Sai or Sais and about movies with them.

[Cobraphoenix]

I have Sais and I learned everything I know about them in movies so I wanted to ask a few questions.
1. I have a carrying case for them and with them in it so would it be illegal to take the case with e wherever I went for protection.
2. Are they called Sai or Sais. I have heard people call them both. To be honest I think it ould be Sais because there are 2 of them but I want to know the correct name.
This is a statement. In Elektra the movie I was dissapointed but the fight scenes were planned out good but in Daredevil, man Elektra KICKED BUT, she was really good in the sandbag scene with the Bring Me To Life song and it was really cool on the rooftop when she kicked Daredevil's but and infact the sandbag scene is my favorite scene and in the Mummy Returns when Evee and Anucksunemoon were fighting with Sais, that is my favorite fight scene so I think some movies have really good scenes with Sais.

[Blackwood]

Chase,

1. Legality - Varies from country to country and state to state. You don't list a location in your profile so I can't help.

2. The plural of sai is sai. From my very limited knowledge that is true for all the terms we often use in karate.

3. Take classes from a knowledgable instructor.

[Cobraphoenix]

Chase,

1. Legality - Varies from country to country and state to state. You don't list a location in your profile so I can't help.

2. The plural of sai is sai. From my very limited knowledge that is true for all the terms we often use in karate.

3. Take classes from a knowledgable instructor.

Well I am in Las Vegas Nevada so but i am moving to Ohio Dayton for a while so do you think it is legal there?

[Shitoryu Dude]

I've never seen anything even remotely resembling actual sai use in the movies.

[Cobraphoenix]

I've never seen anything even remotely resembling actual sai use in the movies.

Well I thought that the Sais in those movies were just different and can stil.ll be considered Sais its just that today it would cost a good amount of money to get something like that to have 1 custom made but I thought Elektra had to have been teh best with Sais in movies so far

[Cobraphoenix]

And BTW I CAN'T WAIT FOR DAREDEVIL 2 TO COME OUT LOL YAY

[Shitoryu Dude]

Troll. Most definitely a troll.

[JohnnyOsbourne]

Isn't a "sai" more comonly refered to as a "jitte" or a "jutte"?

Aren't the sai on Daredevil sharp and have a blade on them? I have never seen or heard of one with a blade. :confused:

[Cobraphoenix]

Troll. Most definitely a troll.

Troll? Ok well I am not sure what that is.

[Cobraphoenix]

Isn't a "sai" more comonly refered to as a "jitte" or a "jutte"?

Aren't the sai on Daredevil sharp and have a blade on them? I have never seen or heard of one with a blade. :confused:

In the early stages of the Sai in Japan they were called Jutte but they are now known as Sai and the 1s in Daredevil were just sharpened, they are still Sai and back in the early life of the Sai farmers used them to plant crops so if a Samurai would come to attack them they could also use them as weapons, I read that in te history of a Sai thing I have it in a book that some master karate dude wrote.

[twayman]

[QUOTE=JohnnyOsbourne]Isn't a "sai" more comonly refered to as a "jitte" or a "jutte"?[QUOTE]

No, these are two totaly different weapons.

[Tripitaka of AA]

I'm gonna hum that tune with Harvey...

But I'll also try one post that plays along. The Sai (or some Sai - the plural is the same) is one of those "cool-looking things" which people like to put on the wall, or pose in photographs with.

Film-makers and Comic-Book artists like to have their heroes use "cool-looking things" to spice up the part of a film where the audience are notoriously hard to please - the fight scene. From the beginning of drama, back to Ancient Greece and beyond, the audience have been entertained by the sight of people faking a fight. It really didn't take long to work out that real fights and fake fights are VERY different. Both can be an entertainment but in the case of real contests, all sorts of rules have been introduced (partly to protect the participants, partly to extend the contest for the sake of entertainment), think boxing, wrestling, football and Ice-Hockey. Faked fighting is now available as a spectator sport like Pro-Wrestling, but is more widely appreciated in the form of fictionalised contests or battles as portrayed in Movies.

Sai are weapons that originated in the East, and through the systematic preservation of Forms and training principles through the study of martial arts, they are still taught today. None of the traditional forms (kata) would look good on a Movie. If they did, we'd have seen them by now. None of the Movie Sai action cenes woould stand up to a Real-Life setting. You might as well walk around with a Claymore, a mace or a double-headed axe.

