Krappy Karate Katana Kamae (photos)

[David T Anderson]

Originally posted by monkeyboy_ssj
The Bokken is bigger than him...Kid from the latest BS soke site in Baffling Budo.

That being said, he has better form than the kid I was attempting to instruct in the basics of holding the sword last Saturday. Some people's minds seem to fly out of their heads when they pick up a sword or even a bokken.

Possibly this is the sad fact behind this whole thread....swords make some people stupid...

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by David T Anderson
That being said, he has better form than the kid I was attempting to instruct in the basics of holding the sword last Saturday. .

What happened?

[monkeyboy_ssj]

Originally posted by ulvulv
What happened?

Lets just say it was hard trying to tell his parents that foreheads don't grow back too fast...:rolleyes:

Cheers :D

[David T Anderson]

Originally posted by ulvulv
What happened?

Nothing _bad_...sheesh! [Monkeyboy!]

I dunno if the kid had ADD or what, but he could not seem to focus or even get the idea that his arms could move the sword without bending at the elbow, or that the bokken didn't weigh 10lbs and wasn't forcing him to bend constantly at the waist when he cut with it, or that his arms really would move from the shoulder. He was also very unclear as to which foot was left or right and couldn't keep his knees unlocked for more than a few seconds at a time. No concentration whatever, and he was 'tired' after about 5 minutes of the simplest suburi and kumitachi. This boy was about 9-10 years old and fairly tall, so it's not like he was physically overwhelmed.

One of the things that Aikido has brought home to me is how physically clueless some people are, esp. kids, but many adults as well. I've never been an athelete, but I've never had much trouble with ordinary physical tasks that took a bit of precision and balance...army drill, learning to ride a bike, etc. I'm always surprised by newbies in the dojo that can't follow the simplest instructions or repeat them even a few times without intense coaching. Makes ya wonder...

[Yamaken]

Originally posted by Mekugi
You're gonna pop a vein dude...

http://www.samurai-cobra.co.uk/images/bokken%20tommy.png


While he does look funny he may or may not be doing a Gendai Goshin Ryu Kata

[monkeyboy_ssj]

Originally posted by David T Anderson
Nothing _bad_...sheesh! [Monkeyboy!]



Whaaaaattt? I didn't say a thing http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/corky/corkysm55.gif

Cheers

[ulvulv]

snort

[Ren Blade]

"Behold! My wooden sword! I will strike lightening down on all my enemies!"
http://www.samurai-cobra.co.uk/images/bokken%20tommy.png

[Charles Mahan]

Originally posted by ulvulv
snort

Pretty sure that is a pic of an anime convention.

[monkeyboy_ssj]

Originally posted by Charles Mahan
Pretty sure that is a pic of an anime convention.

Rurouni Kenshin squeelie fan girls by the looks of things...

Cheers

[Ren Blade]

Originally posted by monkeyboy_ssj
Rurouni Kenshin squeelie fan girls by the looks of things...

Cheers
4 Kaorus

[Chidokan]

one of them looks about to take a shot with a pool cue...

[SLeclair]

Originally posted by Chidokan
one of them looks about to take a shot with a pool cue...

That'd be a pretty bad representation of gatotsu kamae, which is the specialty of Saito Hajime in the anime. Funky when he does it, and totally ridiculous in this case. But, hey, this is anime conventions for you. I wouldn't put it up as a 4K, since they're obviously not trying to practice a martial art.

[Ren Blade]

Saito appears to be left handed in the anime.

http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/animestuffz/ova4/images/bat14.jpg

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=285014

[IZA]

Saito's anime zero stance is also useful in playing snooker or billards. he he he

[Ren Blade]

No one would dare hustle him with a sword in his hand like that.

[ulvulv]

quiet days in the kurappy korner

[Robert Miller]

Where is that pic from, Roar?

[Robert Miller]

Look how this guy handles a sword! Putting his left hand on the blade is so Kurappy, plus unsafe! Someone should contact him so he will learn that he is acting unsafely!

[Charles Mahan]

We don't do it like that, but MJER uses the left hand on the mune during several techniques, and I know of at least one technique in Hoki Ryu which does something that looks vaguely like what is going on in that picture, although only vaguely.

Point is it's not necessarily bad just because the left hand is on the blade. Now is it safe? Of course not. We're dealing with 30 inch razor blades here. It's inherently unsafe. It's still part of the waza.

[ulvulv]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Robert Miller
Look how this guy handles a sword! Putting his left hand on the blade is so Kurappy, plus unsafe! Someone should contact him so he will learn that he is acting unsafely! [/QUOTE

Do you think that the bujinkancrowd has taken too much heat in the krappydepartment, since you put out a picture of hatsumi sensei as bait? I guess that he is one of the guys in black that knows what he is doing.

But the guys above? Pffh!


:D

[tsurashi shondo]

Originally posted by Robert Miller
Look how this guy handles a sword! Putting his left hand on the blade is so Kurappy, plus unsafe! Someone should contact him so he will learn that he is acting unsafely!
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Have you seen Hatsumi move? You tell him first.:D

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by tsurashi shondo
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Have you seen Hatsumi move? You tell him first.:D

As a bujinkan- student, I guess he knows.
It was a just a krappy trap. :nin:

[tsurashi shondo]

Originally posted by ulvulv
As a bujinkan- student, I guess he knows.
It was a just a krappy trap. :nin:
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Damn! Fooled again by those sneaky Ninjas!

[El Guapo-san]

This one......

http://www.seishinkan.com/seishin/sskinstru/iaido/images/WD000028.jpg

And this one. Somehow that swordblock seems really questionable.

http://shorinryu-karate.com/images/2003Pic/SwordBlockD&S.jpg

J. Vlach, Amsterdam

[Maro]

Originally posted by El Guapo-san
This one......

http://www.seishinkan.com/seishin/sskinstru/iaido/images/WD000028.jpg

And this one. Somehow that swordblock seems really questionable.

http://shorinryu-karate.com/images/2003Pic/SwordBlockD&S.jpg

J. Vlach, Amsterdam

You'd have to have a really slow swing to be caught like that - unless the Ninja's are on Speed:D

[ulvulv]

The first pic is not that bad. They have nice maai, and they stand in quite conventional hasso no kamae and shin no kamae. Nothing extraordinary that qualifies for becoming a member of the kurappy klub

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by El Guapo-san
...Somehow that swordblock seems really questionable.

Originally posted by Maro
You'd have to have a really slow swing to be caught like that - unless the Ninja's are on Speed:D
I can't comment too much, based on a single still photo, but I will say that several koryu bugei and at least one gendai budo that I have personally been involved with have somewhat similar techniques called, among other names, muto dori.

Timing is everything!

[tsurashi shondo]

Can't speak to the sword stances ....but the blocking technique and positioning look pretty competent. (from a kenpo perspective).
Guy in white dogi on far right has grasped with upper hand,probably better to stay open handed and fluid like the gal in front,just MHO though.

[Shison]

I can't comment too much, based on a single still photo, but I will say that several koryu bugei and at least one gendai budo that I have personally been involved with have somewhat similar techniques called, among other names, muto dori.

Yup, but normally the block is not done that far into kirioroshi (My mind and/or eyes could be playing tricks on me, it's been a long day here in the mountains, on top of just getting back from keiko I need coffee or sleep or both [preferably])

More pics please :D

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Shison
...I need coffee or sleep or both [preferably]
You don't find them to be mutually exclusive?

While the caffeine in coffe may not totally prevent you from sleeping, I recommend against drinking coffee while you sleep lest you aspirate and develop a severe case of pneumojavaitis.

[ulvulv]

pneumojavaitis

What is that excactly??

