Uchinadi => Nippon-den Karate-do Kata

[Paul Steadman]

Hi Again All,

Would I be safe to assume the the following generalisation of kata sources:

1- Pinan => Heian
2- Naihanchi => Tekki
3- Passai => Bassai
4- Jitte => Jutte
5- Useishi => Gojushiho
6- Niseishi => Nijushiho
7- Seisan => Hangetsu
8- Wankan => Enpi
9- Rohai => Meikyo
10- Kosukun => Kanku
11- Chinto => Gankaku
12- Jionji => Jion
13 etc, etc, etc..........

The above is probably obvious (this is the first time I've posted a question at the RUMA forum), but I wonder why Funakoshi-Sensei changed the names of the kata?

Regards,

Paul Steadman

[Mark Tankosich]

Paul,

To quote Master Funakoshi:

"... almost all the names of the kata were of Okinawan origin... No one, by now, had any idea how they had come into being, and people found them difficult to learn. Accordingly,...I began to give the kata names that were easier for the Japanese people to use..."

(from "Karate-do: My way of life" page 36

Best,

Mark Tankosich

[Rob Alvelais]

Paul,

Your list reflects the changes adopted by the Shotokan group primarily. Other Japanese styles didn't adopt the names given by Funakoshi. (Also, WanSHU was the kata that Funakoshi renamed to Empi).

I believe your list should be:


Okinawa----------Shotokan----------Shito Ryu ---------Wado Ryu

1- Pinan---------- Heian---------------Pinan------------Pinan
2- Naihanchi-----Tekki --------------Naihanchi-----------Naihanchi
3- Passai---------Bassai ------------Bassai ------------ Bassai
4- Jitte -----------Jutte-----------------Jutte---------------Jitte
5- Useishi--------Gojushiho---------Gojushiho
6- Niseishi--------Nijushiho----------Niseishi
7- Seisan---------Hangetsu ---------Seisan------------Seishan
8- WanSHU-------Enpi--------------Wanshu
9- Rohai-----------Meikyo-------------Rohai ------------Rohai
10- kusanku------Kanku------------Kosokun----------Kushanku
11- Chinto--------Gankaku----------Chinto---------- Chinto
12- Jion------------Jion--------------- Jion------------- Jion
13 WanKan----------Wankan----------Matsukaze

(Names of the wado kata come from the JKF Wado Kai video series)

Regards,

Rob Alvelais

[Keith Frederick]

In the Shito-Ryu (Hayashi-Ha Shito-Ryu) schools I've been to, Heian is used.

When I originally started practicing Hayashi-Ha Shito-Ryu. Pinan was used but then there was a change and Heian started to be used (and lots of the kata got techniques shortened and strikes were change to be done in a higher stance and some other changes.)

- Keith

[zach]

Originally posted by Paul Steadman
Hi Again All,

Would I be safe to assume the the following generalisation of kata sources:

1- Pinan => Heian
2- Naihanchi => Tekki
3- Passai => Bassai
4- Jitte => Jutte
5- Useishi => Gojushiho
6- Niseishi => Nijushiho
7- Seisan => Hangetsu
8- Wankan => Enpi
9- Rohai => Meikyo
10- Kosukun => Kanku
11- Chinto => Gankaku
12- Jionji => Jion
13 etc, etc, etc..........

The above is probably obvious (this is the first time I've posted a question at the RUMA forum), but I wonder why Funakoshi-Sensei changed the names of the kata?

Regards,

Paul Steadman

As I understand it Wankan is Matsukaze (could be wrong on the name) it's Wansu that was used to develop Empi.

[Rob Alvelais]

Originally posted by Keith Frederick
In the Shito-Ryu (Hayashi-Ha Shito-Ryu) schools I've been to, Heian is used.

When I originally started practicing Hayashi-Ha Shito-Ryu. Pinan was used but then there was a change and Heian started to be used (and lots of the kata got techniques shortened and strikes were change to be done in a higher stance and some other changes.)

- Keith


What I've been told by karate sensei who were also native speakers of Japanese, is that "Heian" is the Japanese pronounciation of the kanji for "Pinan" . That, it's the difference in pronounciation between Japanese and the Okinawan dialect, but the idiograms for Heian and Pinan are the same.


Rob