Krappy Karate Katana Kamae (photos)

[ulvulv]

the link picked from from iaido-l is definitely among the top five on this thread.

[ulvulv]

get a grip!

[Samurai am I]

The two hours it took me to get through all of these was worth it.:D

[Soulend]

Originally posted by ulvulv
the link picked from from iaido-l is definitely among the top five on this thread.

We had it first! :D
http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22827

[kage110]

Ninja-to! (http://wcmaa.homestead.com/files/Stan_Triplett_pic.jpg):nin:

[BCentrella]

Instant caption for that one:

"I'm not just a member of the Hair Club for Ninja... I'm also the president!"

[Diane Mirro]

Originally posted by kage110
Ninja-to! (http://wcmaa.homestead.com/files/Stan_Triplett_pic.jpg):nin:

Or what about:

"IT'S THE AMAZING GINSU!!!! IT SLICES, IT DICES, IT NEVER NEEDS SHARPENING, AND IF YOU GET YOUR ORDER IN BEFORE NOVEMBER 30 WE'LL INCLUDE A SET OF GINSU STEAKKNIVES ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!"

Can you tell I'm on my lunch break?

[Scott Irey]

Diane...now listen to me...set the organic burito down and step away form the table...easy does it...nobody needs to get hurt here.

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by BCentrella
Instant caption for that one:

"I'm not just a member of the Hair Club for Ninja... I'm also the president!"
I thought it was a rather artistic photo, nice background, reasonably well lighted.

My caption: "Red sky at night, ninja's delight. Red sky in the morning, ninja take warning."

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Scott Irey
Diane...now listen to me...set the organic burito down and step away form the table...easy does it...nobody needs to get hurt here.
:D

[Diane Mirro]

Originally posted by Scott Irey
Diane...now listen to me...set the organic burito down and step away form the table...easy does it...nobody needs to get hurt here.

Yes, yes, you are absolutely right...it's been a long month--I just need to go kick back in my west Texas sky island sanctuary...think I'll spend a couple of days in the hot springs--110 degrees oughtta do it...

And you must be semi-psychic--it was an organic tamale, not a burrito...
:p

[Onmitsu]

I used to teach at a Karate school where they had a professional photographer come in a couple times a year. I wanted to take a pic in Hasso no kamae (sword vertical, held close to right shoulder) The photographer had been taking 'Karate' pictures at all the local schools for several years and insisted that I was holding the sword wrong. I had the blade edge facing forward. For some reason I let the guy talk me into facing the edge to the outside so "the sword could be seen". Now, whenever I look at that picture, all I can think is my kamae is all wrong!:o

Check out this animated gif:
http://www.jkim.com/tech_attack.html

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Onmitsu
Check out this animated gif:
http://www.jkim.com/tech_attack.html
Well aside from the funky stance and the fact that he opens up his grip at the top of his swing, his shoulders stay pretty relaxed and he has good extension. Better than a lot of what I've seen.

[ulvulv]

Watch out

[ulvulv]

rather stiff, if you ask me

[ScottUK]

Bloody hell, who's the chunky ninja above? Anyone know him?

[Steve Delaney]

Originally posted by ScottUK
Bloody hell, who's the chunky ninja above? Anyone know him?

Kamiyama. He's a member of this board mate.

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by ulvulv
rather stiff, if you ask me

Well, I've been reading this thread from time to time, and it is very funny! I do feel very sorry for these people though, for not knowing better.

Anyway, about this photo... not only does he look stiff, but what about his posture? Shouldn't he be standing straighter?

You know, this thread is actually good for beginners, so we learn how to notice good and bad kamae, etc., because we can learn from those of you who know how to recognise the incorrect things.

[ulvulv]

imo he should be standing straighter, shoulders over the hips, hands not totally outstreched. this is supposed to be a kamae from itto ryu. Maybe this is the norm in itto ryu, but I find that hard to believe. Maybe someone with more exposure to itto-ryu would care to comment.
I thought first it was chudan, but is actually named as gedan no kamae on their page. here is his chudan:

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
I thought first it was chudan, but is actually named as gedan no kamae on their page. here is his chudan:
Unless they're using terms completely different than anyone else I know of, that's not gedan no kamae (lower level posture).

I'd call the first one chudan no kamae (middle level posture) and the second one seigan no kamae (eye capturing posture), although neither is done exactly as I'd do it.

I can't speak for Itto Ryu, but I was taught that the ears, shoulders, and hips should be in a line in chudan, with the line inclined very slightly, almost imperceptably, forward -- as though standing with a stiff breeze blowing in your face. (In jodan we leaned quite a bit forward, like facing a strong wind.)

We also didn't raise out rear heels, but I understand that to be quite common, especially among shinai kendo practitioners.

[Jock Armstrong]

Yes Steve.And your point being?? What was Ralph thinking when he got snapped like that!It's very nearly a "Bussey". I think they drugged him and then set him up............

[chris davis 200]

Unless they're using terms completely different than anyone else I know of, that's not gedan no kamae (lower level posture).

Although these appear to KINDA be ono ha itto ryu postures, they are pretty poor.


The first posture is kinda half way between gendan no kamae and seigan no kamae. Although in itto ryu in the gedan posture the sword is held paralell to the ground, the body is lowered at the knees.

In seigan the rear foot is still flat and does not raise.

His arms are also Extremeley straight and tense but should be soft and more bend.

Im new to Itto Ryu but this is what i can see.

Cheers
Chris

[gendzwil]

You often see the heel raised that high in kendo, but it's still bad technique. Ideally there should be about a finger width under the left heel. When I see the picture, it looks to me like a guy with a year or two training finishing a cut. If that's meant to be some sort of kamae, I'm not sure what it is or how you could fight from there with your arms locked straight like that.

A kendo chudan would have both arms with a natural bend to them, and the left hand about a fist away from the body, kensen pointing to your opponents eyes or about throat height depending on who you talk to.

[ScottUK]

Hey hey hey, knock it off - this is about posting ridiculous pictures, not suble critique! :D

More pix, less chatter!!!

Scott

[SLeclair]

Here's my contribution....

Crappy kamae, but nice "uniform" :)

---
Sebastien L.

[ulvulv]

nothing wrong with that one

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by gendzwil
When I see the picture, it looks to me like a guy with a year or two training finishing a cut. .

yes, after 1 inch of attacking distance. Take a look at the window behind him. i guess we are witness to the equivalent of bruce lees famous one-inch punch.:D

[Chidokan]

can we have more of the catsuited girl please?;)
We need to get up to date everyone, get rid of our outdated gi and go along with the 'new wave' outfits, extreme swordsmanbship style for the boys, and the catsuit for the girls...:D
How else are we going to star in the likes of Kill Bill?
:rolleyes:

[ScottUK]

Anyone wanna ressurrect this thread?

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14607

[Ralutin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SLeclair
[B]Here's my contribution....

Crappy kamae, but nice "uniform" :)


I have two words for that picture: ME...OW...

Anyone know where she practices at and what style? Neko ryu maybe? :D

[Steve Delaney]

Originally posted by Jock Armstrong
Yes Steve.And your point being?? What was Ralph thinking when he got snapped like that!It's very nearly a "Bussey". I think they drugged him and then set him up............


Hee hee hee! :laugh: Hey he could have done it after knocking back a bottle of scotch. :toast:

[TimoS]

Anyone know where she practices at and what style? Neko ryu maybe? :D

Maybe she's from the Neko ninja clan that is featured in Usagi Yojimbo comics ? :D

[SLeclair]

Originally posted by TimoS
Maybe she's from the Neko ninja clan that is featured in Usagi Yojimbo comics ? :D

Actually, I found it in a google image search. Seems to be a cosplay thing for some webcomic promotion with 3 cat women ninja or something :) Maybe inspired from the neko ninja clan? heh.

Here's a second one (only other one I found) with all three. Nice baseball grip on the sword. Of course, she probably isn't involved with JSA (I hope).

---
Sebastien L.

[chris davis 200]

ew! rank - they could have got some nice models surely!

:D

[TimoS]

Originally posted by SLeclair
Actually, I found it in a google image search. Seems to be a cosplay thing for some webcomic promotion with 3 cat women ninja or something :) Maybe inspired from the neko ninja clan? heh.