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by tsurashi shondo
...Guy in white dogi on far right has grasped with upper hand, probably better to stay open handed and fluid like the gal in front, just MHO though.
I agree. I can't really see due to the camera angle, but it appears that the woman in front has her left hand on the opponent's right arm, and her right palm against the kashira of the opponent's sword. That's how I would do it.

The guy that has both hands on the opponent's right arm is still in jeopardy because the sword could still be brought into play one-handed.

I really don't think this pic belongs in the KKKK thread. It may be debatable on technical merit, but KKKK should be reserved for really Krappy stuff like flaming swords wielded by leaping gnomes at "Open" tournaments, or "Dai Soke Super Shihan Whitey McEurope's Blades of Death" Web downloads. Right?

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
pneumojavaitis

What is that excactly??
I was trying to be humorous. Left out the smilie; my bad.

pneumo - related to the lungs
java - another name for coffee
itis - swelling, inflamation, infection

pneumojavaitis = drowning on coffee from trying to drink while sleeping.

[Wout]

actually the second photo makes me think about a judo kata, you don't really block the blade but you use the speed and force of the arm and push it sideways to do a throw over te shoulder as you turn into the body of your opponent (I don't do judo, but I've seen this or at least something similar in a book about judo kata's).
IMO the open hand would be better because you can turn it fluently to apply the throw , grabbin the sleeve would also be effective but if someone strikes you with a sword it would be too fast to be able to grab it
the pic is obviously taken at practice so it could be that they focus on where the hands would be put or other aspects of the technique, what could creat the still effect.


It could also be something different like a real block or maybe an aiki technique, but it doesn't really look crappy.

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
I was trying to be humorous. Left out the smilie; my bad.

pneumo - related to the lungs
java - another name for coffee
itis - swelling, inflamation, infection

pneumojavaitis = drowning on coffee from trying to drink while sleeping.

Should have seen that, being a JOE-doka for many years. For my birthday, I will buy a "too much coffee man" mug

[Jonathan Tow]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
pneumo - related to the lungs
java - another name for coffee
itis - swelling, inflamation, infection

pneumojavaitis = drowning on coffee from trying to drink while sleeping.

Could also be intepreted as "Coffee-lung inflammation" :)

How about 'Somnolescent Java-aspiration pneumonitis' ?


Best,

Jonathan

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Wout
actually the second photo makes me think about a judo kata, you don't really block the blade but you use the speed and force of the arm and push it sideways to do a throw over te shoulder as you turn into the body of your opponent (I don't do judo, but I've seen this or at least something similar in a book about judo kata's).
IMO the open hand would be better because you can turn it fluently to apply the throw , grabbin the sleeve would also be effective but if someone strikes you with a sword it would be too fast to be able to grab it
the pic is obviously taken at practice so it could be that they focus on where the hands would be put or other aspects of the technique, what could creat the still effect.


It could also be something different like a real block or maybe an aiki technique, but it doesn't really look crappy.

The judo-kata I have seen, is with a knife attack with a very stiff arm, much like the attack that you see in Jim Carreys "karate-instructor". http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jim.carrey/page%20video.htm

"KIAII!!"

[gendzwil]

The sword defences look like they'd be about as effective as they normally are (not very).

[Shison]

Yup, but normally the block is not done that far into kirioroshi (My mind and/or eyes could be playing tricks on me, it's been a long day here in the mountains, on top of just getting back from keiko I need coffee or sleep or both [preferably])

Problem squared away, nothing to see here, I'm not the droid you're looking for, move along...:D

pneumojavaitis

Is that what it is?? I thought it was excercise-induced asthma due to some bronchopulmonary thing...

Well, that makes it easy, I can quit drinking coffe so I can train harder, or give up the Martial Arts.

I'm sure going to miss you guys...(Obviousely I'm joking)

More pics please

More pics please

[A. Bakken]

Originally posted by Shison
More pics please

Happy to oblige!

http://www.blades-uk.com/images/products/windows_S.jpg

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by A. Bakken
Happy to oblige!

http://www.blades-uk.com/images/products/windows_S.jpg

You look so young in that picture, Aage.
:D

[A. Bakken]

Originally posted by ulvulv
You look so young in that picture, Aage.
:D

Yeah, but I had already been practicing on my noto for years!

http://www.camera.canon.com.my/archive/photography/art/art36/images/37.jpg

[don]

Originally posted by El Guapo-san
And this one. Somehow that swordblock seems really questionable.

http://shorinryu-karate.com/images/2003Pic/SwordBlockD&S.jpg


Never had to do it myself, but FWIW, it's SOP in Daito-ryu, the first technique, IPPON DORI, in the Hiden Mokuroku.

[Gene Williams]

They're not doing it right. Uke should be bent backward and off balance. All of them have allowed the attacker to move too far forward in the technique, they should have caught him at the very beginning of his movement. They are all dead...:D

[don]

Originally posted by Gene Williams
They're not doing it right. Uke should be bent backward and off balance. All of them have allowed the attacker to move too far forward in the technique, they should have caught him at the very beginning of his movement. They are all dead...:D

Yup. That "attack on IN" ("YIN" in Chinese) initiative is tough. Methinks one may even have to initiate rather than wait to make it work.

The KI + KI version (TENKAN) is more realistic, I think, and quite devastating the way it face-plants UKE.

[Gene Williams]

It is hard to do initiating. My experience with seniors is that they can take the initiative back from you too easily if they haven't committed. It is hard to read senior intentions precisely enough, for me, to make ippon dori work that way. It is a tough technique to master. We had an aikidoka come train with us some and he taught us the aikido tenkan and irimi versions of some of our jujutsu techniques. An eye-opener:D

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Gene Williams
They're not doing it right. Uke should be bent backward and off balance. All of them have allowed the attacker to move too far forward in the technique...
It's a single still photograph. How accurately can you judge what they are doing based on so little information?

Does this really belong in the Krappy Karate Katana Kamae thread? I think not (said Descarte as he vanished into nothingness).

[Gene Williams]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
It's a single still photograph. How accurately can you judge what they are doing based on so little information?

Does this really belong in the Krappy Karate Katana Kamae thread? I think not (said Descarte as he vanished into nothingness).

You can tell by their positioning. The attacker should never get that far forward into the technique. It is wrong; they are dead. We'll get back on topic...keep your pants on.;)

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Gene Williams
You can tell by their positioning. The attacker should never get that far forward into the technique. It is wrong; they are dead. We'll get back on topic...keep your pants on.;)
But this may be the very first time the students have been shown the technique, and they may just be stepping through the basics.

So it may not be "wrong" -- that's why I say don't nit-pick a single still photo.

And I can't keep my pants on because I'm buck naked, having just stepped out of a hot bath. When I've cooled down I'll put on my pants...and keep them on at least until I get off work in the morning.

[ulvulv]

Help, its turning blue from the cold!

[ulvulv]

Guy on the left, thinking: "What if I put the bo carefully towards his butt. Oops, he lifted his foot. Oh, noooo....

Guy on the right: "Oh what a slow dude. As soon as I have wiped my sweat, I will do the world a favor with a flying double scissors sidekick and wipe him out with my Sublime Lethal One Inch Breath."

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Gene Williams
You can tell by their positioning. The attacker should never get that far forward into the technique. It is wrong; they are dead. We'll get back on topic...keep your pants on.;)
Hey, Gene - you ever try that stuff with anyone that can actually swing a sword? I've only ever seen it demonstrated with a slow attack of pretty obvious intent. I'd be interested to see what percentage of the time a good kendoka smacks you on the head with a shinai before you can get inside his maai.