As something to carry around, why bother with Sai? You can get yourself into a lot more trouble than you can get yourself out of. Carry a gun if you really want protection, carry a Sai if you really want a headline on page 6 of the local paper that reads "Martial Arts expert shot while tring to unzip his super-duper-weapon-of-weapons".

Is it Summer Holidays at school by any chance?

[Blackwood]

Two very different weapons.

Jutte - Usually a single item carried by law enforcement types in old Japan, often combined with the tessan (fan) in kata.
http://www.karatekorner.com/images/pictLarge/1812l.jpg

Sai - Usually used as a pair, or even threes.

http://www.karatekorner.com/images/pictLarge/1584l.jpg

[Cobraphoenix]

I'm gonna hum that tune with Harvey...

But I'll also try one post that plays along. The Sai (or some Sai - the plural is the same) is one of those "cool-looking things" which people like to put on the wall, or pose in photographs with.

Film-makers and Comic-Book artists like to have their heroes use "cool-looking things" to spice up the part of a film where the audience are notoriously hard to please - the fight scene. From the beginning of drama, back to Ancient Greece and beyond, the audience have been entertained by the sight of people faking a fight. It really didn't take long to work out that real fights and fake fights are VERY different. Both can be an entertainment but in the case of real contests, all sorts of rules have been introduced (partly to protect the participants, partly to extend the contest for the sake of entertainment), think boxing, wrestling, football and Ice-Hockey. Faked fighting is now available as a spectator sport like Pro-Wrestling, but is more widely appreciated in the form of fictionalised contests or battles as portrayed in Movies.

Sai are weapons that originated in the East, and through the systematic preservation of Forms and training principles through the study of martial arts, they are still taught today. None of the traditional forms (kata) would look good on a Movie. If they did, we'd have seen them by now. None of the Movie Sai action cenes woould stand up to a Real-Life setting. You might as well walk around with a Claymore, a mace or a double-headed axe.

As something to carry around, why bother with Sai? You can get yourself into a lot more trouble than you can get yourself out of. Carry a gun if you really want protection, carry a Sai if you really want a headline on page 6 of the local paper that reads "Martial Arts expert shot while tring to unzip his super-duper-weapon-of-weapons".

Is it Summer Holidays at school by any chance?

LOL no it isn't and i know there are people with guns and that is what i am most worried about that is why i will somehow get it to where I can see if the person has a gun if so then no i won't use Sai if not then ITS ON lol but i think a gun is a really cheap way of solving problems, do a good fight i say but is it legal to carry them around in a case outside, see my bio for where i live.

[twayman]

In all honesty if all you know about a sai comes from a movie, then don’t kid yourself. Sai takes years to learn and manipulate. If you try to use that thing in a real setting in the street, unless you get lucky you’ll get hurt. .. I don’t mean this as a put down just a fact. And by the way you don’t learn kobudo from movies, books, tapes or dvd’s … what ever the only way is to get a qualified instructor and learn the proper use of the weapon.

[Cobraphoenix]

In all honesty if all you know about a sai comes from a movie, then don’t kid yourself. Sai takes years to learn and manipulate. If you try to use that thing in a real setting in the street, unless you get lucky you’ll get hurt. .. I don’t mean this as a put down just a fact. And by the way you don’t learn kobudo from movies, books, tapes or dvd’s … what ever the only way is to get a qualified instructor and learn the proper use of the weapon.

Yeah that is probably truw but I have had them for a few months now and I can block, flip, hit ect and I ow have a book that has instructions on how to use a Sai and is especially made for a Sai and I know how to block better only problem is is that I can't seem to be quick enough in blocking but I guess that comes with time.

[sean_stonehart]

Yeah that is probably truw but I have had them for a few months now and I can block, flip, hit ect and I ow have a book that has instructions on how to use a Sai and is especially made for a Sai and I know how to block better only problem is is that I can't seem to be quick enough in blocking but I guess that comes with time.

No it's not "probably truw" (sic), it's exactly the truth.

As for the rest, a book can't teach or correct or anything else other than be a reference peice of matieral & moneymaker for some body else. You know how to flip a sai & set yourself up for an injury at best.

You need to find a teacher qualified to teach kobudo & get back to reality on the sai topic.

[Cobraphoenix]

No it's not "probably truw" (sic), it's exactly the truth.

As for the rest, a book can't teach or correct or anything else other than be a reference peice of matieral & moneymaker for some body else. You know how to flip a sai & set yourself up for an injury at best.

