. The dangly ends may optionally be tucked over and down through the two layers of waistband.

Sorry I don't have a diagram for you. There may be multiple ways to achieve the correct style--in fact, one or more of the diagrams MIGHT be right, but I am not confident of that, especially since none of them show a view from the back.

:)

Rob Gassin
2nd November 2006, 21:12
The Double knot version posted by Laurent is an interesting variation I have not come across before. Here in the antipodes, we have a slight variation on the basic knot which results in a larger, flatter knot with the free ends pointing sideways.

It is a bit difficult to explain without a diagram but I' ll try.

At the 2nd last step, on the link posted by Raul (post #6), the free end on the right (on top) of the obi is threaded (loosely) downwards through the belt just infront of the left free end. The left free end is now threaded through the loop at the top of the right free end. Both ends are pulled gently to the sides.

It's actually easier to do than it sounds.

Good luck :) .

colin linz
2nd November 2006, 22:07
This is from our web site (http://www.shorinjikempo.org.au/TieYourBelt.html) It appears to be the same picture as one of the others from another site.

ken70
3rd November 2006, 06:34
In fact that's interesting, a series of photographs to show how to make a knot :)
I'll make a series of it on the web site of my dojo.

Why don't make a small contest, to choose the best method…? :p

Tripitaka of AA
3rd November 2006, 11:18
A variation on the same theme, an animated sequence (http://judoinfo.com/obiknot.htm) from Judoinfo.com.

ken70
3rd November 2006, 12:29
Yes!!! :p
Here it is the .gif :

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8418/obiknotec9.gif

(From Judoinfo.com) :)

luar
3rd November 2006, 13:44
Oh this can never work as there is no such thing as a grey-white belt. :p

dirk.bruere
4th November 2006, 17:52
Is the method most of us use both official AND compulsory?

Dirk

Steve Williams
5th November 2006, 13:54
Dear All

Gassho

Lots of newbies, lots of ways of tying our belt knot.

Has anyone got a step by step diagram of how to do it.


Look on our site
http://www.shorinjikempo.harrow.ac.uk/tieYourBelt.aspx

And it looks good too..... ;)

Ade
5th November 2006, 15:06
Gassho

What a fantastic website. :)

Kesshu

Nadine
5th November 2006, 16:54
Look on our site
http://www.shorinjikempo.harrow.ac.uk/tieYourBelt.aspx

Couldn`t you have posted this earlier? :rolleyes:


If not can somebody please make one (I'm too lazy and stupid!)

Well! For nothing I was awake the whole night in order to create a perfect photo-sequence for Ade-sensei... :(