[S Ford-Powell]

Well, Neil as a jiujitsuka, aikidoka and judoka, who has done that technique in all three arts for over 25 years, I could confidently predict that a reasonable standard kendoka would hit you, oh....say... mmm.... about 100% of the time (like they would, whatever you tried to do)

[Paul Kerr]

As a long(ish) time aikidoka and a much shorter time kendoka I'd say the aikidoka will get blattered every time. Neil is spot on - that only works with people making big, slow, telegraphed movements. I even saw a VERY well known aikido sensei get smacked down in this very technique in a seminar by a guy that turned out to be (yup, you guessed) a kendoka.

[Gene Williams]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Hey, Gene - you ever try that stuff with anyone that can actually swing a sword? I've only ever seen it demonstrated with a slow attack of pretty obvious intent. I'd be interested to see what percentage of the time a good kendoka smacks you on the head with a shinai before you can get inside his maai.

Neil, I've never thought of ippon dori as a technique against a sword. It can be used, in one form or another, against punches and strikes with good effect. Anytime an unarmed guy is facing a swordsman my money is on the swordsman.:D As to the technique in the picture, first, those are karate guys playing with swords which is something I hate. Also, if you are going to try to do jujutsu/aiki techniques, don't do them in karate stances and with a karate mindset.It might actually help if you train in jujutsu or aiki for a little while:D

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.wka.org/images/sword2.JPG

[Charlie Kondek]

Everyone knows this is how to defeat a sword strike when you are unarmed.

http://www.unc.edu/~jderrick/Photos.html

http://www.unc.edu/~jderrick/Sword3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.enecopia.com/bjorn/bilder/sword3.JPG

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.enecopia.com/bjorn/bilder/sword5.JPG

[Charlie Kondek]

EDIT:

Image too large and found here...

http://fursuit.timduru.org/dirlist/Other/Furbo/Cavalier/cavalier-sword3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

I remember reading once that this guy was often called in to evaluate priceless swords, probably by the same people in the CIA for whom he worked...

http://www.washingtonaiki.org/images/sword3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.satoryuninjutsu.com/sword3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

It's not easy being green.

http://www.kyushokarateusa.com/GALLERIES/PROMOS%20&%20EVENTS/SWORD3.jpg

Lots more fun here:

http://www.kyushokarateusa.com/EXHIBITION%20GALLERY%201.html

If it's got light-touch KOs you know it's good!

http://www.kyushokarateusa.com/VIDEOCLIPS.html

[Charlie Kondek]

http://stevenweasley.actorsite.com/images/sword3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

Mark Dacascos is...

...American Samurai...

http://www.markdacascos.org/samuri.html

Or is he... Stayin' Alive???


http://www.markdacascos.org/Samuri/sword3.JPG

http://www.lookalikesbychar.com/photos/johntrav.jpeg

[Ren Blade]

http://home.earthlink.net/~mikekirk/k_newphotos.htm

http://home.earthlink.net/~mikekirk/k_newphotos_files/Colombo1.jpg

[Brian Owens]

Ah, finally. Now this last bunch is what I call Krappy.

(Love the kid in the black Tank Top. :D )

[Jock Armstrong]

I know this is a silly question, but what posesses people to put such things on the net in the first place??

"Look Mom, I know absolutely nothing about this subject...."

Egad- loved the furry suit dude with the highlander nito waza................:D :cool:

[Charlie Kondek]

Originally posted by Jock Armstrong
Egad- loved the furry suit dude with the highlander nito waza................:D :cool:

I happen to know for a fact that that's Dan Harden in his training rig....

;)

[G. Zepeda]

Please God, make it stop! Make it stop!!!

[Charlie Kondek]

"No, Gil! You stop!"

http://www.hoshindo.com/hoshindo2/kendo_pedro.gif


"You got a little something on your jacket - made you look!"

http://www.sb-company.de/Kampfkunst/Kampfkuenste/kenjitsu/kenjutsu2.jpg

[Gene Williams]

This is torture. We should close the thread in the interests of taste and decency.

[G. Zepeda]

Looks like I got a little raspberry danish left on my cheek...



http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/leevan.htm

That's it, Charlie, I'm calling in the big guns...

[Charlie Kondek]

The horror! The horror!

http://www.warriorquest.com/ninjasword.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.gungfu.com/pics_general/pics_karate_uniforms/clothes_ninja_uniform.jpg

[kenkyusha]

Charlie,

Dangit man, what has possessed this spree... and what can we do to keep em coming?

Be well,
Jigme

[gendzwil]

Here's one:

[G. Zepeda]

"Wait, does thing look sharp to you?"


http://www.lyon-karate.com/karate_weapons_bokken.php

[Charlie Kondek]

I don't know what got into me. I thought I could try posting pics "recreationally." I never knew I could get "hooked!"

AHH! Gendzwil, what IS that dude doing?

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by G. Zepeda
"Wait, does thing look sharp to you?"


http://www.lyon-karate.com/karate_weapons_bokken.php

He has been here before, with a shinai that time, which was turned upside down, If I remember correctly.

[ulvulv]

ok here he is again, no reason to start digging:

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Gendzwil, what IS that dude doing?
"Teaching strategy", apparently. See here (http://swordplayalliance.com/okami.htm).

[Charlie Kondek]

Originally posted by gendzwil
"Teaching strategy", apparently. See here (http://swordplayalliance.com/okami.htm).

Oh! Why didn't I see that before?

Hahaha!

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by gendzwil
"Teaching strategy", apparently. See here (http://swordplayalliance.com/okami.htm).
And he must know what he is doing. After all, their art is highly regarded. "Ookami Kenjutsu has been recognized by the International Han Shi Organization, an organization of International Martial Arts Masters & Founders, and described by them as a 'natural katana form'."

Uh huh. Right. :rolleyes:

[Jock Armstrong]

"Han Shi"- isn't that how you decorate your house? These guys have it all!!!

[Charlie Kondek]

This one is too big, I think, so follow the link. Might be from a legit class but boy is it a lousy pic:

http://members.aol.com/amehapkido/rs_kumdo.gif

Have we seen this one already?

http://www.yoseikan.asso.fr/images/mainpage/bigformat/kenjutsu.jpg

[David T Anderson]

Apparently this guy has been around for a very long time, and has inspired legions of know-nothing swordhandlers...

http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/image43.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

This is gonna sound b-tchy, but I think this looks bad:

http://www.taomartialarts.com/ken/ken_p_chudan.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

Hm. After checking out the site a bit more I still find it odd, but I think posting that last pic in this thread could be construed as insulting to our ninja friends. So I am going to ask that the admins delete it.

Apologetically,

Charlie

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
This is gonna sound b-tchy, but I think this looks bad:

[snip image]
Just looks like a beginner in cheap bogu to me, what's so Krappy about that?

[Charlie Kondek]

Well, Gendzwil, the context of the pic was that it's on the site as an illustration of that style of kenJUTSU's chudan no kamae. As we have said before, if you want one pic representing your style to the net, don't you want it to be a good one?

[gendzwil]

I suspected there might be something else to it, but as you posted the picture with no accompanying url or whatever...

[Charlie Kondek]

Right! Have a look, it's a kung-fu school, sorta, I guess...

http://www.taomartialarts.com/

http://www.taomartialarts.com/ken/ken_p2.html

[gendzwil]

If you look around there, you'll see the page that those photos link from is labelled "kenjutsu/kendo" without any further clarification. The videos they link are from the Santa Clara worlds. Looks like a grab-bag school that dabbles in kendo. I think we can cut them some slack, they certainly don't belong in this thread.

