What do YOU think happened to NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

[Jason Chambers]

http://www.companywebserver.net/natalee_holloway.jpg


!!!!HELP FIND NATALEE!!!! (http://www.companywebserver.net/natalee.htm)


No body; no case...

What do you think?

Personally I think these three lads had something to do with her disappearing. I don't think they will find her in any inland body of water though, considering they are on the OCEAN coastline.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!! :mad:

65 DAYS AND COUNTING!!!! :mad:

[Rogier]

boycott Aruba? Why?

How many missing persons in the US are never found?

[ChrisMoon]

Jason why would I even think of boycotting Aruba when 123 out of 124 high school seniors agree that Aruba ROCKS!

[william northcote]

How many missing persons in the US are never found?

Quite a lot. One person out of thousands is nothing. Another Laura Palmer case for damn fine coffee and strange people talking to logs.

[sean_stonehart]

Quite a lot. One person out of thousands is nothing. Another Laura Palmer case for damn fine coffee and strange people talking to logs.

Indeed ...

[elder999]

No body; no case...

What do you think?



They're probably never going to find her; the outgoing currents are very strong;the ocean is quite deep not far from there, and they may just have done it a little better than Scott Peterson.

[Onmitsu]

I thought the following was an interesting take on the Holloway case. The e-mailer was commenting on the article about the two ex-security gaurds that were taken into custody. THe article is posted here:

http://beta.abc3340.com/news/stories/0605/234011.html



Here's the comments:

maybecrazy IP: Logged Posted: 07/22 1:11a

"I really might be crazy, but if I were the parents I would want any ideas to help. I do not consider myself any sort of psychic, but I am a Christian who has prayed frequently that the sun would come up on this matter and someone would break and confess. Then I had a dream the other morning that a blonde girl was pushed off the balcony a few stories up of a building under construction. A middle-aged "thug-type" man was confessing fearfully to me what he had witnessed someone else do. When I awoke from the dream the details were pretty clear. The girl did not look at all like Natalee Holloway except that she was blonde. I had the thought that she must be buried under new construction somewhere, and then I tried to see if the hotel had had any recent remodeling, etc. but of course it isn't on the Marriott web site. This ABC article caught my eye in that the two men were fired while either their company or the hotel (not sure because of article wording) was under renovations. I wanted to tell someone, but too embarrassed to call the FBI about a dream, for gosh sake. Someone's probably already thought of that possibility, anyway. The only reason I give it any thought is because in the past year or so I've had 2 such dreams and woke up with the same feeling of elusive revelation and the details made sense once the whole story came out. I do pray for the family often and for the Truth to be seen fully and soon."

[Jason Chambers]

That certainly is possible. Here in Louisiana, they still have not found Mary Ann Fowler's body. She has been missing for a few years now. Supposedly Derrick Todd Lee (our black serial killer) had something to do with her 'disappearance'. LE went so far as to dig up his yard to no avail.

[stauburn]

Why did you have to refer to him as " our black serial killer"? Do you refer to other serial killer by their race?

Why would you want to boycott a whole country on the actions of an unknown individual(s)? Then should we not boycott Louisiana based on the case that you are referring to?

[ChrisMoon]

Why did you have to refer to him as " our black serial killer"? Do you refer to other serial killer by their race?

Why would you want to boycott a whole country on the actions of an unknown individual(s)? Then should we not boycott Louisiana based on the case that you are referring to?


I was wondering the same thing. No wonder law enforcement in the south has the reputation it does. Some of it just might be deserved.

[Jason Chambers]

I was wondering the same thing. No wonder law enforcement in the south has the reputation it does. Some of it just might be deserved.

Because THAT is what the national media referred to him as. If you are implying that I might have meant something racsit, then you have a WHOLE lot to learn about me.

:)

[stauburn]

That is true I do not know you, but what am I supposed to think when I read the 2 postings like that ? If I posted " the white wife murdering Scott Peterson" what would you think?

Unfortunately you words get a little more scrutiny because you are a police officer from the south and there are a lot of negative stereotypes that I am sure you have to put up with and admittedly my post was written with that scrutiny in mind.

I constantly challenge anyone that uses race as an identifier when it has no relavence to the situation to justify their reason. I am not accusing you of being a racist or discrimatory , but if you step outside yourself and think about what you posted I am sure you can see how your words may be interpeted in other ways.

I am not going to discuss the national media because they will say anything to sell their product and unfortunately racism sells.

I think this is the good thing about these forums because it promotes discussion , as well as a few arguements along the way but hopefully it educates as well.

We both share a common interest in Ninjutsu and hopefully that interest will form into a chance to get to know each other in the future

Peace

[Casper Baar]

Boycott Aruba?
If one missing person is enough to deprive a whole island of a very important part of it's income then surely making one xenophobic comment could be enough to boycott someone's presence on a forum.

I guess we could compare crime rates between Baton Rouge and Aruba. But why should we when we can compare police officers?

Please take a look at the pictures link on this site.
http://360.yahoo.com/Jason_M_Chambers

I certainly have never seen a police officer from Aruba with such a silly website.

Boycott Jason Chambers!
He has a right to post here but we don't have to read his posts. Please ad Mr. Chambers to your ignore list.

Thank you,

[Paul Mathews]

You guys need to seriously lighten up! Jason is expressing the same frustration that a lot of people are regarding the situation. While I agree that suggesting a boycott Aruba is extreme, boycotting Jason for having that view isn't any more logical.

It is possible to disagree with someone without becoming judgemental or taking cheap shots.

For the record, I have met Jason and can assure you that his reference to Derrick Todd Lee as black is not based on racism. I'll leave it to him to fill you in on why that isn't the case if he wishes.

And finally, Chris Moon, perhaps you can enlighten me on just what you perceive the reputation of law enforcement in the south to be.

[ChrisMoon]

And finally, Chris Moon, perhaps you can enlighten me on just what you perceive the reputation of law enforcement in the south to be.

You are joking right? You are asking a guy that took a drive through Aberdeen and Columbus Mississippi with two young Black men on a recruiting visit for the University of Miami.

[George Kohler]

Let's get back to the original topic.

BTW, Jason is not a racist. He is married to an African American.

[Cady Goldfield]

I'm guessing that one of them (the judge's son) slipped her a "date rape" drug in her drink, and had his friends drive them to the beach. She may have OD'd on the drug, or fallen and hit her head...who knows... and died accidentally. I don't believe that he intended to kill her. But once she was dead, they had to do something with the body.

Just imaginations, but what the heck.

I wouldn't boycott Aruba because some poor kid got picked out of the herd by predators. But I'd sure as hell skewer those three schmucks for their role in her disappearance. It's typical that the children of privilege attempt-and get away with things that lesser mortals would be strung up for.

[stauburn]

I don't boycotting anyone on this forum for their point of view is nessasary( unless of course they piss of the moderator...hahaha).

As for Natalie, to be truthful it doesn't matter what happened to her. In my opinion there are more important matters in the world to focus attention on( war, starvation in Niger etc...).The only thing that matters is that her parents have lost their child and I couldn't imagine a worst pain.

[Cady Goldfield]

It matters to her parents and family, Robert. That's enough for me. But you're right - in the scheme of things, she is less than a drop in a bucket. I'm thinking of tens of thousands of men and boys killed, and women and girls rapped and brutalized in Darfur.

[icynorth]

I'd also stand by Jason that he is no racist, I'd almost say extreme in the other direction.
However IMO, I'd say it would also be a shame if race could not used as an identifier based on political correctness, if it was to be of assistance to the case.
IE I live in a pretty small town, 99% white. If say for example a person of colour did do something and the police were to use that criteria it would narrow the search down and make a faster arrest no?
Personally I could care less, but for arguements sake.

[stauburn]

I have to admit that I have gotten this thread of the subject matter but I have to say one last thing. I never accused Jason of being a racist, I simply questionned his statement, as I would question anyone.

I have no problem with using race, color or creed as an identifier IF it is relevant to the situation such as if an individual committed a crime... What I do object to is when race is used for no reason.

So on that note I end this.

BTW , George I am sorry for diverting the thread but not sorry for promoting a discussion

Peace to all

[Jason Chambers]

Once again the members of E-Budo never cease to amaze me... :D

Thanks to all of the guys here who spoke for me. Most gracious of you. But I must confess, I am prejudice. I hate all assholes, dickheads, and other just plain stupid people. If you fit in that category, I pity you.

As for my stance on the Aruban and Dutch authories, they need all the help they can get.

As far as police in the South go, in case you didn't read the sign when you crossed the state line, that was MISSISSIPPI, not Louisiana. We are a bit more progressive here... Not by much, but were are a tad more tolerant of the flakes that travel through our state.

Racial profiling is a national trend... and only the guilty feel accused.

Thank you for the free advo for my 360 site. :D

Now back to the discussion... [thefinger]