The one with the sword does in my opinion somehow resemble Chizu from Usagi comics:

http://usagiyojimbo.com/uywho/hikiji.html

:)

[ScottUK]

This may confirm my sad bastard status, but the Kurtz attracted my attention more than the women! :p

[Ralutin]

Originally posted by SLeclair
Nice baseball grip on the sword. Of course, she probably isn't involved with JSA (I hope).


It don't matter to me...she can put a baseball grip on my "sword" anyday...:D

[Ralutin]

Originally posted by chris davis 200
ew! rank - they could have got some nice models surely!

:D

Hey, the neko ninja is totally hot...the middle one's a bit too Xena for me and I'm not sure about the pink-haired one...:rolleyes:

[chris davis 200]

Hmmmm - maybe its just cause she is holding a sword eh!

This chick on the other hand!! and i recon she is a better fighter too!
http://www.kill-bill.com/images/gallery/gogoyubari_01.jpg

[kage110]

miaoooooow!:p (note tounge hanging out on this 'smily':) )

[Ralutin]

Originally posted by chris davis 200
Hmmmm - maybe its just cause she is holding a sword eh!

This chick on the other hand!! and i recon she is a better fighter too!
http://www.kill-bill.com/images/gallery/gogoyubari_01.jpg

Yeah, she's a hottie too, but she'll have your balls twirling around your head just like that kusarigama if you're not careful...:eek:

[chris davis 200]

LOL

:D

[chris davis 200]

Now i know the delecacy of ninja topics on E budo - but ....

Talking of baseball bat grips!

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=248644

:D

[ulvulv]

livershivering delivering
eiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

[Kaoru]

Hi guys!

I found a really good one by accident through the Kendo World website on a link that got posted. I'm just giving the link, because I don't know how to post a picture. So, here it is:


http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/PicturePage/pictures/97CampKendo.jpg


There are a million things wrong with what they are doing, and I don't even know where to begin. I can't understand how they can call this Kendo. Let's see... their sonkyo is wrong-they are leaning too far forward. Their chudan is very wrong. The shinai should be pointed at the opponent's throat, not to the sky. The shinai are crossed on the wrong side, too. Mostly, you don't cross the shinai tips in sonkyo, anyway, if I am thinkng correctly. Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Oh, and not to mention, the "armor" they are using. Very odd! Hahaha! Or the uniform. But, since they really aren't Kendo people, I guess the dogi is ok, but the armor?? Ugh... The "do" isn't even tied right. I feel very sorry for these guys.

Oh, here's the link where I got the photo from. If you scroll all the way down, the photo is just a few pics from the bottom of the page, There is also a scary looking "bokken kata" photo just above the kendo one. You'll see what I mean by scary when you guys see it... I wonder what this group is up to...

http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/

[TimoS]

http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/PicturePage/pictures/97CampKendo.jpg
[/B]

Here's the picture:

[gendzwil]

You do cross the tips in sonkyo for normal practice. It's only during shinai when they have the tape lines you have to toe that there is distance between the tips.

The "bokken kata" picture looks like a half-assed attempt to teach jukendo (bayonet fighting).

[ulvulv]

I would not be too harsh on these guys, they do not pretend or claim any kind of proficiency, they just have a go at something that is not part of their daily training regime.

It is well worth a giggle though.

I would not be pictured in trying roundhouse kicks at my first karate-lesson. A lesson that I never had or will have.. :D

[Mekugi]

"Christian Jujitsu Association
Maintaining the True and Ancient Tradition of Danzan Ryu Jujitsu"

Umm...ancient huh....

[shooter_extreme]

Well after going through some of the shots in Bad Budo, well four pages of them. I feel intimidated. I did have a post on another topic asking for martial artists as photography subjects. I realize that:

1.) This is one hell of a tough crowd.

2.) I'd have to work like the devil to make any martial artist look good.

But the end result is that it will look better than most of this laughable crap. :D

Mike

[Tea Guy]

shooter_extreme,
so now you're beginning to understand! Good. Please, don't assume that we hate all photographers, but you can certainly see why we're all a bit annoyed with some of them.

C.Sieg

[Jock Armstrong]

Spot on Shooter! Theres a lot of mediocrity out there but it always seems to manage to get photographed!!
Me, I'm just too ugly..........

[kage110]

http://users.adelphia.net/~kyoshi/photos/kidskarate.bmp

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by kage110
Batter up!
This picture gave me an idea for a new law, "Brian's Law" --

"The degree of affinity for Highlander replica swords is inversely proportional to the level of skill in traditional Japanese sword arts."

[chris davis 200]

winner!

http://www.cheerleaderninjas.com/images/LG_DVD_300.jpg

:D :D :D

[samuel-t]

Originally posted by chris davis 200
winner!
:D :D :D

"They're out for revenge... Just don't ask them to spell it"

Oh, so stupid! It's BRILLIANT! :D :D :D :D :D

I think you truly got a winner there. At least so far. ;)

/Samuel

[Ye Olde corpse]

Originally posted by kage110
http://users.adelphia.net/~kyoshi/photos/kidskarate.bmp

Looks like one of the them is holding two sausages, a truly traditional martial arts weapon....

[Chidokan]

its what's left of the saya actually... after the argument that goes "if I cant have it I'm gonna make sure you aint having one either":D

[ulvulv]

?

[Sochin]

Well,

you guys hare certainly having fun but for a guy like me who doesn't know anything about the proper way to hold a sword or katana, Iju st don't get it sometimes...


How about a "right way" pic beside the wrong way pic and make this an educationl experience rather than just an exercise in snobbery?

Hmmm?

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Sochin

How about a "right way" pic beside the wrong way pic and make this an educationl experience rather than just an exercise in snobbery?

"right way" is tough as there are different right ways for different ryu. But I'll put it on the line - attached is a picture taken near the end of kendo kodachi kata #1. You can see Lance on the left there with a fairly straight posture, shoulders open and relaxed, good extension on the arm but not over-rotated in the body, wrist bending (in the good way) to reach the target. I'm slightly bent over because I've over-swung and lost, but you can see that my back is still more or less straight (I have round shoulders and have struggled with that). Note the diagonal grip with the tsuka held in the fingers, wrists overtop so that the top of the tsuka is stopped by the meat of the palm under the pinky. If anyone wants to take a swing at us, so to speak, go ahead, I'm always open to criticism.

[DCPan]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Note the diagonal grip with the tsuka held in the fingers, wrists overtop so that the top of the tsuka is stopped by the meat of the palm under the pinky. If anyone wants to take a swing at us, so to speak, go ahead, I'm always open to criticism.

I don't know if I dare take a swing at you, senpai :D

I do have an observation that I'd like to bring up again (I believe I brought it up last time in your other kendo kata photo in the other thread) to see what other people think.

I'm still curious about the thumb.

If it is relaxed, would it be fully bent forward the way it is in your right hand?

I would expect a relaxed thumb to be bent slightly toward the pinky rather than a hitchhiker motion as above....

Then again, I'm always thought of as too nit picky :D

FWIW

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by DCPan
I'm still curious about the thumb.

If it is relaxed, would it be fully bent forward the way it is in your right hand?
If his thumb were extended in a "hitch-hiker" position, wouldn't it be off the tsuka and in a straight line through all the joints?

In this photo his right thumb looks right to me -- starting at the wrist I follow a line, then a flexion at the carpophalangeal joint.

Maybe the tip isn't bent the right way for you? A slight extension in the interphalangeal joint? But if his thumb is built like mine, to get it to curl back toward the "pinky" with his index finger where it is would require more tension. With it relaxed, it just goes the way it does.

You're right, you do seem to be picking nits. :D

[ScottUK]

Hey, stop all this 'good technique' stuff - this thread's for KKKK! :D

As for the fella doing tameshigiri above, that's Obata sensei. Not sure he qualifies for this thread - many people really dig his sword art.

[Chidokan]

here's a poser for you....in kendo kata the attacker is always the senior grade/teacher. By definition this guy knows all about posture etc.
So... why lean forward like you dont know what you are doing and stand like an extra from 'star wars' ready to be taken out instead of cutting again/ getting out of the way?:confused:

If you know the answer you may return to the thread.....;)

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by ScottUK
Hey, stop all this 'good technique' stuff - this thread's for KKKK! :D

Well, we had a request :)

David, Brian is right - my thumb is relaxed that way. To bend it the way you suggest would add tension. Not only that, but it would be a little awkward with kote on.

Tim - the answer is that the teacher is supposed to be teaching. The student is learning how to win, not lose.

PS I'm in no way suggesting that our technique is perfect - but at least it's a point for discussion.

[ulvulv]

i think this is quite ok

[gendzwil]

Well, he's under-utilising the barre, but other than that looks fine to me.

[ulvulv]

its not me, i am here, to the left

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Well, he's under-utilising the barre, but other than that looks fine to me.

"The barre"?
Is it french kicking in, or is it really english?
I do not understand it anyways.

[Ye Olde corpse]

Ulvulv, that's a pretty nice dojo! Is it in Bergen(where i couldn't help notice that you lived) or somewhere else??

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Ye Olde corpse
Ulvulv, that's a pretty nice dojo! Is it in Bergen(where i couldn't help notice that you lived) or somewhere else??

I wish. My dojo is the gymnastics hall at the school where I teach. Down and dirty. At least we have a smaller and nicer room for iai and jo. The picture is taken at butokuden, kyoto, 1997.

[Chidokan]

ah... you missed the point...do we teach our students that all their opponents are incompetent??!!!To give the students a chance is one thing but at what point do you stop acting like a star wars extra?:D

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
"The barre"?
Is it french kicking in, or is it really english?
I do not understand it anyways.
It's French.

Just as Japanese is the lingua franca of our martial arts, French is the lingua franca of ballet -- and in the photo that looks like a ballet barre against the wall.

Is that dojo a shared space?

[ulvulv]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
It's French.

Just as Japanese is the lingua franca of our martial arts, French is the lingua franca of ballet -- and in the photo that looks like a ballet barre against the wall.

Is that dojo a shared space? [/QUOTE

Are you referring to butokuden? If so, I guess there are e-members who are residents in Japan which can give a much better background on the historical background of Butokuden. I was there only for two days, for iai-embu and kendograding

some googling:

"Established in 1895 in order to promote traditional martial arts and cultivate martial virtues. The stated goals of the Butokukai were : to construct the Butokuden, a large martial arts hall within the precincts of the Heian Shrine in Kyoto; to hold a martial arts exhibition and tournament each year; to preserve, support, and promote martial arts; to collect classical weapons and military equipment and historical materials; and to publish a martial arts bulletin. Branch offices were set up in all prefectures of Japan and prefectural governors became the branch directors. In 1899, construction of the Butokuden in Kyoto was completed."


http://home.t-online.de/home/meier-buehl/golden.htm

http://www.ffjda.com/Kendo/faq_cnk/faq_kyoto_taikai.htm

[Chidokan]

get this one...a new way to draw the sword or an unfortunate photo angle?

http://www.spiritmountain.org/Kungfu/Aikido%20Class.html

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Chidokan
get this one...a new way to draw the sword or an unfortunate photo angle?
http://www.spiritmountain.org/Kungfu/Aikido%20Class.html
From their web site:

"Aikido is a Japanese term. We use this term to describe our grappling techniques so that Americans will quickly have some idea of what we are talking about. Everything taught at Spirit Mountain Martial Arts is part of Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen."

So it's really a Chinese art, but they use a Japanese name, and wear Japanese clothing.

Can anyone say "Baffling Budo"?

[ulvulv]

gotcha

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
Are you referring to butokuden?
I'm referring to the picture you posted where the man is standing alone in front of a barre. Is that Butokuden, or somewhere else?

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
I'm referring to the picture you posted where the man is standing alone in front of a barre. Is that Butokuden, or somewhere else?

if you do some digging on this site, you will find the pic, and lots of others.

http://www.shinzen-dojo.net/

[Sunu Eagure]

I don't know, are those regulation hakama?

[jest]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
From their web site:

"Aikido is a Japanese term. We use this term to describe our grappling techniques so that Americans will quickly have some idea of what we are talking about. Everything taught at Spirit Mountain Martial Arts is part of Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen."

So it's really a Chinese art, but they use a Japanese name, and wear Japanese clothing.

Can anyone say "Baffling Budo"?


From the name, I would say Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen is actually a Vietnamese martial art.

That said, Vietnam is even further from Japan than China, geographically and culturally, so it's still baffling.

[ulvulv]

quite famous technique

[ScottUK]

Eh?

[Shimura]

He looks to be in a good position to get the hell smacked out of him.

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by ulvulv
quite famous technique
[snip photo of dude catching sword between his palms] Yeah, that works. I've often wanted to try that with one of those guys using shinai. I suspect 19/20 times, he'd get smacked in the head before he even got to see if he could catch the blade without losing any fingers.

[DCPan]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
If his thumb were extended in a "hitch-hiker" position, wouldn't it be off the tsuka and in a straight line through all the joints?


Okay, that was a bad description :D

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi

In this photo his right thumb looks right to me -- starting at the wrist I follow a line, then a flexion at the carpophalangeal joint.

Maybe the tip isn't bent the right way for you? A slight extension in the interphalangeal joint?

OK, I'm having med school flashbacks now...please, don't make me refer to my Netter's :D

Basically, when you let your arms hang at your sides relaxed, I do not see any joint in my hand that wouldn't be slightly bent.

So, why wouldn't the thumb tip retain that bent in a grip? I guess it would be the interphalangeal joint that I'm referring to (sorry, dropped out of med school before covering the limbs in anatomy).

Here's a picture of the late Nakamura Takeshi sensei's right hand grip from the ZNKR Kendo Kata video....

[DCPan]

Here's a photo of Miyazaki Masahiro sensei gripping a shinai:

[DCPan]

Okay...so who cares about a thumb tip, right?

In my own journey, there are many times when I was told, just find what works with your physique, blah, blah.

Lately, I've found that while form follows function, variation in form often end up being good indicators of what you are and what you aren't doing.

FWIW! :D

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by DCPan
Okay...so who cares about a thumb tip, right?

In my own journey, there are many times when I was told, just find what works with your physique, blah, blah.
Well, from the pictures it looks like Neil's digits (like my own) are rather long and lean compared to the picture you posted of Nakamura sensei's hand. Nakamura's thumb tip and index finger tip just meet, whereas mine would overlap.

In the picture of Miyazaki Masahiro sensei his thumb is behind his index finger, which would seem wrong to me, but it may be right for him.

What works for one may not work for another. More important is how it feels to the person doing it.

IMNSHO. :D

[ulvulv]

kiai!

[ulvulv]

Another one, while im at it:

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
kiai! Yes folks, they're practicing for the first ever flying mid-air hemorrhoidectomy.

--Brian "The Mad Doctor" Owens

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
Yes folks, they're practicing for the first ever flying mid-air hemorrhoidectomy.

--Brian "The Mad Doctor" Owens

Doesnt the japanese word Kin apply to both "gold" and "balls"?

Then it would be "kin-giri", right?

[Grisha]

Theres quite a thick line between complete and total idiots, and Samurai "In Training".

I find alot of these pictures hillarious, especially the ones created in the backyards of teens trying to "try out the moves" they saw on Rurouni Kenshin or The Last Samurai.

I also resent the comment given by a certain individual about Aikido students and teachers have no knowledge about the sword or one clue about Kenjutsu - the comment tells me only 10% of Aikido trainers actually know SOMETHING about the art of the sword.

I am in Aikido and my head sensei and personal sensei know how to use their Kenjutsu in the teachings of the sword which Ueshiba taught, so this is not a fair comment towards the Aikido students because in most cases...it is the Kenjutsu dojo's who are struggling the most with their own problems...(ei: Noble House Kenjutsu).

[Paulo K. Ogino]

I found this photo from a video. Couldn't reconize the kamae, jodan? ukenagashi? is it crappy, I might be wrong... any thoughts? Thanks!!!!

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Sorry folks! here's the pic....

[Kopiller]

What do you think of this?

http://usuarios.lycos.es/buyusan1/newpage.html

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Kopiller
What do you think of this?

http://usuarios.lycos.es/buyusan1/newpage.html

the quality of the pictures match the quality of the homepage, no discrepancy there...

[Chidokan]

I quite like the way the sword is caught by the left hand after it nearly hits the floor and is on the way back up in the side on video...

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Chidokan
I quite like the way the sword is caught by the left hand after it nearly hits the floor and is on the way back up in the side on video...

Isnt it great to learn something new every day, especially when you can find such shining examples of japanese swordsmanship, filled to the rim with finesse and subtle points??

[kenkyusha]

Paragons of Krappy Katana Kamae are you? The fellow on the left with that finely tuned saya-sabaki (that looks like kojiri is about to smack into the ground), the controlled, precise cut... not to mention the seiza that looks like someone in the throws of rather severe gastric distress, trying hard not to... er, well, you know.

And the exquisite over-extension of the wrist on the gentleman on the right... nay my friends. There is nothing worthy of derision here.

Be well,
Jigme

[David T Anderson]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Sorry folks! here's the pic....

Well... There's always a risk of taking action still out of context, but it's very hard to say what this guy is doing. He's way off balance for cutting in any reasonable direction, and seems to be swaying his whole body in a circle to make some kind of naname cut [perhaps]. My training tells me to keep my back straight and my body square to the target with my weight evenly distributed on my feet. The heel of his right foot is down, so at least he's not on tippy-toe.

But as previously observed, what is right in some traditions is wrong in others...

[OYAMA]

I just want to drop a line about the issue, all the photos are very "interesting". But the Yukio Mishima's one in the eleventh page? We must remember that he was a kendo fifth dan, and had some graduation in Iai too, so I think that the weird hasso, is just to look good in the photo,to fulfil one of his voyeuristic needs.

:cool:


Mr. José Furtado.

[Jock Armstrong]

:eek: OMIGOD!!! I judged him to be a twit, regardless of his kendo grade. Does that make me harsh and unfeeling????

There are japanese idiots too you know- just read one of MIshima's stories. He was a steam mullet of the ocean going class...........

PS I really do believe he was about to do some old style "samurai eyebrow shaving techique" in that pic..............;) :p ;)

[OYAMA]

I hope we do not go to faraway from the issue, but to refer Mr. Mishima as being an idiot is at least silly.

Mr. José Furtado.

[Charlie Kondek]

We have a saying in English. "Everyone's a critic." Meaning if you put something out there, there is always someone to criticize it. Personally, I think Mishima's skill was probably legitimate, and that the man was not a twit but, well, different. In the pic in question, I think he is simply posing in body-builder fashion.

[Earl Hartman]

If you want to see the REAL Mishima homoerotic beefcake sword picture, go here:

http://www.thejapanpage.com/html/images/image_file_upload/book_jackets/0870114255-t.jpg

Hinomaru hachimaki, oiled up to beat the band, naked except for a tiny little fundoshi, everything.

Freud may have said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" but I guess Mishima didn't get the message.

[Jock Armstrong]

Mishima was certainly "eccentric" - thats a loony who has some money BTW. This was a man who espoused a return to imperialism and seriously wanted the reinvading of china and reducing it to a slave state. His final escapade [apart from his homoerotic photography penchant] was to go with a few other loonies [suitably dressed in pseudo 19th century maroon - or should that be mauve?? militery uniforms designed by himself] and attempt to rouse the cadets at the japanese West Point to rebel. When they all told him he was a nut, he committed seppuku. Its a pity he didn't consider that before the abortive raid since one senior officer [unarmed] who refused to have anything to do with him was killed. Another officer was severely injured but managed to escape [this was after several cuts with a katana from Mishima and his associates so don't give me any on his apparent skill with a blade or lack of it].
That qualifies him as an idiot in my book.

[pgsmith]

I don't remember what I was looking for, but these are worthy of inclusion in this thread. I couldn't decide which was funnier, so I am going to post both! The famous Italian Soke Adriano Pizzato ...

http://utenti.lycos.it/kayten/hpbimg/adrian11.jpg

http://utenti.lycos.it/kayten/hpbimg/nj66.jpg

Cheers,

[OYAMA]

Well, I must remember that the matter here is the misuse of swords, by people who has an exotic, or non-understanding of sword arts.What not include Mr. Mishima,'cause as posted, he had an approaching with Kendo and Iai.
I know about the events of 25th november 1970, involving Mr. Mishima, and even if it looks nonsense for some individuals, I do respect his right of expressing beliefs trough words or acts.About the possibility that he had a mental disorder, here is not the place to have this discussion.

Mr. José Furtado.

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Would any serious japanese sword practitioner ever touch the sharp edge of a katana, even a iaito? Does this "soke" deserves that rank?

About the kamae, anybody with minimum amount of practice in kenjutsu and iaijutsu know this guy is dead in a real combat :shot: . The only thing the black dressed guy has to do(IMHO)is to move to his left and perform a thrust to the solar plexus, or cut the right hand of the oponent, or slice the left hand fingers, or slice the torso with a migi-kesagiri, or.... Any comments?

[Jock Armstrong]

Excellent point Paulo. It goes against every dictum of sword handling to place flesh against steel except when sliding the blade edge through it with murderous intent. Another example of mediocrity in MA. Its not limited to the ninja [wannabe] fraternity either.
As for the gentleman who seems enamoured of Mishima san- I'm all for people expressing their opinions too but when their ideas are unsound or stupid I reserve the right to judge them and their proponents idiots. just because he was Japanese and a writer [darling of the far right] does not absolve him or excuse his conduct. Perhaps the gentleman in question should meet one of these fascist pigs and get a real view of their intent. they are direct descendants of the racist, fascist kendo practicing idiot that was Mishima Yukio. I have - they are thoroughly unpleasant individuals who have not the balls to take on a single gaijin when they outnumber him six to one. Perhaps my 188cm height and the fact I wasn't going to back down after pulling them up for their snide "kitanai gaijin" comment may have influenced that in summer of 2000 when I visited the "peace park" in hiroshima.

[A. Bakken]

OK, I admit it, I'm lost!

Who is this mr. Mishima?

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Hey guys! please stick to the Krappy Karate Kamae theme... or post a different thread in another forum!

[Chidokan]

notice the lack of fingers in the 'StarGate' pyramid shot...:D

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Hey guys! please stick to the Krappy Karate Kamae theme... or post a different thread in another forum!

yallayalla:

[ulvulv]

if it hurts, its good

[IZA]

Thats really great, parry the sword with the hand :D
amazing! and stand with one leg.

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by A. Bakken
OK, I admit it, I'm lost!

Who is this mr. Mishima?
A prolific writer (more than 40 plays, novels, short-stories, etc.) most famous (or infamous) for his suicide by seppuku in 1970.

Here's a brief exerpt from Pegasos:

Mishima was deeply attracted to the patriotism of imperial Japan, and samurai spirit of Japan's past. However, at the same time he dressed in Western clothes and lived in a Western-style house. In 1968 he founded the Shield Society, a private army of some100 youths dedicated to a revival of Bushido, the samurai knightly code of honour. In 1970 he seized control in military headquarters in Tokyo, trying to rouse the nation to pre-war nationalist heroic ideals. After failure Mishima committed seppuku (ritual disembowelment) with his sword on November 25, 1970. Before he died he shouted, ''Long live the Emperor.''
For the complete article, go here:

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/mishima.htm

[OYAMA]

Judging Mr. Armstrong answer, the level of discussion can't be kept in an adult level. So, no "reigi", no thread.

Mr. José Furtado.

[pgsmith]

Gentlemen!
If your post doesn't include a good 4K picture, it's off topic! Please start another thread for your arguments about Japan's idealists!

And following that statement, here's the illustrious soke Professor Hargrave telling us that "they went thataway!" ... :)

[Paulo K. Ogino]

What about this????

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Star wars fans do their stuff too....

[Paulo K. Ogino]

chack out this url:

http://www.spiritsspace.com/expo2002.htm

And another "Kamae"...

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Check this site:

http://www.shihanroman.com/fightdemostration.htm

And a pic from it... you've seen this guy before....

[kenkyusha]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
A prolific writer (more than 40 plays, novels, short-stories, etc.) most famous (or infamous) for his suicide by seppuku in 1970.
snip
And his really lousy choice in kaishaku... took multiple... er... hacks to his upper-back before he was finally put down :saw:.

[pgsmith]

Thanks Paulo!
The ninja with the golf grip tenouchi was good for a definite laugh! (not to mention the spatula kamae!) :D

Jigme, no picture accompanied your post! :(

[kenkyusha]

(Not of the attempted Mishima decap, but a pic just the same)

Be well,
Jigme

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by kenkyusha
And his really lousy choice in kaishaku... took multiple... er... hacks to his upper-back before he was finally put down :saw:. Yep. And not by his kaishaku.

An Army officer in the crowd, a Toyama Ryu exponent if I recall, finally grabbed the sword from the kaishaku (who was Mishima's lover), and did the job right.

And Paul's right. This is my last Mishima post in this thread, since off topic posts are only welcomed in the Members' Lounge.

Sorry, Paul. :smilejapa

[Diane Mirro]

Originally posted by kenkyusha
(Not of the attempted Mishima decap, but a pic just the same)

Be well,
Jigme

Thank you, Jigme, for posting such a classic example of the dangers and evils of extreme testosterone poisoning and sunburn. (Ahem--may we have another?)

[Charlie Kondek]

Hang on, who's the guy posting with Conan? Because the guy that did the sword choreography and training in the first film was legit iai, AFAIK.

[Kusarigama]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Hang on, who's the guy posting with Conan? Because the guy that did the sword choreography and training in the first film was legit iai, AFAIK.

That would be Kiyoshi Yamazaki Sensei.

He was the "Master of the Sword" for BOTH Conan movies, Red Sonia, Dune (The original Movie), Dragonheart, the Conan TV Series and a couple of others that I can't remember right now.


Britt Nichols

[Ralutin]

Originally posted by kenkyusha
(Not of the attempted Mishima decap, but a pic just the same)

Be well,
Jigme

Here is a thread about Yamazaki sensei and his sword art:

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10665&highlight=Yamazaki

Near the end of the thread is a lengthy profile of Yamazaki sensei posted by one of his former students, Tony Alvarez.

[CEB]

He was in the film also. He was Conan's teacher. Remember whenit showed the scenes went Conan went to train with the warlords in the east. There is a scene when one of the students sort of laughs under his breath and the teacher drills him with a back kick. The guy that did the back kick was Mr. Yamazaki.

[kenkyusha]

Folks,

Not trying to impune Yamazaki-san at all, just that picture is... er... well just look at the bloody thing!?!? And no Dr. Mirro, that is quite enough beefcake for you (and you too Cady if you are lurkin' about) :smash:.

Be well,
Jigme

[Charlie Kondek]

Originally posted by kenkyusha
Folks,

Not trying to impune Yamazaki-san at all, just that picture is... er... well just look at the bloody thing!?!? And no Dr. Mirro, that is quite enough beefcake for you (and you too Cady if you are lurkin' about) :smash:.

Be well,
Jigme

haha! I think he looks sweet. I wish I looked like that. I remember reading that Ahnuld was pretty good at iai because he had experience in weight-lifting and posing, so he was patient and good at that. *shrug* The Conan movies were friggin' sweet!

By the way, doesn't it look like he's posting with a cardboard cut-out?

[Kusarigama]

Originally posted by CEB
He was in the film also. He was Conan's teacher. Remember whenit showed the scenes went Conan went to train with the warlords in the east. There is a scene when one of the students sort of laughs under his breath and the teacher drills him with a back kick. The guy that did the back kick was Mr. Yamazaki.

Actually I believe that he is in BOTH Conan movies as well as "Red Sonia". Don't recall where in "Conan II"

It has been a while but if I recall he is the one fighting "Red Sonia" in the arena in the begining of the movie.
Also the "Conan" TV Series he is in at least one episode.

I don't remember if he is in any of the others listed.

Britt Nichols

[Earl Hartman]

The Conan movies were stupid and the swordwork was worse. Ahnuld was so musclebound that he looked like he was moving underwater.

[CEB]

Conan the Destroyer and Red Sonia really disappointed me. My guess was they were trying to tone it down for a milder film rating but they ruined the movies.

I liked Conan the Barbarian. I thought the first one was a lot of fun. Here we had a movie where most the actors were not actors. We had powerlifters, football players and bodybuilders. That had a sense of realism to it I thought. In real life I mess my lines up on a daily basis. Its good to actors stumble on a line or two. And when Sven hit people with that really big hammer Oh yeah baby. Splat!

When Oliver Stone wrote the first script his plan was for 12 movies based on the Robert E. Howard stories. It was supposed to become a long series of movies like the 007 movies. Milius changed the heck out of Stone's script I guess. Probably eliminated a lot of dialogue. I don't remember how many minutes we get into the movie before Conan says his first real words. I mean a lot of the guys weren't actors so you couldn't expect too much talking out of them.


Teacher's Question : What is best in life?
Conan: "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women."


Well the sequel was pretty bad. Even a geek like me didn't care for it and we never saw Conan become king on the big screen. :(

[ScottUK]

Less talk and more silliness please...!

[Ralutin]

Originally posted by ScottUK
Less talk and more silliness please...!

That's not Darrel (sp?) Craig...is it?

[Carlton]

Many of these posers seem to suffer from an acute form of mullet-head as well.

[Steve Delaney]

It is Darrel Craig, with what appears to be a shirasaya in his belt! He's also cradling that thing like it's his baby :eek:

Shirasaya are just boxes for katana when you are having new furniture made. They are never ever meant to be used for practice in iai or kenjutsu. :rolleyes:

[Mekugi]

BUUTTT Steeeeeveee...

Darrel Max Craig writes lots of highly info-mortive books on budo. It must be correct! JUST BOW DOWN DARNIT!

-R

Originally posted by Saitama Steve
It is Darrel Craig, with what appears to be a shirasaya in his belt! He's also cradling that thing like it's his baby :eek:

Shirasaya are just boxes for katana when you are having new furniture made. They are never ever meant to be used for practice in iai or kenjutsu. :rolleyes:

[Steve Delaney]

Ah so that's why I used his latest Mugai ryu book as a doorstop! Blimey, must have slipped my mind mate. :p

Oh let's not forget the videos with the rubber chomage! :rolleyes:

[Charlie Kondek]

Arnold, iai, this page (there's a pic here but I can't get it to upload though I saved it to me hard drive):

http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/life/didyouknow/life_didyouknow_eng_legacy_263.asp?sec=life&subsec=didyouknow

And Earl, you are wrong. But that... is another thread!

Bum-bum-bum-bum BUMMMM!

[kenkyusha]

Teacher's Question : What is best in life?
Answer: The thrill of the hunt, etc.
Teacher: Wrong, Conan!
Conan: "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women."

Sure it may be evil, but from quite young, my kids have known exactly how to respond to, "What is best in life?" or simply, "Wrong, Conan". Particularly popular at social events w/non practitioners... :up:mwahahaha:up:

Be well,
Jigme

[A. Bakken]

This should do the trick...

http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/life/didyouknow/images/sandahl_train.jpg

Here's how I did it:

1. Found the pic.
2. Right-clicked on the picture, chose 'Properties' and copied the URL.
3. Pasted the URL between two IMG tags. [/ i m g] (without the spaces) Voilà!

[i]Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Arnold, iai, this page (there's a pic here but I can't get it to upload though I saved it to me hard drive)

[Cady Goldfield]

Whoa. Arnie's boobs are bigger than hers. :eek:

[ulvulv]

quote:
Whoa. Arnie's boobs are bigger than hers


well, isnt swordsmanship about cleavage after all? hmmm

:p

[Earl Hartman]

Wrong about what, Charlie?

Back in the day, I knew this guy who had biceps as big as my thighs. I mean, he was mind-numbingly huge. He probably could have ripped my head off like it was a twist-top on a Coors Lite.

Lifting a pickup with one hand? Crushing a lump of coal into a diamond? No problem.

But swinging a sword? Forget it.

[ulvulv]

Shinai, come back!
I will treat you well, and give you a regular oil-massage! I promise!

[Charlie Kondek]

Originally posted by Earl Hartman
Wrong about what, Charlie?

Wrong about this.

The Conan movies were stupid and the swordwork was worse.

The swordwork, meh, it's movie swordplay, we needn't quibble, but I loved those movies! Again, this is a separate thread. Hell, I'll start one.

[Earl Hartman]

Oh, I guess they were fun in a kind of MT3K sort of way. I just got a kick out of Ahnuld and that Red Sonia chick, whatever her name was, trying to do this sorta kinda iai/kenjutsu type sword stuff with those huge mucking telephone pole fantasy barbarian swords.

The movie I would like to see is "Hercules in New York", which I think was Ahnuld's first flick in the US (his accent was so bad that they had him do his dialogue in German and they dubbed in the English later). I remember when Ahnuld was a guest on Letterman a long time ago they showed a clip from that flick. There was a quick scene of Ahnuld and this chick riding down the street in a chariot, and then it shows them running in front of a movie theater (you know, the old kind where there's a ticket booth enclosed in glass and they actually have posters advertising the movie that's playing). Anyway, the movie is some sort of Hercules movie, so Ahnuld stops and says, "That's not Hercules, THIS is Hercules!"; he rips off his sweater and poses, and I swear, in the blink of an eye he puffed up like a blowfish or a hooded cobra. I mean he's big enough to begin with, but then all of a sudden it was nothing but ripplin' 'roid flesh for MILES. It was really funny.

Also, maybe it's only me, but doesn't Ahnuld look kind of like an ape?

[gendzwil]

I always thought Sandahl Bergman moved really really well. Ignoring the crappy swordwork she was taught, her dancer's background really showed in that movie. To see her (nekkid, even) in a much better movie, rent All That Jazz. She has a small part as the lead dancer in the troupe Bob Fosse is directing.

[Charlie Kondek]

Earl, I've called you out in the other thread!

[Cady Goldfield]

Oooohhhh yeah! I remember "Hercules in New York." It co-starred another Arnold who is Ahnold's polar opposite: the late Arnold Stang. Scrawny, meek, nasal-voiced, bespectacled Arnold Stang. He used to be pitchman for Chunky ("Whatta chunka chocolate!"). Oo. That dates me. ;)

Originally posted by Earl Hartman
Oh, I guess they were fun in a kind of MT3K sort of way. I just got a kick out of Ahnuld and that Red Sonia chick, whatever her name was, trying to do this sorta kinda iai/kenjutsu type sword stuff with those huge mucking telephone pole fantasy barbarian swords.

The movie I would like to see is "Hercules in New York", which I think was Ahnuld's first flick in the US (his accent was so bad that they had him do his dialogue in German and they dubbed in the English later). I remember when Ahnuld was a guest on Letterman a long time ago they showed a clip from that flick. There was a quick scene of Ahnuld and this chick riding down the street in a chariot, and then it shows them running in front of a movie theater (you know, the old kind where there's a ticket booth enclosed in glass and they actually have posters advertising the movie that's playing). Anyway, the movie is some sort of Hercules movie, so Ahnuld stops and says, "That's not Hercules, THIS is Hercules!"; he rips off his sweater and poses, and I swear, in the blink of an eye he puffed up like a blowfish or a hooded cobra. I mean he's big enough to begin with, but then all of a sudden it was nothing but ripplin' 'roid flesh for MILES. It was really funny.

Also, maybe it's only me, but doesn't Ahnuld look kind of like an ape?

[Stephanie S]

"Wheeeeeeeeeeee!"

<img> http://www.jinmukan.com/photogallery/JJSS-GodoRenshu- </img>


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May the Schwartz be with you

[Stephanie S]

Let's try this again......

"Wheeeeeeeeeeee!"

<img> http://www.jinmukan.com/photogallery/JJSS-GodoRenshu-20021130/20021130jjssgodorenshu20.jpg </img>


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May the Schwartz be with you

[Charlie Kondek]

Lots of dubious goings-on at Jinmukan.com!

[pgsmith]

Thanks Stephanie!
Here's one of my favorites ...

[cguzik]

My Japanese isn't that good, but doesn't this mean something like "house empty of people"?

[Iron Chef]

Originally posted by pgsmith
Thanks Stephanie!
Here's one of my favorites ...

Why do you like that one so much?

[pgsmith]

Because she is attempting a supported block with all of her fingers spread as if saying hello. :) If the cut she was blocking was actually done with intent, she would have several smashed fingers. If it was done with a sword, she would have just dropped most of her fingers on the ground. It's a common beginner mistake, but you should try not to post your mistakes on the web!

It's kinda like this one where the fellow is ending his nukitsuke with his arm dead straight in front of him. This is another common beginner mistake, not to mention a bad case of tennis elbow just waiting to start!

[Iron Chef]

Originally posted by pgsmith
Because she is attempting a supported block with all of her fingers spread as if saying hello. :) If the cut she was blocking was actually done with intent, she would have several smashed fingers. If it was done with a sword, she would have just dropped most of her fingers on the ground. It's a common beginner mistake, but you should try not to post your mistakes on the web!

It's kinda like this one where the fellow is ending his nukitsuke with his arm dead straight in front of him. This is another common beginner mistake, not to mention a bad case of tennis elbow just waiting to start!

Thanks, I thought that may have been the reason. But wasn't sure, I thought maybe you just didn't do those types of blocks. I don't know who does what here. Charlie is the only guy here I've ever met.

The only waza we do a block like that is in one we call Dokumyoken. The hand is palm against the back of the blade fingers together pointing toward kisaki. Then we sweep opponent's weapon down and counter with a soetzuski.

I wouldn't have guess the picture of the fellow was of a nukitsuke. It looks like some sort of tsuski maybe. I don't know how he wound up there. The angle of his body and straight arm and the way his weight seems backward seems strange for sort of nukitsuke. Then again the only Japanese sword work I've seen is the style I am taught and Kendo. Thanks for your reply.

[hyaku]

Originally posted by pgsmith
It's kinda like this one where the fellow is ending his nukitsuke with his arm dead straight in front of him. This is another common beginner mistake, not to mention a bad case of tennis elbow just waiting to start!

I like the mat.

Hyakutake Colin

[Iron Chef]

Originally posted by hyaku
I like the mat.

Hyakutake Colin
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I didn't catch that he must have forgotten his knee pads.

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by pgsmith
Because she is attempting a supported block with all of her fingers spread as if saying hello. :) If the cut she was blocking was actually done with intent, she would have several smashed fingers. If it was done with a sword, she would have just dropped most of her fingers on the ground. It's a common beginner mistake, but you should try not to post your mistakes on the web!

It's kinda like this one where the fellow is ending his nukitsuke with his arm dead straight in front of him. This is another common beginner mistake, not to mention a bad case of tennis elbow just waiting to start!

but this is not a nukitsuke as we se in msr or mjer, int tsksr iai-jutsu it is a stab in one of the seated kata. It may be a wrong excecution of the kata , but not so wrong that I think you think.

;)

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by pgsmith
Because she is attempting a supported block with all of her fingers spread as if saying hello. :) If the cut she was blocking was actually done with intent, she would have several smashed fingers. If it was done with a sword, she would have just dropped most of her fingers on the ground.
I'm not saying the execution is perfect, but if she's doing an augmented deflection (not a "block") by pressing her left hand against the ura side of the blade, and the opponent's blade is being deflected on the omote side of her blade, how would her fingers get smashed or severed?

In several blocks and deflections I am familiar with (kusanagi-no-ken, for example), one's hand is pressed against one's blade in exactly that sort of fingers-up-and-open manner. (By open I mean not curled palmwards. I don't mean splayed; the fingers should be together.)

[Charlie Kondek]

By the way, in person, Ed Boyd looks just like his current avatar. I look like mine.

Yeah, I see a lot of dubious things at that site, but that may be because they are being performed by beginners. Anyone watch the little video of iaijutsu? I recognize it from, I think, TSKSR, or it is derived from that school, and I don't know anything about TSKSR but I've seen those movements also performed by more advanced practitioners, and it looked much different.

[A. Bakken]

http://www.bujinkandojo.com.ar/Ch_Bisento.gif


Allright, I've seen krappier kamae, but look at that honkin' big blade! What the ninja-wannabe's call a "Bisento", apparently. (Or is this really a "Suburi-naginata"?)

[Earl Hartman]

I just watched the video clip of the Jinmukan iaijutsu. It is obviously TSKSR. How legitimate it is I cannot say. However, I will say that if you want to see that kata done correctly, get the Nippon Budokan video of Otake Sensei.

[Aozora]

Originally posted by A. Bakken


Allright, I've seen krappier kamae, but look at that honkin' big blade! What the ninja-wannabe's call a "Bisento", apparently. (Or is this really a "Suburi-naginata"?)

What is krappy is the sword hung upside down by some ninjer in the background on the racks...

[Earl Hartman]

Gee, think they got enough kamidanas there?

[Cady Goldfield]

Hey, you never can show too much respect to the deities, ya know!

[IZA]

Originally posted by A. Bakken
http://www.bujinkandojo.com.ar/Ch_Bisento.gif


Allright, I've seen krappier kamae, but look at that honkin' big blade! What the ninja-wannabe's call a "Bisento", apparently. (Or is this really a "Suburi-naginata"?)


How can i deflect or block that thing! :eek:

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Aozora
What is krappy is the sword hung upside down by some ninjer in the background on the racks...
In addition to one being upside down, note that at least seven are displayed ura, but one is omote.

I guess at that dojo the motto is "Do your own thing." ;)

[Andy Watson]

...and not forgetting the artificially aged black belt.

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Andy Watson
...and not forgetting the artificially aged black belt.

i didnt see that. But then I have no experience in artificial aging of obis. Care to elaborate, Andy? :D

[Paulo K. Ogino]

This looks like Matrix Agents performing "Krappy Uchi no Kurai" :D

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Nice swords he's carrying. Niten Krappy Ryu? Kinda curious suit he's wearing. :p

[TimoS]

Kinda curious suit he's wearing. :p

It looks like his suit has a hood. Maybe it's some gangsta ryu :)

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Nice swords he's carrying. Niten Krappy Ryu? Kinda curious suit he's wearing. :p

I think this pic has been here before. I appreciate the dacapo anyways:)

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Oh... Noooo... Star Wars Kid is Back!!!!!! Against Darth Piñata!!! Should he be renamed as Katana Kid??? :rolleyes:

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Oh... Noooo... Star Wars Kid is Back!!!!!! Against Darth Piñata!!! Should he be renamed as Katana Kid??? :rolleyes:

Gary the grip
Lefty Lemmy
Pirate Phil
Simon Stealth

or
Fat Chance

[Paulo K. Ogino]

These guys mean serious business...

Take a look at this link:

http://www2.gol.com/users/jolsen/ninja/ninja99.html

:smilejapa

[Paulo K. Ogino]

A variation of Seppuku... :idea:

[J. Nachtrab]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Yeah, I see a lot of dubious things at that site, but that may be because they are being performed by beginners. Anyone watch the little video of iaijutsu? I recognize it from, I think, TSKSR, or it is derived from that school, and I don't know anything about TSKSR but I've seen those movements also performed by more advanced practitioners, and it looked much different.

Holy cow. The instructor at that site, Howard High, lists Shoichi Nagase as one of his instructors. Nagase sensei used to be a Japanese Consul in Kansas City, and I actually trained with him in MJER iaido and TSKSR iaijutsu and kenjutsu for several months back in 1996. Small world.

The kata from that iaijutsu video is the first TSKSR iai kata Nagase sensei taught us, and it looks pretty much exactly as I remember. It's performed from iaigoshi, not seiza, and the first strike is a thrust, not a cut like you see in MJER's nukitsuke. Which is why in this photo:

http://www.jinmukan.com/photogallery/JJSS-GodoRenshu-20021130/tn_20021130jjssgodorenshu04_jpg.jpg

the arm is much straighter and more extended than you see in MJER.

[Iron Chef]

Originally posted by Iron Chef
...
I wouldn't have guess the picture of the fellow was of a nukitsuke. It looks like some sort of tsuski maybe. ....

:laugh: Hee Hee! I was right.

Sorry, I'm just not right very often.

Have a good weekend.

[Mike Williams]

Yay! I've found something to contribute to this thread:

[Aozora]

Originally posted by ulvulv
i didnt see that. But then I have no experience in artificial aging of obis. Care to elaborate, Andy? :D

I will... it started out as karate black belts wearing out their belts from years of practice, often being either too poor or too proud to get a new one. Somewhere along the line, American kareteka got the idea that black belts that had frayed at the edges to turn white showed that they were well worn and thus a sign of experience above and beyond what a normal black belt had.

Since then, it's spread like wildfire (karate isn't the only MA guilty of this) and now people actually take SANDERS (get it, belt sanders... hurr hurr hurr :rolleyes:) to the edges of their belts, to give them that worn look. You can often tell by the uniform appearance of the "wear" along the edges and the lack of fraying or other irregularities that would come with such wear.

The whole thing is ridiculous, not in small part due to the fact that most Japanese of any means would replace such worn gear, as they take meticulous care in their appearance. Gaijin will be gaijin, though...

Doing my small part to expose the krappy kamae... :up:

[ulvulv]

It is MY coin!
I FOUND IT FIRST

[ulvulv]

game over

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Look at this... this guy has "style"... some kind of Flamenco Ryu? :eek:

[Paburo]

Isn't that Ricky Martin!!!:D

[BCentrella]

Yup... He's been "living la vida iaidoka"...:D

[KendoKingKlan]

Guys, the way you're being cynnical about these practitioners on the picture, although some of them are real goofy with their poses and styles, I hope most of them are fake and mcdojo promoters for your sake. Because if they aren't, it would be pretty ironic if someone else is making fun of the way you guys train at some other thread if you supply them with dreadful pictures. It makes a newbie like myself wonder how the hell do I find the real deal, a good school?

[Andy Watson]

...a ruse largely operated by teenage or 20's karateka to try to emphasise how many years they had been training by the whitened threadbare kuro-obi. My instructor had had his black belt for some 28 years and it is only now starting to show signs of wear and tear.

[ulvulv]

kiaido

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by KendoKingKlan
It makes a newbie like myself wonder how the hell do I find the real deal, a good school?
Asking here or on kendo-world is a good start.

[George Kohler]

This thread is so huge, I don't know if this one has been shown.

[Steve Delaney]

Doh! I was just about to post that exact same photo! :shot:

[George Kohler]

Originally posted by Saitama Steve
Doh! I was just about to post that exact same photo! :shot:

I saw your post in the other thread. I was about to let you know that I already posted it in this forum, but you figured it out. :D

[Steve Delaney]

Yup. Ah well :D

[Jack B]

How about this one? Good baseball stance. My teacher would say, "Too much samurai movie!"

From the Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004032495,00.html):

"MARTIAL arts ace Karl Beattie has an amazing claim to fame - as the only living Samurai warrior outside Japan.

"Karl, 36 - wed to ex-Blue Peter star Yvette Fielding - was given the honour after 20 years’ training under a Japanese master.

"Now he has his own Samurai armour and sword and has sworn to protect his emperor with his life."

From another list:

"Karl's expertise does not only lie in television. He started Martial Arts
training under the legendary Otsu Maeda Sensei at the age of 7 and is the
current World Traditional Full Contact Martial Arts Champion. He won the
title in 1994 and holds it to this day after knocking out the then
undefeated champion Tiju Fukura. Karl has never been beaten and holds an
impressive record of 85 official fights, 85 wins and 75 KO's. He is the
only person to take the title out of Japan and for his efforts has been
awarded a Samuraiship, one of only eight honoured outside of Japan.

He holds a 4th Dan in Ryukyu Kempo and Wado Ryu Karate, is a master
swordsman and has trained extensively in Goju Ryu, Iaido, Aikido, Jujitsu,
Wing Chun and Silum Kung Fu."

[chris davis 200]

i am sure that is the oda nobunaga armour available from all good stockists!what a chimp!

[Charlie Kondek]

Holy Toledo, is this guy for real?

[Chidokan]

I'd like one but the colours just dont go with my obi...

[Cady Goldfield]

Wow. That's a good one, Jack. That guy must be quite a target for pitchers or colorblind deerhunters.

[ScottUK]

Hehe, he was on 'Richard & Judy' (UK TV), a show known for it's crappy quality and bad presenters...

They were completely overawed by this guy who said he practiced iaido (pronounced Eye-EE-Do), had a wanky set of swords in the foreground that he drew badly (placing great emphasis on how important the draw was!) and just !!!!!!1tted his way through the interview.

So, to confirm - the guy has practiced karate and a few bits of other stuff, got a Japanese friend who he trained with and the guy says he is Samurai? Hey, I have a Nepalese friend - maybe I'm a Gurkha?

He talked bollocks and looked worse. What a retard. The UK MA community must've been rolling around on the floor...!

I was! :D

[ScottUK]

He may be a knockdown champion, but his bio is a cracker:

http://www.webspawner.com/users/worldchampion/

[J. Nachtrab]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Yeah, I see a lot of dubious things at that site, but that may be because they are being performed by beginners. Anyone watch the little video of iaijutsu? I recognize it from, I think, TSKSR, or it is derived from that school, and I don't know anything about TSKSR but I've seen those movements also performed by more advanced practitioners, and it looked much different.

Here's an interesting bit. The iaijutsu video at the Jinmukan site shows one of the first iai kata from TSKSR:

scroll down to bottom of page for link (http://www.jinmukan.com/sword/iaijutsu.shtml)

I happened to run across footage of Otake Risuke sensei performing the exact same kata here (http://www.furyu.com/onlinearticles/TSKSR01.html).

The Jinmukan guy's kata is definitely shakier, but it's not bad. The fundamentals are there, just needs some polishing and better rhythm.

[pgsmith]

That picture of Karl Beattie is great! It looks like Mr. Bean after watching Last Samurai. You just know he's gonna try and swing that sword and take out a light fixture or something.

:D

[Earl Hartman]

....has been awarded a Samuraiship.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, as I and others pointed out upthread, the Jinmukan batto is definitely TSKSR. Does anyone know what their actual connection is to TSKSR? At least from that one kata it looks as though the guy has some training, so I'm curious as to where he got it.

[J. Nachtrab]

Originally posted by Earl Hartman
...Does anyone know what their actual connection is to TSKSR? At least from that one kata it looks as though the guy has some training, so I'm curious as to where he got it.

Earl - that Jinmukan site says that the head instructor, Howard High, was taught by Shoichi Nagase. As I mentioned in a reply a few pages back, I also studied TSKSR with Shoichi Nagase back in 1996 through an arrangement with my aikido dojo. Nagase sensei was working at the Japanese Consulate in Kansas City at the time. He came to our dojo for several months and taught TSKSR batto, kenjutsu and bojutsu as well as MJER iaido. I never met Mr. High but I'm positive it's the same Shoichi Nagase.

However, due to my pitiful Japanese and Nagase sensei's not-too-good English, I never found out what his credentials with respect to TSKSR were. At the time, I can't say I really cared anyway, I was just thrilled to be learning any JSA. Nagase sensei was on temporary assignment in Kansas City and returned to Japan not too long after, so I assume he studied TSKSR there. The arrangement was mostly "he teaches us, we give him a place to practice". I don't even know what rank or grade he had in either art.

[Earl Hartman]

Thanks, Jason.

[StanLee]

Hey Scott, do you have that Richard & Judy interview on tape?

I liked to see the prat myself.

[Brian Owens]

Courtesy of Ulvulv, here is a photo of "on line swordfighting."

Not really Krappy Karate Katana Kamae, good athleticism actually, but I still found it funny when viewed with Ulvulv's title in mind. :D

[StanLee]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
Courtesy of Ulvulv, here is a photo of "on line swordfighting."

Not really Krappy Karate Katana Kamae, good athleticism actually, but I still found it funny when viewed with Ulvulv's title in mind. :D

"Circus tight rope act trims toenails."

[ulvulv]

this is my best contribution so far

[Charlie Kondek]

What the...!

[kenkyusha]

Must be a ninja... flying around and cutting-off heads.

[kenkyusha]

Okay, so you are fencers... please don't use shinai...

[kenkyusha]

Hmm, have some of these been posted already? Anyway...

Be well,
Jigme

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Benny Hill is ALIVE!!!! :eek:

[Brian Stokes]

Hi All,

Shoichi Nagase Sensei is part of Sugawara Sensei's organization. Whether that means he is TSKSR or not is up to Otake Shihan.

Brian Stokes

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Some sort of Iaijutsu?

[Paulo K. Ogino]

uuhh... guess someone is gonna get hurt here....

[Jock Armstrong]

Jusus H Cheeeerist!! I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

BTW Who's the womble in the blue dogi???

[kenkyusha]

Originally posted by Jock Armstrong
BTW Who's the womble in the blue dogi???
I think it's Harold Brosius (sp?), of Ketsugo Jujitsu, but honestly, so many site with questionable to crap kamae... it all blends together after a while.

Be well,
Jigme

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by ulvulv
this is my best contribution so far

I swear he looks like a dancer and not a karateka, by the way he is holding the shinai and posing. Only a dancer(or a person with not a clue, but even a karateka should know how to hold it somewhat.) would hold a shinai that way in a pose. hehehe!

[hyaku]

So many pics I am not sure if anyone has posted this one from Bermuda yet. He is about inscribe a "triangle"

Hyakutake Colin

[ulvulv]

It looks like he is pulling a rope. Probably fighting windmills. Any pictures of sancho panza?

[Charlie Kondek]

In the pic with the red background, is not the woman cutting his arse?

[mingshi]

found at corbis.com (image bank)...

spot their difference:

[mingshi]

just who is going to use these right-managed photos??!?!

[ulvulv]

http://www.pittsburghbujinkan.com/sw_tenchi_front.jpg

zappenin dude?

[Jock Armstrong]

She's doing OK- doesn't every body rub the sharp edge against their limbs- don't they? Huh? huh?. Duhhhh...........

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by ulvulv
http://www.pittsburghbujinkan.com/sw_tenchi_front.jpg

zappenin dude?
That's just... wow. Any of you Bujinkan dudes got any defense for that one? No? Anyone? Bueller?

[Paulo K. Ogino]

Good Kick.... but It seems the Sword isn't the issue here... so what is the sword for? uh?
By the way... a guy with a sword (a battojutsu guy, for example) in the opposite side would cut the leg off... or other "important" parts... what do you think?...

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Jock Armstrong
She's doing OK- doesn't every body rub the sharp edge against their limbs...
Only once. :D

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Good Kick.... but It seems the Sword isn't the issue here... so what is the sword for?...what do you think?...
First rule of Hwarangdo (Hapkido? Kumdo?), first knock the guy off his horse, then go for the swordplay. ;)

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
http://www.pittsburghbujinkan.com/sw_tenchi_front.jpg
:laugh:

He's about to lose that cheesy wakizashi. He needs to learn the proper way to secure the daisho. :nin:

If I were the Pittsburg Bujinkan, I'd post a different picture on my website. :rolleyes:

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
He's about to lose that cheesy wakizashi. He needs to learn the proper way to secure the daisho.

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
Good Kick.... but It seems the Sword isn't the issue here... so what is the sword for? uh?
By the way... a guy with a sword (a battojutsu guy, for example) in the opposite side would cut the leg off... or other "important" parts... what do you think?...

Wow, that's a beautiful side kick! Never mind the sword... It's probably there either for just the photo, or it may be part of his kata perhaps, if weapons are used in their kata, which I wouldn't know. I just think it is a really beautiful side kick... When I was doing TKD I wanted mine to look like that...

[StanLee]

The photos on this thread is getting worse...

I do not dare to open this in the presence of my office colleges...

[Bruce R. Wayne]

That's just... wow. Any of you Bujinkan dudes got any defense for that one? No? Anyone? Bueller?


Shihan Van Donk, maybe?

[StanLee]

Bruce,

Are you Batman?
:D

[Bruce R. Wayne]

If I send you a copy of Fantastic Four #7, will you autograph it?:rolleyes: