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Charlie Kondek
27th August 2001, 18:01
Hey, all. I have been thinking about my favorite throw. One of the black belts at the club was telling us mudansha that we should take the waza that we're the best at and "make it our own." So I'm going to start studying this one more carefully.

Uki waza is my favorite throw. I have been thinking about it a lot and was wondering if anybody had any insights or tips on the attack?

Seems to me that it works best when someone is giving you their forward momentum, but you could also step to your right front corner and then drop.

Also, it seems to me that if the opponent's weight is not on their front leg as you drop, they won't go.

And that trapping the foot with the leg you drop is good but not necessary.

Also, one should practice it so that if the throw goes off you immediately roll onto the opponent's chest or side in a hold like tate shiho gatame?

Any thoughts? Tips? Anecdotes?

dakotajudo
28th August 2001, 01:26
You might get some insight if you consider that uki waza, yoko otoshi and tani otoshi are pretty much the same throw, from different angles with respect to uke. It's a bit of an oversimplification, but good for analysis.

efb8th
5th September 2001, 21:32
Hi, Charlie.

I find that if I attack with a right uki goshi, uke often tends to defend by pushing my waist away and down to gain separation from the attack. If I step forward-left at the moment he pushes to defend, and I drop into uki waza, I have the momentum to make the throw work, or at least a good opportunity.

Regards,

MarkF
6th September 2001, 07:16
Hi, Charlie,
If you are going to make this your tokui-waza (favorite/best technique), better have a plan. Ed is right on in that you begin in shinzen-hidari, or similar posture on either side, backing uke up so that he puts force on you so that you back up, the footwork should be pretty exact.

I'm not sure I consider those throws mentioned, eg, yoko otoshi the same, but you can get there with the same, basic balance.

Bottom line, making a sac. throw your "best" nage waza is something you will have to have an escape as any kosen or newaza specialist will collapse on you and have you controlled in something, so the groundwork which you mention in your post should also become a tokui-waza, singular or plural. Scrambling to it is good practice from these types of sac. throws.

That was certainly my favorite sac. throw, though mine would probably be more yoko otoshi than uki-waza. Main difference, I think, would be in how close to the trunk of uke you are when you drop and throw. Do all at the same time, and it probably would be difficult to classify.

It works great on wrestlers, too, particularly the ones on the big side. They don't go into a roll, but they do go down, sometimes right on the knee, and iiiyahaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhaha, that hurts. This gives just enough time to grab and turn him over for a possible pin, at least that was my best takedown until they caught on. But then you can change up, get closer, letting him push you around until you drop bringing him with you.

I'm not sure whether it was scored against me when I dropped, but it didn't matter as a pin is right there anyway. Throws don't count.:)

Mark

Charlie Kondek
6th September 2001, 14:19
Isn't it funny how you don't really get to choose your tokui-waza? It's a throw that just sort of "happens"? I don't think I had even practiced uki-waza that much when I started pulling it off consistently on my sparring partners. It just sort of happened. So I figured if that was my strongest throw, I'd better go with that one. One of the instructors at my club says, "Yeah, your first good ippon, that tends to be the throw that you'll favor from then on."

Thanks for the pointers, all. I've been working on making sure I roll into a favorable newaza position every time I try the throw. Still working on the set-up, trying to get the person to give me their momentum. Good advice, here.

I think uki-waza is extremely useful: even if you sort of screw it up, you can turn it into a newaza advantage. If the person goes down on their stomach, you can roll on top of their back. If they come down on you, you can always try to slip into the guard immediately. Hm. Stuff to ponder.

Anyone know if uki-waza was one of the throws in that series of books devoted to different techniques?

Ben Reinhardt
10th September 2001, 02:19
I think you will find Uki Waza does not lend ittself well to success in shiai as a tokui waza. Uke can turn out of it fairly well and avoid our potential ne waza follow up.

The first big ippon I ever scored was with Ouchi Gari. It was also one of the last ippon I ever scored with Ouchi Gari. I was a white belt and my opponent was a Ikkyu.

Same with Hiza Guruma against other mudansha.

As to focusing on one tokui waza when you are a mudansha, especially not even a brown belt: I think I would avoid that. You have not experienced the rest of Judo yet !

Ben Reinhardt

Charlie Kondek
10th September 2001, 13:11
No, I see what you mean, Ben. But I think what the sempai was saying was that this throw should be kind of your "trump card," and that, yeah, don't practice it to the exclusion of others.