You need to find a teacher qualified to teach kobudo & get back to reality on the sai topic.

well i think u mean peice to be piece and some body to be somebody but maybe u were typing fast and maybe I can't afford a trainer, ever think about that and reality. I know what I am doing with them and I think I never asked for what u are telling me. Look at the 2 questions I asked at first and get back to me and I know question 1 all I want is question 2 asnswered but I guess you cannot tell me that or you would have. So what are u a expert on Sai? U sure are makin yourself sound like it.

[sean_stonehart]

well i think u mean peice to be piece and some body to be somebody but maybe u were typing fast and maybe I can't afford a trainer, ever think about that and reality. I know what I am doing with them and I think I never asked for what u are telling me. Look at the 2 questions I asked at first and get back to me and I know question 1 all I want is question 2 asnswered but I guess you cannot tell me that or you would have. So what are u a expert on Sai? U sure are makin yourself sound like it.

Oh ok... I see... you know what you're doing. Have fun then.

As far as an expert... nah. Far from it, but I've had a little practice time. I've only been practicing martial arts since 1981. I've got a long way to go, but I recognize who I need to get me where I go. I forgot in the XMA age we're in now, all a person needs is a book, video, Power Rangers & the ability scream for 5 bloody minutes straight & they know exactly what they're doing.

Oh yeah... you missed where I spelled "matieral" incorrectly too junior. It should be "material".

To answer your questions as posed though...

1 -- Yes. I think it's a good idea for you to carry your sai everywhere to protect yourself. You never know when a band of unruly ninja or opposing samurai forces will attack.

2 -- It's sai for plural, sai for singular. But as you say, it should be sais. Who do the the Japanese think they are when it comes to using their language intermixed with ours?

[Tripitaka of AA]

It is definitely "roll" with a capital "T". But sometimes even this distraction can be educational.

[JohnnyOsbourne]

:eek: Oh my god... Cobraphoenix, please tell me you are kidding.. These guys know what they are doing. You came here, and they answered. If you don't like the answer, than that is your prerogative.

maybe I can't afford a trainer, ever think about that and reality.
:nono: :nono: :nono:
Then don't even think about learning until you CAN afford it. You are just gonna end up like one of those "backyard samurai" who get either beat up for trying to play like they know what they are doing.

I know what I am doing with them and
You DON'T know what you are doing obviously. The extent of your knowledge comes from Daredevil and a book apparently.

I think I never asked for what u are telling me.
You asked for advice, didn't you? Now you don't want advice?


I don't want to offend, but geez!!


On a side note, I just watched Kung Fu Hustle. :D I thought it was amusing other than not hardly having a plot. However, I laughed my kidneys up at the part where he learns 'kung fu' from a book and tries to use it and gets beat! Someone should take a small video-clip and post it as a reply to the backyard samurai posts. :p Someone needs to show Cobraphoenix that. ;)

[Cobraphoenix]

:eek: Oh my god... Cobraphoenix, please tell me you are kidding.. These guys know what they are doing. You came here, and they answered. If you don't like the answer, than that is your prerogative.


:nono: :nono: :nono:
Then don't even think about learning until you CAN afford it. You are just gonna end up like one of those "backyard samurai" who get either beat up for trying to play like they know what they are doing.


You DON'T know what you are doing obviously. The extent of your knowledge comes from Daredevil and a book apparently.


You asked for advice, didn't you? Now you don't want advice?


I don't want to offend, but geez!!


On a side note, I just watched Kung Fu Hustle. :D I thought it was amusing other than not hardly having a plot. However, I laughed my kidneys up at the part where he learns 'kung fu' from a book and tries to use it and gets beat! Someone should take a small video-clip and post it as a reply to the backyard samurai posts. :p Someone needs to show Cobraphoenix that. ;)

Well none taken but first of all I am asking what the proper name is because I have heard both from people on this site and others places and I want to know if it is legal to carry them around with me I have not focused on that subject yet and I understand you saying you know backyard samurai and i dont know how to use them which is true i do not know how to combat with them well actually I can combat with them and I can strike with them BUT to be honest lol i cant block worth crap so i am trying to get that down but so far i can flip them, block ( i just cannot actually block fast enough when it comes down to a actual attack) but i can strick with them so I am just trying to get a little more info on Sai so I can understand tehm better and yes I taught most of my stuff from movies but lol actually u can learn a thing or 2 from them lol but I am looking for a trainer but they are all so far WAY TO EXPENSIVE and I mean outrageous and completly unfair cause they want like 50 bucks a lesson i think so really I thought i had rather stay with what I am doing and order a few books about them but I do do regular karate but so far nothing with Sai or weapons, my master knows bo and stuff but not Sai he showed me a few things but not much

[Cobraphoenix]

Oh ok... I see... you know what you're doing. Have fun then.

As far as an expert... nah. Far from it, but I've had a little practice time. I've only been practicing martial arts since 1981. I've got a long way to go, but I recognize who I need to get me where I go. I forgot in the XMA age we're in now, all a person needs is a book, video, Power Rangers & the ability scream for 5 bloody minutes straight & they know exactly what they're doing.

Oh yeah... you missed where I spelled "matieral" incorrectly too junior. It should be "material".

To answer your questions as posed though...

1 -- Yes. I think it's a good idea for you to carry your sai everywhere to protect yourself. You never know when a band of unruly ninja or opposing samurai forces will attack.

2 -- It's sai for plural, sai for singular. But as you say, it should be sais. Who do the the Japanese think they are when it comes to using their language intermixed with ours?

hey i apologize i was aq little out of line and u were just tryin to warn me that i could get hurt so im sorry for that and i was kinda childish 2 so well sorry if i offended u i asked a question u gave me a answer thank you

[Cobraphoenix]

It is definitely "roll" with a capital "T". But sometimes even this distraction can be educational.

]K i have heard this term before and I am sure i wont like it but what does it mean and to be honest with u i can strike flip, ect but when it comes to actual combat I cant seem to block fast enough so i am working on that but what is troll

[Baio]

yea this kid is just here to cause trouble i had someone with a similar name doing the same thing on yahoo talking about shapr sai, oddly enough something similar to a said with a sharp blade was discussed from mal-phil-indo martial arts called a tjabang of course used in a completely different way

[MikeWilliams]

Well none taken but first of all I am asking what the proper name is because I have heard both from people on this site and others places and I want to know if it is legal to carry them around with me I have not focused on that subject yet and I understand you saying you know backyard samurai and i dont know how to use them which is true i do not know how to combat with them well actually I can combat with them and I can strike with them BUT to be honest lol i cant block worth crap so i am trying to get that down but so far i can flip them, block ( i just cannot actually block fast enough when it comes down to a actual attack) but i can strick with them so I am just trying to get a little more info on Sai so I can understand tehm better and yes I taught most of my stuff from movies but lol actually u can learn a thing or 2 from them lol but I am looking for a trainer but they are all so far WAY TO EXPENSIVE and I mean outrageous and completly unfair cause they want like 50 bucks a lesson i think so really I thought i had rather stay with what I am doing and order a few books about them but I do do regular karate but so far nothing with Sai or weapons, my master knows bo and stuff but not Sai he showed me a few things but not much

[vicky pollard] Yeah but no but yeah but anyway he's some bloke who dun this fing wot you don't even know about, so shut up. Anyway, Candice reckons she saw Kelly gettin off wiv Tony Tozer in Paperchase and she giv up smokin wen she was 12 but don't listen to her cos she's a slag. [/vicky pollard]

[jest]

[vicky pollard] Yeah but no but yeah but anyway he's some bloke who dun this fing wot you don't even know about, so shut up. Anyway, Candice reckons she saw Kelly gettin off wiv Tony Tozer in Paperchase and she giv up smokin wen she was 12 but don't listen to her cos she's a slag. [/vicky pollard]

A+++++ Great E-budoer, will read again.

[Blackwood]

Well, considering I answered his questions in the first post, this whole thread is a waste of bandwidth, particularly when it takes so much effort to read the childish 'scrawl.'

Now that I have a location to work with on the legality. As far as I know, there are no state laws in the US that specifically prevent one from carrying sai. However, there are laws about carrying concealed weapons (a case conceals!) and there are laws about attacking people with deadly weapons. Can you convince a jury that you are justified in using them on an unarmed person? Doubtful. If you want legal advice contact the police department in your community for a ruling, as local laws vary from place to place.

I've already made my comments about learning from a book. I have found that a book only helps after I've had classes with a good instructor.

[Brian Owens]

...As far as I know, there are no state laws in the US that specifically prevent one from carrying sai. However, there are laws about carrying concealed weapons (a case conceals!) and there are laws about attacking people with deadly weapons. ...
While not specifically mentioning sai by name, many jurisdictions have laws banning the carry or possession outside the home or fixed place of business of "clubs, blackjacks, saps, billies, truncheons, and similar weapons." Clearly sai could be construed as falling into that category.

I'll leave the Constitutionality of such laws for discussion in another place and time, but for now my advice to Cobraphoenix would be 1) to leave the sai at home, and 2) to find the comma and period keys on his keyboard, and learn how and when to use them.

[Cobraphoenix]

yea this kid is just here to cause trouble i had someone with a similar name doing the same thing on yahoo talking about shapr sai, oddly enough something similar to a said with a sharp blade was discussed from mal-phil-indo martial arts called a tjabang of course used in a completely different way

I am not here to cause trouble to be honest i actually apologized for some1 i thought i was being mean with, it actually seems like some other people here are making some uncalled for comments

[Cobraphoenix]

Well, considering I answered his questions in the first post, this whole thread is a waste of bandwidth, particularly when it takes so much effort to read the childish 'scrawl.'

Now that I have a location to work with on the legality. As far as I know, there are no state laws in the US that specifically prevent one from carrying sai. However, there are laws about carrying concealed weapons (a case conceals!) and there are laws about attacking people with deadly weapons. Can you convince a jury that you are justified in using them on an unarmed person? Doubtful. If you want legal advice contact the police department in your community for a ruling, as local laws vary from place to place.

I've already made my comments about learning from a book. I have found that a book only helps after I've had classes with a good instructor.

Ok thank you

[Cobraphoenix]

While not specifically mentioning sai by name, many jurisdictions have laws banning the carry or possession outside the home or fixed place of business of "clubs, blackjacks, saps, billies, truncheons, and similar weapons." Clearly sai could be construed as falling into that category.

I'll leave the Constitutionality of such laws for discussion in another place and time, but for now my advice to Cobraphoenix would be 1) to leave the sai at home, and 2) to find the comma and period keys on his keyboard, and learn how and when to use them.

Hey, that was rude and uncalled for.

[Cobraphoenix]

[vicky pollard] Yeah but no but yeah but anyway he's some bloke who dun this fing wot you don't even know about, so shut up. Anyway, Candice reckons she saw Kelly gettin off wiv Tony Tozer in Paperchase and she giv up smokin wen she was 12 but don't listen to her cos she's a slag. [/vicky pollard]

Excuse me? I don't know exactly what u are telling me.

[Cobraphoenix]

1 question. I was out of line with 1 person on here and I apologized to them. So y is every1 else being being so mean to me.

[twayman]

Not even sure where this thread is going and if it is worth the reply but, for what it’s worth here it goes.

I think your original question has been answered. Most states have a canceled weapon law of some sort, and a sai in a case would definably be a canceled weapon. Period…

Besides how do you get a sai out of a case fast enough to be practical… Wait mister bad guy. Once I get this thing out your dead meat???? And if you are just walking around with a pair of sai in your hands… well, you’re just asking for trouble.

As for “training for a few months.” I have been training regularly with the sai for years now, my instructor is well qualified and I still consider my self a beginner with the sai. You state that you have been working with them for months??? Correct? Well training for months even if 12 of them (1 year) I would say you might be ready to do some basic blocks with out breaking your fingers (qualified trainer training that is). Provided the weapon you are blocking is slow and predictable. I guess my point is if you really want to learn the sai get an instructor. Keep the books as a reference in the future or as a memento of how not to train. As for not being able to afford a trainer…??? IMHO if a true kobudo instructor is found and he sees that you truly want to learn but, can’t afford it I’m sure something can be worked out. Money keeps a school open but, is not the only driving factor. Granted you might have to do some looking but they are out there.

Bottom line… If you truly do think you know what you are doing, seek a dojo that teaches kobudo (not all do). Ask the instructor if he has a student or if he himself can test your skills… (This may be the safest way to test what you know.) Be humble and not cocky and you will quickly realize what you know or don’t know.

Also, if you don’t heed what the experienced have offered then why even bother posting on e-budo. Be humble and you will learn, be a know it all and all learning stops.

[Cobraphoenix]

Not even sure where this thread is going and if it is worth the reply but, for what it’s worth here it goes.

I think your original question has been answered. Most states have a canceled weapon law of some sort, and a sai in a case would definably be a canceled weapon. Period…

Besides how do you get a sai out of a case fast enough to be practical… Wait mister bad guy. Once I get this thing out your dead meat???? And if you are just walking around with a pair of sai in your hands… well, you’re just asking for trouble.

As for “training for a few months.” I have been training regularly with the sai for years now, my instructor is well qualified and I still consider my self a beginner with the sai. You state that you have been working with them for months??? Correct? Well training for months even if 12 of them (1 year) I would say you might be ready to do some basic blocks with out breaking your fingers (qualified trainer training that is). Provided the weapon you are blocking is slow and predictable. I guess my point is if you really want to learn the sai get an instructor. Keep the books as a reference in the future or as a memento of how not to train. As for not being able to afford a trainer…??? IMHO if a true kobudo instructor is found and he sees that you truly want to learn but, can’t afford it I’m sure something can be worked out. Money keeps a school open but, is not the only driving factor. Granted you might have to do some looking but they are out there.

Bottom line… If you truly do think you know what you are doing, seek a dojo that teaches kobudo (not all do). Ask the instructor if he has a student or if he himself can test your skills… (This may be the safest way to test what you know.) Be humble and not cocky and you will quickly realize what you know or don’t know.

Also, if you don’t heed what the experienced have offered then why even bother posting on e-budo. Be humble and you will learn, be a know it all and all learning stops.

Thank you I will keep that in mind but in the afordin a trainer it is cause lol I cant get a job yet. I am to young lol. I will try to find a trainer that is at least somewhat affordable. PLEASE READ NEXT LINE FOR EVERY1 THAT SEES THIS.
If I was rude to you or any1 else I am sorry I was childish and unprepared with my questions.
Anyways about the case it is true I cant pull them out quick enough but the first thing to do is see if he has a gun if not then like run and pull them out or I can make it to where I keep them in my coat and have straps made for it so they can stay in there but I am sure I will come up with different way. Thank you for your response.

[JohnnyOsbourne]

tually I can combat with them and I can strike with them BUT to be honest lol i cant block worth crap so i am trying to get that down but so far i can flip them, block ( i just cannot actually block fast enough when it comes down to a actual attack) but i can strick with them so I am just trying to get a little more info on Sai so I can understand tehm better and yes I taught most of my stuff from movies but lol actually u can learn a thing or 2 from them lol

I REALLY don't want to be offensive, but I just have to reply and it will probably sound rude. I apologize in advanced.
1. You contradict yourself too much.
2. You need to learn proper English.. >.<
3. If you came up to me "flipping" a sai around, I would laugh, drop you in the nuts, continue laughing, call the cops on you, then laugh again WITH the cops. You don't "flip" them around. And you DON'T know how to do anything with a sai until you learn from an actual teacher. It -sounds- like you know how to act like an idiot and get beat up. I am saying this because you ARE going to get your arse kicked if you carry around sai and act like a retard "flipping" them around and "striking."

And NO, you are WRONG. You DON'T learn martial arts from movies.
I think someone mentioned something similar earlier, but I have yet to see a movie which actually shows actual kata in action. The jist of Japanese MA is to get right to the point and dispatch someone ASAP. No flashy "flips" or cool "secret moves." Movies make them look flashy, and thus appear more interesting.

Please listen to us before you end up hurt. :(

-Johnny

[Baio]

if some idiot was flipping a sai around thinking he's raphael odds are he's getting shot in the face kicking him in the nuts would work but the story to cops would be this derranged person who thought they were a ninja came out flipping around deadly weapons and it's within the law to use that kind of force

[Cobraphoenix]

Well, true I will get a trainer sometime and I wouldn't be flipping them around all that much. Possibly not at all and the onlt time I would would be at the beginning of the fight when he is not near me. I would not even take the Sai out if he had a gun. The only way I would take them out would be if I was absoulutly possitive that he was not armed with a gun and I thought my english was ok lol. All of your responses have definatly changed my mine about combat with them that it should be more buisness than just making them look fancy and if you are in a actual situation get it done and then ge ot of there. I may not understand fully so far but I now have a idea and I do understand better. Thank you.

P.S I didn't learn martial arts from movies, I learned that from a trainer but unfortunatly all that I know for Sai is from movies, books, and a little bit of expirementing with them so I will try to find and get a trainer.

[jest]

Possibly not at all and the onlt time I would would be at the beginning of the fight when he is not near me. I would not even take the Sai out if he had a gun. The only way I would take them out would be if I was absoulutly possitive that he was not armed with a gun.

If someone wants you dead and is planning to shoot you, he will not show you his firearm until the very last moment.
This is not a duel.
You need to look up the phrases concealed carry/weapon permit, inside waistband, j-frame...

Well I am in a alley where no1 else is and I only have a pair of Sai with me and a man shows up down the alley. I know he does however have a knife. I know he wants to fight. What should I do?

How do you know he has a knife?
If he has any sense or cunning ("street smarts") he will keep his knife out of view and his demeanour pleasing until he's standing right next to you.
Before you even have the chance to grab those sai from their awkward hanging position and do some of your 'combat', he will have shanked you numerous times with something like a dimestore screwdriver or homemade shiv.

[Cobraphoenix]

If someone wants you dead and is planning to shoot you, he will not show you his firearm until the very last moment.
This is not a duel.
You need to look up the phrases concealed carry/weapon permit, inside waistband, j-frame...



How do you know he has a knife?
If he has any sense or cunning ("street smarts") he will keep his knife out of view and his demeanour pleasing until he's standing right next to you.
Before you even have the chance to grab those sai from their awkward hanging position and do some of your 'combat', he will have shanked you numerous times with something like a dimestore screwdriver or homemade shiv.

True, I suppose there are many things that could go wrong in what I am saying. I supposs I will just have to watch my back.

[tsurashi shondo]

Chase,
If you are not just simply a Troll, well then listen up.
A lot of the folks on this forum have shoes that are older than you are.
You don't realize it, but the things you are saying don't make sense and you look like an a$$.
If you really want to learn martial arts, I'm sure there are inexpensive lessons available at a public recreation center in your city.
Ask your parent or guardian for help in finding you a place to learn.
Stop expecting anyone here to take you seriously. Stop changing your story everytime you get told to get some real training.

[william northcote]

Ok, the T word was mentioned, so out comes the picture of me:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Darkninja/troll.jpg

[S.Henson]

While I hate to extend this thread even more, I have one point. Everyone is telling this kid to find an instructor, which I 110% agree with, but I don't think I saw anyone tell him to PUT DOWN THE SAI. I do see where he was warned that he might hurt himself. I don't know about other schools or styles to much, but as far as I am concerned everyone needs a good grasp on basic martial arts techniques before they ever pick up any weapon, bo, tonfa, sai, nunchuka... Oh and I must say that you have all been truly patient with him.

[Cobraphoenix]

PATIENT!!!!!! Whatever I am thinking about quiting because of some of these people and most people on here seem to live to insult me and what I say and if you don't like what I have to say then shut up. This is ridiculous I have had less critisism at school. I have never heard of such unmature teens and aduls before, most of you are horrible and uncalled for and some people say i should stay but I may quit thanks to some responses I got.

[twayman]

Easy... Just log off, upper right hand corner of the page... Chow. :rolleyes:

All in all you got some fairly decent info on this crazy thread, maybe follow some of it.

Just trying to help.

[shinobi11bravo]

You know what? This kid reminds me of Napoleaon Dynamite! "I'll do what I wan't GOSH!!!". "One gang wanted me to join cause I'm pretty good with a Bo Staff". "I dunno, I mean, I don't have any good skills"

[Howard Thiery]

what totally boggles my brain is that this kid went for 4 pages and no one smacked him for not posting his name (unless I missed it..this was a tough thread to read at times).....anyway his new name is "guest" so I guess thats taken care of at this point.

cheers,
H

[P Goldsbury]

what totally boggles my brain is that this kid went for 4 pages and no one smacked him for not posting his name (unless I missed it..this was a tough thread to read at times).....anyway his new name is "guest" so I guess thats taken care of at this point.

cheers,
H

I think you came to this thread late. When I checked before, Cobraphoenix was a regular member and I believe he gave his real name. I think it was Chase. However, on another thread he asked that he be allowed to escape from E-Budo and his request has been granted. So he is now a guest and no longer has a User CP.

So I suppose we ought to put the two threads in the Trash...

[qayak]

Don't trash it yet.

Let's make sure Guest knows that Elektra is a movie and that the sai choreography is terrible. First off, she doesn't even hold them correctly. Have a look at the video cover for the movie and you will see what I am talking about. The first fight she gets into she is going to lose her fingers and/or thumb.

I think that the problem was that the actress does not have the wrist and hand strength needed to actually use the sai for any length of time so they modified the grip to make it easier for her.

Terrible show, terrible techniques, hot actress!!