kendokata

[ulvulv]

Some years ago, I managed to find the original names on the kendokata, but now I cant find it. Why are they only referred to by number, and does anybody have the original names?

[Charlie Kondek]

That probably appeared here at e-budo. I bet if you seatched a bit, you might find them. They come from a couple of different ryu, so that's probably why their full names are never used. That and they are now distinct from the original ryu.

[ulvulv]

I do not know if the names that were used originally on the kendo-kata were the same as in the bad old days, or if they got new names in the "revised edition" as part of the znkr-curriculum. They could have given the kata "new" names, right. Keeping the old names wouldnt be a cardinal sin either?
I cant find the names on e-budo, and my original source was definetly somewhere else, as i did not know about e-budo at the time.

[Charlie Kondek]

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=5767&highlight=kendo+kata

[DCPan]

Hmm...sounds to me like the origins of the ten "iai" kata are being confused with names for the "kendo kata" as in paired kumitachi?

:D "I don't think they had names"

[CEB]

The first one is called ipponme.
The second one is called nihonme.
The third one is called Sanbonme. ....
:D

[ulvulv]

The first one is called ipponme.
The second one is called nihonme.
The third one is called Sanbonme. ....



:nw: :nw: :nw:

[A.J. Bryant]

Some years ago, I managed to find the original names on the kendokata, but now I cant find it. Why are they only referred to by number, and does anybody have the original names?

Here's one I've seen... I'm sure it's not anything close to "official" however:

1. Nukimen
2. Nukigote
3. Tsuki Kaeshi
4. Kaeshi Uke
5. Suriage
6. Hanegote
7. Nukidô
8. Saten Menuchi
9. Uten Suigetsu Tsuki
10. Dôyoko Suigetsu Tsuki

Regards,

[DCPan]

Who am I?

2-4-6-0-1!!!

Okay, musical geeks should know where that's from....

As for the what Andrew wrote, those are largely the name of the techniques that the shidachi used to "decide" the outcome of the kata. I would not necessarily call them the "name" of the kata though.

1. Men-nuki-men
2. Kote-nuki-kote
3. Tsuki-Nayashi-Tsuki (as in the verb nayasu, not nagashi)
4. Tsuki-Kaeshi-Men
5. Men-suriage-men
6. Kote-suriage-kote
7. Men-nuki-do
8. Men-ukengashi-men (omote)
9. Men-ukenagashi-men (ura)
10. There's really 4 moves here...suri-age, suri-o-toshi, suri-nagashi, suri-komi.

[Charlie Kondek]

And so Javert you see it's true,
this man bears no more guilt than you...

Who am I?

Who am I?

I'M JEAN VALJEAN!

[ulvulv]

After some digging in old e-budo threads, i came up with this original names on kendokata:
Number.Name: school

1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Kurama Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu (Tsutsumi Hozan Ryu?)
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu

Comments?

[Federico Calboli]

Quote:

After some digging in old e-budo threads, i came up with this original names on kendokata:
Number.Name: school

1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Kurama Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu (Tsutsumi Hozan Ryu?)
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu

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to the best of my knowledge these are the name of the ten kata employed as the basis of police sword training and taught as "Keishi ryu Kidachi no Kata". I think that to learn this set you have to train with the Japanese police. I'd imagine that your average kendoka is more than happy to stop at the Nihon Kendo Kata and unwilling to add ten more kata to the bag (I'd love to, though)

So, to cut a long story short, I do not think that this list of names/schools applies to the set of kata generally known as "Nihon Kendo Kata". They are the names of an altogether different set.

Check (in French):

http://www.shinzen-dojo.net/le_dojo/kenjutsu/kenjutsu.html

Regards,
Federico Calboli

[Meik Skoss]

Those are names of techniques of Keishi-ryu, a group of kata that was formed back in the Meiji period. The "ryu" was/is intended to be provide a sort of "10 Best Techniques" of swordsmanship for a group of policemen of the time, a standardized curriculum.

Later, with the introduction of kendo in the public schools, kendo underwent a process of curricular formation and standardization and the Dai Nippon Teikoku Kendo Kata (which, after a couple of iterations, is now the Nihon Kendo Kata) was created to provide a technical standard for everybody training in the art.

Where the Nihon Kendo Kata is a "plain vanilla" sort of thing, with the techniques homogenized to fit the rationale of gendai kendo, the waza in the Keishi-ryu Kendo Kata retain many (most?) of the distinctive characterics of their parent systems. It's not practised or seen that much these days, but it is a *very* interesting set of waza and well worth the time and trouble of seeking instruction. I hope I can do that some day, myself, and would very much like to know if it's available here in the U.S.

I also think the Nihon Kendo Kata contains some very interesting material, though the way it's performed by many (most?) kendo exponents is pretty lame. A little more "oomph" and less of all the "pro forma" execution does a lot to bring back its intrinsic worth (in my not-so-humble opinion). Certainly, for people doing taijutsu of one sort or another, it's a useful vehicle for gaining insight into the nature of Japanese swordsmanship.

Hope this helps.

[DCPan]

Originally posted by Meik Skoss


I also think the Nihon Kendo Kata contains some very interesting material, though the way it's performed by many (most?) kendo exponents is pretty lame. A little more "oomph" and less of all the "pro forma" execution does a lot to bring back its intrinsic worth (in my not-so-humble opinion).

Does it have anything to do with the saying, "Do kata like keiko, and do keiko like kata?"

:D

[gendzwil]

The best advice I ever got on this was something along the lines of "everyone does kata like this: one, two, three, yah, toh. It has to feel like a fight, like each side might do something unexpected". For maximum effect, say "one, two, three, yah, toh" in a monotone with even pace.