[Charlie Kondek]

Oh. I just posted it because it was krappy. I'm assuming they don't have to be karate or kung fu krappy but any krappy. Maybe I'm unclear about what the rules (if any) are for the pics posted in this thread?

This one's from KarateUSA.org:

http://www.karateusa.org/files/david1.jpg

BTW, here's one of Neil:

http://wcmaa.homestead.com/files/Jimmy_Wenneburg_pic1.JPG

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.southernmartialarts.com/images/sword.jpg

http://www.southernmartialarts.com/images/sword2.jpg

And one of me and my homies, prepared to take all comers:

http://samurai.gungfu.com/mainpic3.jpg

[Charlie Kondek]

www.samurai-cobra.co.uk

http://www.samurai-cobra.co.uk/images/SwordMark.jpg

[ulvulv]

A bit mean spirited to post children. What about returning to "beginners mind"?
Your posting spree has some questionable sidetracks.

Nice pic, technical errors and krappy is not the same.

I dont mean any discouragement, keep the krap coming, but kuality krap, please.
;)

[ulvulv]

just unberried

[ulvulv]

http://home.cogeco.ca/~tokumeikan/kamae1.htm

I dont feel totally at ease with these kamae, you can decide yourself if they are krap or not.
Generally stiff and off balance, I think it is far to pretentious to put these pics out as an instructional "guide" to different stances
:cry:

[gendzwil]

Seeing as these guys advertise that they teach both Katori Shinto Ryu and Ona Ha Itto Ryu, I think we can safely dismiss them as cranks. I note the front page of their website contains a special notice warning people away from "a gentleman" teaching "Katori Shinto Omori Ryu" who is not affiliated with them. Imagine the gall of some other poseur setting up shop in their town!

[ulvulv]

this seem like a rather interesting guy. Not krappy, just ....different. I understand that he is good at making sword, and chopping rope in various outfits. Him, not the rope ;)

see for yourself:
http://www.babeswithblades.com/angel_sword.htm

[ulvulv]

In their own words:
"Master Chow practicing Japanese sword"

[ulvulv]

cant help myself

[Charlie Kondek]

It seems the Tokumeikan (sp) folks trace their lineage to the Sugino gentleman being discussed in the other thread.

[Charlie Kondek]

In re: Kiddie Kamae, could spark another thread about the appropriateness of age and sword training. *shrugs* I must know where the "unberried" one came from. What movie is that?

[kenkyusha]

About the unearthed photo:
D. E. Tarver...

Be well,
Jigme

[Enfield]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Seeing as these guys advertise that they teach both Katori Shinto Ryu and Ona Ha Itto Ryu, I think we can safely dismiss them as cranks.I couldn't find it this time, but I've looked around that sight before, and I remember that there used to be a section about Sasamori Takemi, implying that he was their Ono-ha Itto Ryu instructor. According to the website for Ono-ha Itto Ryu under Sasamori sensei, the only branch dojo is in San Marino near Los Angeles.

http://onohaittoryu.3.pro.tok2.com/

Now, I suppose they could have switched lines since I last browsed the site. :rolleyes:

[tsurashi shondo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenkyusha
[B]About the unearthed photo:
D. E. Tarver...
***********************************************
Nope not Tarver, that's the stunt school ninja guy....name escapes me.

[Musashi do]

Just to make sure we are on the same page here.... our kenjitsu sensei and shihan told us never to weild your sword with your left hand on top, Even if your left-handed. Its funny, my left handed peers have never complained about it though.did you remeber to put pinkie on the bottom of the sword?......?

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Musashi do
...did you remeber to put pinkie on the bottom of the sword?
That varies somewhat depending on the ryu. Some curl the little finger of the left hand below the kashira, some have a few centimeters of the kashira protruding from the gripped hand, etc.

Each ryu has its particular reason for doing things their way, and none is "wrong" per se, just different.

To be proper fodder for the KKKK thread, something should be really out in left field, like doing a karate kokutsu dachi while twirling a katana between the legs...stuff like that.

[Musashi do]

thanks for showing me the right way. I had no idea of that.

[hyouriittai]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Here's one:

Swordplay Alliance (http://swordplayalliance.com/mission.htm)We are not re-enactors, sport fencers, Renaissance performers or role players. We teach adults (18 & older) fencing as a martial art instead of fencing as a sport. We teach fencing as if training for a duel in the time period of the duel of honor, 1600's to 1800's.

Heh, they coulda' fooled me.

Edit: This (http://swordplayalliance.com/photogallery/chattookami03.htm) is painful to look at..

[muschio]

Originally posted by Paulo K. Ogino
I love Tori Amos... guess she is creating an "Amos Ryu"... I'll follow her to the end of the world (including krappy kamaes)...:)

My Dai sempai told me about a Tori's picture in this section and instantly I went through the forty-something pages on this thread, just to watch the picture since I haven't knew she did that on the Why-kant-period... thanx for that. By the way, I would follow her to wherever she goes to...

[Moniteur]

tori picture? what page??? drool...

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by muschio
My Dai sempai told me about a Tori's picture in this section and instantly I went through the forty-something pages on this thread...
Welcome to E-Budo. I hope you enjoy this sometimes funny thread, and the more serious threads as well.

Please remember, though, that the rules of this forum require you to sign all posts with your real name.

I used the "User Control Panel" (user cp) botton to take me through the process of adding an automatic signature so I don't have to always remember to do it manually.

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
It seems the Tokumeikan (sp) folks trace their lineage to the Sugino gentleman being discussed in the other thread.

Obviously they would like to, but I do not think that is approved by Sugino dojo. I will send an e-mail to the woman who is pictured in yoroi, and ask if they are allowed to use the pictures. I dont think so.

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
In re: Kiddie Kamae, could spark another thread about the appropriateness of age and sword training. *shrugs* I must know where the "unberried" one came from. What movie is that?


http://www.warriorquest.com/chambara.html

[ulvulv]

Ninjas skipping rope
http://www.warriorquest.com/auxiliarytraining.html

[A. Bakken]

http://www.bujinkan.hr/img/ninjutsu/foto/nin10.jpg

[tsurashi shondo]

"my naginata is all out of bullets"

[Brian Owens]

Somebody forgot the image size limits set by John Lindsey. :nono:

Lest we loose it to deletion, here it is in an acceptable size.

[nicojo]

There's nothing that screams sword mastery like a faux charlie's angels pose.

The guy on the right has invented his own kamae "dumbhasso"

[colinlam]

Originally posted by Yagyu Kenshi
Somebody forgot the image size limits set by John Lindsey. :nono:

Lest we loose it to deletion, here it is in an acceptable size.

no offense, but that guy on the left looks like Mr. Bean .......

[hyaku]

Originally posted by colinlam
no offense, but that guy on the left looks like Mr. Bean .......

I thought they all looked like him with the poses

[ulvulv]

http://www.rialian.com/wtt5/pictures/parrystrike.jpg
http://beginners-mind.net/maec/fall_frolic_demo/shinai.jpg
http://www.kungfula.com/new-photos/Tim-Shinai-small.jpg

[Andy Watson]

Good job Samurai only used bamboo to cut each other with...

[Ren Blade]

Originally posted by ulvulv
http://www.kungfula.com/new-photos/Tim-Shinai-small.jpg
This one is too funny.

So he's practicing how to grab it by the blade and then point the handle at his enemy to take it from him. Slice off his fingers as the enemy grabs the handle and pulls. Or the enemy grabs the handle and pushes the tip into him and still slice off his fingers. What is this guy thinking?

[monkeyboy_ssj]

Originally posted by Ren Blade
This one is too funny.

So he's practicing how to grab it by the blade and then point the handle at his enemy to take it from him. Slice off his fingers as the enemy grabs the handle and pulls. Or the enemy grabs the handle and pushes the tip into him and still slice off his fingers. What is this guy thinking?

What's with his belt too? Attached at the hip got a new meaning? ;)

Cheers

[Charlie Kondek]

IT LIVES!

Gorsh. Why are those dudes in their socks?

[Chi]

I absolutely love this thread! I expected to find one or two of my "ninjer pics" pop up :D

Originally posted by John McCollum
Christian Cooper used to post on E-budo, and was a Bujinkan member, I'm sure.

I still lurk every few months, too! Hence why I'm bumping a thread to reply to stuff from last August... (between pages 2 and 10 of this thread I think)

Yep, I was once a paid-up card carrying Booj member, but only for about 9 months, and that was almost a decade (!) ago. nowadays, I can be found trying pitifully to learn Iaido and Jodo (and arsing it up). Of course, all this is only part of my plan for the "Samurai vs Ninja" photo shoot to be made one day :)

Originally posted by dirithtai
Also, while I question some of his japanese translations, some of his information is accurate, and though it would take a lot more research than I have time for to verify it all, I'm not really willing to dismiss him out of hand as another "real ultimate power" kiddiot.

Eeeee... please do not take any of the material on that page at face value. It was written when I was a teenager, and most of it is paraphrased from the sources listed at the bottom (chiefly Mat Hjelm's site, Hatsumi's "Ninjutsu: History & Tradition", and Donn Draeger's "Ninjutsu").

I'd take it down, but its a reminder of how easy it is to spread information of dubious quality on the web, and besides which I occasionally get emails from Fuma Ryu guys trying to convince me their art is real. No really, it is. And Ashida Kim had an argument with me over my statement about his hokey organisation (which has now been removed, since he finally asked me nicely to). All that fun I'd miss if I removed my dodgy ninja website!

Originally posted by dirithtai
To point out regarding the guys in the ninja get-ups:

Some (read a lot of emphasis on that) of those pictures actually incorperate at least approximations of proper Bujinkan technique, though since I can't see their feet, or make out many details from the black on black clothes in low quality images. While the costumes are a mite silly, some of the guy's blocking technique is at least halfway decent, in a proper hicho no kamae supporting the weapon on his leg or torso to absorb the impact and avoid turning the blade over. Bujinkan sword work isn't pretty like most koryu JSA. Also, the one image I saw of him with a bo he's in pretty good kamae, and taking the side of the sword with his staff.

The ninja pics page was most definitely a joke - me and a friend of mine were fooling around with homemade ninja costumes (in the stylee of Mortal Kombat), and whilst a few (maybe 4) of the pics are actual technique being half-assed by a couple of beginners (tomoe nagare, one of the sword blocks with the bo, the block of a bo ashi barai strike, the metsubishi pic etc),*most* of the pics are for our own amusement.

Attached is my favourite of my joke sword pic... just think "NinjaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA!"

http://glass.tvu.ac.uk/~chi/ninja/images/sword.jpg

Now, has no-one got copies of the awesome Fuma Ryu swordsmanship? I seem to remember seeing some pretty amazing sword work...

[Gene Williams]

Guys, this is awful! Stop! I'm hurting myself laughing, then crying at the fact that these idiots are realkly out there!:D :cry:

[monkeyboy_ssj]

Hey Christian, I am the resident Fuma Ryu hater around here :D

Getting threatened and what not because I go around telling people who they are trying to get famous from that they are big fakes :laugh:

They hate me!

It's quite funny how some people I know take those photos seriously of yours, it looks like people just having a laugh if you ask me!

I've got a couple of pictures of me dressed as Tenchu for a Fancy Dress party, they will probably come back and bite me in a arse one day!

If you feel like coming to the usual UK Meets that I arrange it would be good to have you come along, they are usually in London or the next one will be at Seni 2004.

Cheers

[Ren Blade]

It's Reptile from Mortal Kombat.
http://glass.tvu.ac.uk/~chi/ninja/images/sword.jpg

http://jedijenn0.tripod.com/MortalKombat/reptile.gif

[Chi]

Originally posted by monkeyboy_ssj
It's quite funny how some people I know take those photos seriously of yours, it looks like people just having a laugh if you ask me!

People taking the pics seriously makes it all the more funny to me! I mean come on... a crossed arm block against a SHOTGUN?! Is that not enough of a dead giveaway? :D The best thing is that I've found people taking it seriously not only on message boards, but in Internet Newsgroups as well! My influence will travel, and one day, I'll see serious ninjer-wannabees attempting the very same "moves" performed as a joke...

Originally posted by monkeyboy_ssj
If you feel like coming to the usual UK Meets that I arrange it would be good to have you come along, they are usually in London or the next one will be at Seni 2004.

Yeah, I just read about it in the Member's Lounge. I won't be at SENI sadly, but am certainly up for the next London meet (assuming I read e-budo frequently enough to find out about it before it happens - I completely missed the posting about meet #4 by virtue of not logging on for 6 months)

Ren: The Reptile/Mortal Kombat look was EXACTLY whgat we were going for. Hence the industrial dust mask I was wearing...

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by ulvulv
http://www.rialian.com/wtt5/pictures/parrystrike.jpg
http://beginners-mind.net/maec/fall_frolic_demo/shinai.jpg
http://www.kungfula.com/new-photos/Tim-Shinai-small.jpg


In this one, I'd love to know how they think they can even make a single cut holding the shinai that way. I think it's kind of sad... All those kids think they are learning something.

And, regarding the photo with the shinai held by the blade, maybe he's a dancer. Dancers use props, and wouldn't know most likely, the proper way to hold it. That'd explain the belt, probably, too.

http://beginners-mind.net/maec/fall_frolic_demo/shinai.jpg

Edit: Uh, well, that was supposed to show the pic, but I guess I didn't do that right. Oh well. I put up a pic once, a long time ago, but I fogot what I did, to do that! Sorry about that.

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
IT LIVES!

Gorsh. Why are those dudes in their socks?


Their feet were cold? :D Why's he using a kid's shinai and a left handed grip? Well, considering they aren't kendoka, they won't know this stuff. So I guess we have to give them a little bit of a break... :D

[Ren Blade]

You should email them a list of dojos where they can learn how to properly do Japanese sword. And then a few years from now they can look back on these pics and think, "damn what was I thinking then?";)

[Chidokan]

do serious martial artists actually go to SENI??? I thought it was just a rip off run by the NEC to fleece wannabe ninjas, while 'masters' demonstrate to music wearing odd coloured gi..... I might go if its actually worth it....

[ulvulv]

What is SENI? Just post some links if its to much of a drag to explain.

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by Ren Blade
You should email them a list of dojos where they can learn how to properly do Japanese sword. And then a few years from now they can look back on these pics and think, "damn what was I thinking then?";)

Ahahaha, too funny!! :D Funny thing is, I might actually have dojos in/near their area that are in my dojo list... Have never looked though, haha! Would they actually check them out if I even sent them a list?? hehehe! Somehow, I doubt it... too bad for them, huh? ;) Ah well... At least they're happy... Unaware, but happy.

[Tripitaka of AA]

Love the eyes;

[Tripitaka of AA]

THose guys in socks (and the one holding the wrong end of the Shinai, if I'm not mistaken) are on this beautiful gallery page (http://www.kungfula.com/gallery.html). The poses are ... well, the Kung Fu guys enjoyed them (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=29614&highlight=Larry) (and some more...) over on the KungFuMagazine forum.

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Tripitaka of AA
THose guys in socks (and the one holding the wrong end of the Shinai, if I'm not mistaken) are on this beautiful gallery page (http://www.kungfula.com/gallery.html).
Well, he's holding the right end of the shinai, but an X-block?! :rolleyes:

A shinai represents a sword, for crying out load. An x-block, or any direct block with a body part against the edge of a sword, would leave the defender with much needed portions of his body lying in a pool of blood on the ground.

Very definitely KKKK fodder. :saw:

[ulvulv]

I just have this chanbara aversion. Cant help it. ;)

[ulvulv]

hmm

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
hmm
Dojo night at the karaoke bar?

Karaoke night at the dojo?

[Chidokan]

SENI is where all the trade stands supply kit at over inflated prices due to being charged £500 per small table...and all the dodgy organisations go to recruit! O.K, O.K, before everyone jumps down my throat, there may be some serious groups as well, but I would guess these are in the minority. I would however suggest that if anyone goes they could fill the rest of this thread with erm...'interesting' pictures.:D
heres a link...the anniversary celebration of 'enter the dragon' and the 'world title bouts' really sums it up for me however...:rolleyes:

http://www.necgroup.co.uk/visitor/whatson/2198/

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by Chidokan
SENI is where all the trade stands supply kit at over inflated prices due to being charged £500 per small table...and all the dodgy organisations go to recruit! O.K, O.K, before everyone jumps down my throat, there may be some serious groups as well, but I would guess these are in the minority. I would however suggest that if anyone goes they could fill the rest of this thread with erm...'interesting' pictures.:D
heres a link...the anniversary celebration of 'enter the dragon' and the 'world title bouts' really sums it up for me however...:rolleyes:

http://www.necgroup.co.uk/visitor/whatson/2198/

Thanks Mr Hamilton.
But this seems very serious:

" After four successful years, this cutting edge festival will host spectacular demonstrations, world-class super bouts, lifestyle arenas, master classes, workshops and an exclusive new power and fitness zone!

The show is formulated and designed with the martial arts fanatic in mind. It encourages those that are interested, intrigued or fanatic about martial arts to come along and experience the very best martial arts has to offer. "




;)

[Chidokan]

shall I get you a ticket???:D

[ulvulv]

I am going to have my own stand, selling all my postings on the kkk-thread, in postcard format. Just look for the guy in top to toe kevlar-padding and his 10 mossad life-guards. Bring your Visa.

[El Guapo-san]

I love Larry's banana peel kick....

http://www.kungfula.com/img/larry-butterfly-kick-25-large.jpg

Damn elementary schoolers always leaving lunch trash in the dojo....

Ahh, those wacky guys.

J. Vlach, Amsterdam

[Shison]

FWIW

I taught a class to the Stevenson Jujutsu club quite a few months ago. They trained at a place I used to work at. By my works requirement, I could not train in bare feet, so I ended up wearing socks during the class.

Yes I have photos and a video of it

No you may not...

[Ren Blade]

Originally posted by ulvulv
hmm
http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=292125

I don't know either. But are those silk Keikogis they're wearing? Do they make and sell keikogis and hakamas?

[tsurashi shondo]

Hold still a second honey, This'll sting a little 'kay?

[tsurashi shondo]

I am the master of cobra-skin sword style!

This bloke taches something he calls Heiwasensijutsu. No really, I'm serious.
Sure is a lotta rank on that young fella's waist
heh?

[Chidokan]

in one art I remember, you start with a red belt....maybe that one means he has 5 beginners belts, and his white belt got mixed in with his gi in the wash...
I bet he has a stand at SENI....:rolleyes:

[hyaku]

Originally posted by Ren Blade
I don't know either. But are those silk Keikogis they're wearing? Do they make and sell keikogis and hakamas?

Yes its called Ro.

More commonly used as summer wear by priests.

Rather expensive!

[ulvulv]

:eek:

[hyaku]

Read this on a Sword Forum thread

Sorry, I don't have any pictures of them. We don't go in for pictures much (for fear of the KKKK thread on e-budo! )

Lol, Looks like the KKKK is having a good effect.

[Bronson]

Ooooh, found this one the other day :)

[tsurashi shondo]

now, what's krappy about that?
Yowza!!

[Bronson]

Originally posted by tsurashi shondo
now, what's krappy about that?
Yowza!!

Ummm, the blade? Yeah, I guess that's about it :D

[Maro]

Originally posted by Bronson
Ooooh, found this one the other day :)

Looks like an "Adult" Kamae!
:D :D :D

[Aozora]

It's krappy that she's not my girlfriend!

:up:

[ace862]

Originally posted by Bronson
Ummm, the blade? Yeah, I guess that's about it :D

She was holding a blade?!? Oh yeah! I see it now. :D I was distracted for a moment...

[tsurashi shondo]

that lovely lass has her own web-site..

www.iamtrouble.com

It's very ........good.

[Yamaken]

http://www.kwonsustc.com/html/focus__concentration____cake_.html


Remember, we are responsible for teaching the next Krappy generation proper cutting methods.

[Yamaken]

can't see the picture? go here:

http://www.kwonsustc.com/html/focus__concentration____cake_.html

[tsurashi shondo]

tae kwon krappy kake-kendo!! lmao!

[tsurashi shondo]

the photo resized

[El Guapo-san]

http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/8888/img/nyanmage.jpg

Nyanmage needs to work on his kamae a bit.

J. Vlach, Amsterdam

[Paul Kerr]

Shiny ki-power!!

[ulvulv]

http://www.hindu.com/lf/2003/09/29/images/2003092901400201.jpg

funny angle kendo kamae

[Doug Stryker]

This gentleman is an authority on European weaponry, but his cutting looks to be a bit lacking in this picture.

Regards,
Doug

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Doug Stryker
This gentleman is an authority on European weaponry, but his cutting looks to be a bit lacking in this picture.
He must be a kendoka. Look at his rear heel. ;)

[sean_stonehart]

That looks like Hank Reinhardt.

[Doug Stryker]

I believe it is Mr. Reinhardt. I've never met the guy. I've heard he really knows his stuff, but he looks really off-balance in this pic.

Regards,
Doug

[ulvulv]

http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/Sword_SiteSet/gallery.html

here are some of the worst swordschwiiinging examples I have ever seen on the internet.
Do not sip any beverage during viewing, you will most likely cough it all over the screen :p

[sean_stonehart]

If it is Hank Reinhardt, believe me I doubt he's off balance. The man's a walking encyclopedia on Western Knife arts & Elizbethan fencing as well as other Euro bash 'em up, cut 'em up arts. While I've unfortunately never met him, I've talked to people who have & label him as the real deal with a blade. Mind you... this is 2nd hand knowledge, but that's the word I got anyway. ;)

[Aozora]

Originally posted by ulvulv
http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/Sword_SiteSet/gallery.html

here are some of the worst swordschwiiinging examples I have ever seen on the internet.
Do not sip any beverage during viewing, you will most likely cough it all over the screen :p

I think I just spontaneously produced peanut butter and jelly and spewed it all over the monitor... I CANNOT believe someone did a "sword kata" to that song!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Aozora]

*reading*


Scabbord paint jobs - Glitter, Pearl, Candy Apple, Artwork, Wood, Flames


Ohhhhhhhhhh, man! I'm getting one of each! Won't sensei be suprised?!

:eek:

followed by

:shot:

[Paul Kerr]

This video (http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/video/KKAD03_07_JonesVernonWeap.mpeg) HAS to take the prize. I'm speechless.

[ace862]

Originally posted by Paul Kerr
This video (http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/video/KKAD03_07_JonesVernonWeap.mpeg) HAS to take the prize. I'm speechless.

Was that a booty shake!?!?!?!?! :eek: :rolleyes:
Again I must ask, "What was he thinking?"

[gendzwil]

Same dude as the pb&j one I think. In his defence, at least there were no flips and only one kick :)

I think I'm gonna try a combination fist pump/booty shake after a point in my next exam - think it'll fly?

[Aozora]

Originally posted by gendzwil
Same dude as the pb&j one I think. In his defence, at least there were no flips and only one kick :)

I think I'm gonna try a combination fist pump/booty shake after a point in my next exam - think it'll fly?

As long as youdo that little cheerleader reishiki thing before and after like he does, I think you'll be good.

"Ready? OK!"

:eek:

[Paul Kerr]

Same dude as the pb&j one I think. In his defence, at least there were no flips and only one kick

Yup, same guy Neil. I think there's finally a worthy successor to the throne of 'Professor' (ahem) Ronald Duncan :)

[Ren Blade]

http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/video/Taishi%20Sword%20Kata%20-%20Slow.MPG
Looks like a kata you would see at a sport Karate tournament.

[Chuck.Gordon]

Originally posted by Paul Kerr
HAS to take the prize. I'm speechless.

That is SO cute.

(now I gotta clean my monitor and keyboard off).

WTF, over?

Wife says, "That's indeed a booty shake, and a quite good one. But it ain't budo, honey."

Ahem.

Chuck

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Chuck.Gordon

Wife says, "That's indeed a booty shake, and a quite good one. But it ain't budo, honey."

I think Kim ought to invite him over to GSJSA this year. He might not win the respect of the koryu crowd, but he'd liven the parties up considerably.

[not-I]

Originally posted by Paul Kerr
This video (http://www.vernonjonesjr.com/video/KKAD03_07_JonesVernonWeap.mpeg) HAS to take the prize. I'm speechless.

That was da bomb! That guy is awesome! Seriously!

[hyaku]

Well....... one of my pet hate words in Japan is Kawaiiiiiiiiii...... But at last I just saw something that fits the word.

An ultimate experience in seeing the "Move to trash" menu on the comp

[kenoka]

Perhaps more kawaii-so.

[Ren Blade]

Colorful

http://www.budogala.ch/Budogala2003/Programm/Bilder/Samurai03.jpg

http://www.budogala.ch/Budogala2003/Programm/Bilder/Samurai05.jpg

[Ren Blade]

http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/PicturePage/pictures/01_bbconf_sword_md.jpg

[Andy Watson]

Someone make it stop!!!!!!

For God's sake, line 'em all up and lets get that tameshigiri practise in that we have missed for so long.

WHAT A LOAD OF PANTS!

[Wout]

one question: a nunchacku is made of wood right??
and a sword is made out fo steel??
And a steel sword cuts wood??
Maybe I'm making some crazy assuptions here but...

ehm wouldn't a sword cut it if you try to block like that.

Maybe the sword is scared of all the different flashy colors, I know I would be :)

[Shikiyanaka]

What about Eddy? Is he good?

[Paul Kerr]

What about Eddy? Is he good?


Wow, now I see where Uma modelled her kamae from for Kill Bill!

[ulvulv]

While we`re rocking:

[ulvulv]

sir paul
http://www.jeddy.org/paul/thingie.jpg

[ulvulv]

http://home.t-online.de/home/paul.yeo/hr_home.htm

Enter the link on your own risk.

[ulvulv]

http://www.paullarue.com/html/swords.html

Take a look at the pumpkin cutting. Good entertainment. Say no more

[Shikiyanaka]

sir paul
The name of the blade is "Big Bad Banana Junior".

[Charlie Kondek]

Can't make fun of the Euro guys, though. Different animal of swordsmanship altogether.

[Shikiyanaka]

The thread should be called "Krappy USA Karate Katana Kamae" :p

[ulvulv]

Even that animal is supposed to hold on to its sword, but I agree. ;)

[Ewok]

I thought I'd offer up a picture of myself, far far faaaar from good. Infact ive got no decent shots of me doing shorinji :(

Out of a 2min embu i got 8 photos of me in kamae and one action shot (me in an armlock looking like it hurts). Need a better photographer :(

http://users.on.net/tjapple/photo/kempo/FL030010.JPG
(im on left)

http://users.on.net/tjapple/photo/kempo/FL050017b.jpg
"Hurry up and take the photo, im falling over!!"

[ScottUK]

Originally posted by Ewok
Need a better photographer :( ...and a Katana for this thread! :rolleyes:

[Ewok]

err, i'll photoshop one in, after spending 4 or 5 hours reading about a 1/3 of the way through this thread it seemed to waver a bit in theme.

[Tripitaka of AA]

Hi Leon,

Using my special mind powers, I tricked you into posting yourself on the KKKK thread when you really wanted to put the pics onto the "Rogue's Gallery" thread in the Member's Lounge Forum. I also managed to get you to say you were the "one on the left" when the picture shows a girl with long hair on the left and you - the smiling Gaijin in Hoi - on the right. You may have thought you were describing the other picture, where you ARE on the left, but I tricked you...

Perhaps I could persuade a Moderator to move your posts to the relevant thread, now that I've had my fun.

This one is for slly sword-holding (and occasionally silly-sword holding), which pretty much rules out the Shorinji Kenshi, as we don't use such things. Mind you, the best examples of KKKK are from people who DON'T (or maybe just SHOULDN'T) use swords in their art. The moral of the thread is, if you don't know what you're doing, then don't let someone take a pcture of it.

[Gene Williams]

David, Thank you for paraphrasing me: "If you don't know what you are doing, don't do it." Someone should make it part of dojo kun.

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Tripitaka of AA
...I also managed to get you to say you were the "one on the left" when the picture shows a girl with long hair on the left and you - the smiling Gaijin in Hoi - on the right. You may have thought you were describing the other picture, where you ARE on the left, but I tricked you...
Gee, and I thought the general rule was that captions describe the photo above them. Like "im [sic] on left" goes with photo of him outdoors, and "Hurry up and take the photo, im falling over!!" goes with photo of him in hoi.

But maybe my photography and English teachers were using special mind powers on me and I have it backwards. ;)

[Tripitaka of AA]

Oh alright then, I was hoping that my hypnotic suggestion would affect everyone, but Brian is clearly not so easily fooled. If you really want to know, I was distracted by the bright sunshine in the foreground of the first pic, which I mistook for the white background on my monitor, thus causing me to associate the text with the lower pic (to which it seemed more adjacent).

In hindsight, I may have been better off just adding another Masuimi Max photo. Enough to play mind tricks on ANYONE, and still be a valid entry for this thread :)

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Tripitaka of AA
In hindsight, I may have been better off just adding another Masuimi Max photo. Enough to play mind tricks on ANYONE, and still be a valid entry for this thread :)
Oh my! :eek:

She's practically popping out of her...saya.

[Shikiyanaka]

See the floor?
The room is melting.

[not-I]

http://www.akarate.com/images/kendo2.jpg

do-uchi from bowling kamae

[Charlie Kondek]

Those Shorinji guys can do mind control! Wow, I...

Massssuuiiimmmiiiii... These are not the droids we're looking for...

[A. Bakken]

What is wrong with going down on one knee to deliver a do strike?

Originally posted by not-I
http://www.akarate.com/images/kendo2.jpg

do-uchi from bowling kamae

[ulvulv]

I personally would not call the pic krappy, its just a snapshot of one of the thousand "off-pist" things that may happen in kendo.
if you watch his feet, it seem like the right guy is standing square on the opponent. If he was more to the right, outside the other guys centerline, he may have cut do without being hit himself.

Not quite textbook, but krappy, no. I have heard that earlier you could score in shiai with a kneeling do in shiai. But not kneeling on the opponents centerline. :)

[Becky Sheetz]

I'm not sophisticated enough to paste in the pics of Iron Maiden's Eddy or Paul Stanley of Kiss, but let's keep them out of this travesty!

[not-I]

Originally posted by ulvulv
Not quite textbook, but krappy, no. I have heard that earlier you could score in shiai with a kneeling do in shiai. But not kneeling on the opponents centerline. :)

Well, i'll take your word for it, but the way he's gripping the tsuka looks mighty fishy too, what with his hands cranked and his right shoulder up in the air like that. No matter, these ARE karate guys, so at least i got one K right. ;)

[Tripitaka of AA]

I liked the "New York Skyline" trophy shelf on the wall of the Dojo. Is this set to replace the fake certificates and Soke Council Memberships as a way of authenticating the credibility of a Dojo... reminds me of all those "Irish Pubs" that buy knick-knacks and curios wholesale in bulk, to stick to the walls in order to make it feel "authentic".

[Dave Hart]

The photo's above remind me of the "twit" (keeping it couth) who was suppose to be doing Iai on the Discovery Channel a couple of months back. He stood there stripped to the waist, bristling with steroids, (severe lack of Zanshin) tried to do some type of Tachi Mae and would have probably managed to smash in the face of anyone standing next to him, as the tsuka made a larger cutting arc than the Kissaki. The best thing about these types of people is that the techniques are effective in a roundabout way. THE OPPONENT DIES LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlexM]

Originally posted by ulvulv
I personally would not call the pic krappy, its just a snapshot of one of the thousand "off-pist" things that may happen in kendo.
if you watch his feet, it seem like the right guy is standing square on the opponent. If he was more to the right, outside the other guys centerline, he may have cut do without being hit himself.

Not quite textbook, but krappy, no. I have heard that earlier you could score in shiai with a kneeling do in shiai. But not kneeling on the opponents centerline. :)

That's a crappy pic of crappy kendo. How can I tell you ask? :D Simple: if that's the best and only pic of kendo they could find for their website (I visited it) then they must be really terrible (and for the life of me I couldn't figure out who the head instructor is supposed to be).

And going down on one knee to do dou is all well and good if it's kata no.7, otherwise it's just ridiculous: If you do this with any kind of serious intent prepare to become the laughing stock of your dojo. And besides: if you're immobile, you're dead. So it's not really kendo. Plus, do you really want to make it easier to get your men clobbered?

One of our people used to do a keeling dou: a good one too (not like that picture). But I think he stopped after he did it against one of my sempai and paid for it. After he did dou he wound up kneeing right in front of him. The sempai in question hit about 3 to 4 hard and fast men-uchi in a row (I mean his head was right at kote level so why not). There was nothing the guy kneeling could do except try to block... he still took a pounding.

[theforceofwill]

Originally posted by Charlie Kondek
Right! Have a look, it's a kung-fu school, sorta, I guess...

http://www.taomartialarts.com/

http://www.taomartialarts.com/ken/ken_p2.html

I'm sure this reply is a bit late from a post a month ago, but I think I know who these people are. About 3 years ago, maybe 4, this chinese couple came to our dojo for a month or two. They said they've studied kendo for a year so our sensei let them practice. Apparently they studied it alright, from a book. After a month of us trying to fix their kendo and helping them, they quit. I guess they felt that they've learned all there is to learn about kendo while they were with us. I'm pretty sure it's the same people. However, in their picture guide they seem to have gotten assistance from two people who did kendo, Mr. Ichin and Ms. Mariko (who i've never seen). Maybe they imported them for a demo? But I'm pretty sure it's the because I remember hearing they were from lake tahoe and worked in the bay area (that's a long commute if you ask me).

[Charlie Kondek]

Yowza. Thanks, Will, interesting!

[E.elemental]

This thread is just to good to be true, many thanks to those who have contributed to it! :D

[Paburo]

http://www.jwz.org/images/capt.sge.thp43.250803151427.photo00.default-300x356.jpg could someone paste it here. i do not know how to do it. I wonder how would they do it in battle if they've done it at all

[kabutoki]

Hi Pablo,
I seriously recommend you to do a little research. The guy on the picture is doing suijutsu, one of really rare arts that are part of the bugei juhappan.
This picture doesn´t belong here for two simple reasons.
1. It´s neither crappy nor fake ryu or anything similar
2. It doesn´t even have a katana in it...

Karsten

[Paburo]

i know about suijutsu, and i know it dosen't have a sword. i just wanted to share a picture no need to be "harsh".

(that's why i tend to be shy on posting here). Sorry everyone.

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Paburo
i know about suijutsu, and i know it dosen't have a sword. i just wanted to share a picture...
I think I have seen that picture somewhere on E-Budo before, but it's been a while.

Thanks for sharing it, but Karsten was right; this wasn't the best choice of forums in which to post it.

That would be a good conversation starter in the Koryu: History and Traditions forum. If you re-post that link in the History and Traditions forum I bet you'd get some really interesting posts in response.

[kabutoki]

Hi Pablo,
rereading my post I realized that I may indeed have come across very harsh. I would like to apologize to you for that. I did not mean to be rude and I definately don´t want to give you another reason not to post on e-budo.
Take up Brians suggestion and post it in the koryi section. If I can I will add some info as well.

Again, I´m sorry

Karsten

[kakuma]

Where are the pictures. Nuff Talking.... Post more pictures.


Dale Joseph

[ulvulv]

Originally posted by kakuma
Where are the pictures. Nuff Talking.... Post more pictures.


Dale Joseph

You can decide: take the worst pic of these, and post it if you like. i could not decide, its all one giant smelly turd of exhibitionism.:p

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
You can decide: take the worst pic of these, and post it if you like.Uh, the worst of what?

Was there supposed to be a link there or something?

[ulvulv]

Yes, I forgot to put in the link and now I cant find it. Haha. I will find it later

[ulvulv]

ok then.
Now, what lineage is this?
:D
http://www.dna.caltech.edu/~dzhang/ma.html

[Paburo]

Is ok no hard feelings.

[Charlie Kondek]

Damn you, Pablo. DAMN YOU! I must be avenged.

http://www.badmovieplanet.com/unknownmovies/pictures/nsf2.jpg

"Hold still! Better yet, put yourself under my blade for a second..."

[Wout]

Originally posted by ulvulv
ok then.
Now, what lineage is this?
:D
http://www.dna.caltech.edu/~dzhang/ma.html


?????? what's this


I really like the 'chop of my head while I'm searching something I dropped on the floor'-stances

[ulvulv]

I found the lost cable for my scanner the other day, so I could finally share some pics from an old ma-book I have in the shelf. it looks like its the same guys that pose for several different material arts troughout the book. I post two pages, and if they are found suitable for this thread, I will post some more.

[ulvulv]

pic 2

[ulvulv]

I will highlight the swordpart from the first page:

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
I will highlight the swordpart from the first page:
That is the quintessential Krappy Karate Katana Kamae!

[tsurashi shondo]

Those are freakin' classic.
What's the origin of the book / title? :p

[Kaoru]

Originally posted by ulvulv
ok then.
Now, what lineage is this?
:D
http://www.dna.caltech.edu/~dzhang/ma.html


Oh my... I am so praying he never ever uses a live blade! So careless! :( I am just glad he is using a bokuto. He is much too reckless looking to be able to use one safely with no training. (Not that anyone without training is safe.)

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by ulvulv
...if they are found suitable for this thread, I will post some more.
I move that more be posted.

Do I hear a second?

[Chidokan]

seconded! do you think the guy with the sword is in pain because of his twisted wrist or has he just been 'caught by the nunchuks':eek: