Nagoya Castle and Atsuta Jingu Demonstrations

[Steve Delaney]

HI! This is Russ Ebert here....Steve Delaney didn't sign out of his account when he was at my house here last week, so I accidentally posted as him (I am going to sign out as soon as I edit this post).

I (Russ) recently uploaded Embu videos at YouTube.com

Check them out, leave comments, etc. :

Bojutsu (staff)

Yagyu Shingan Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLvICsSddo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I396IiQhtEM

Jujutsu (unarmed)

Yagyu Shingan Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiE4bKuhuE4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTjAKE01f0

Takenouchi Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyCsmn44NY

Kenjutsu (sword):

Owari kan Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTM0qctatvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4q61PKtAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsfNuzJYBng

Yagyu Shingan Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64hSQV9VSZw

Yakumura Jigen Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5dAUfTQjSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNm3sQwcv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m3LHFuY3J8

Kusarigama (sickle and chain):

Tendo Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25T1W2d-E6k

Naginata (halbred)

Tendo Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZgGL370Uw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjscApgU7eA

Owari Kan Ryu (Shinto ryu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpDNf4xr8dc

Sojutsu (spear)

Owari Kan Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dk2ylxYHUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2g-hD_dSw

Incidentally Steve, remember to sign out of your account when you are at my house- I could really wreak some havoc :).

[pgsmith]

Cool!
Thanks for sharing Russ!

[Mekugi]

Cool!
Thanks for sharing Russ!
Ya-sure-ya-betcha! :p

[Prince Loeffler]

Thanks Russ ! I enjoyed it a lot ! Now which one are you ?

[Mekugi]

Thanks Russ ! I enjoyed it a lot ! Now which one are you ?

Actually I am actually not in any of those. I rather dread putting my own embu online- something about looking at mistakes over and over again that drives me batty.
Anyway...

Kusari (chain):

Hoten Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap-2DXJIo5U

I am the bald-crested-lummox disgracing the sword.

[Prince Loeffler]

Actually I am actually not in any of those. I rather dread putting my own embu online- something about looking at mistakes over and over again that drives me batty.
Anyway...

Kusari (chain):

Hoten Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap-2DXJIo5U

I am the bald-crested-lummox disgracing the sword.


That's why when I do my kata ! Paparazzi are forbidden inside the dojo... :D :D

[Mekugi]

Here are some of Sato Kinbei's group demonstrating:

Yagyu Shingan Ryu Heijutsu:

Taijutsu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tOZ-0NXHpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmgL7yktXCs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31yM7MZjXRc

Kenjutsu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOoJYQwtB78

Takeda Ryu aiko no jutsu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4EtVE7Kae4

"Tenshin Ryu (Tenshin Koryu / Shinto Tenshin Ryu ?)" Hishigi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUrw4nFxA1Y

[Eric Montes]

Naginata (halbred)

Tendo Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZgGL370Uw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjscApgU7eA



Russ,
Cheer for posting these. The quoted links are not for Tendo ryu. They are Zen Nihon Naginata Renmei kihon and shiai.

Eric

[Ron Tisdale]

Takeda Ryu aiko no jutsu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4EtVE7Kae4


eww. Is it me, or do they resemble someone imitating bits and pieces of Daito ryu waza with really bad zanshin...

Best,
Ron

[Mekugi]

Russ,
Cheer for posting these. The quoted links are not for Tendo ryu. They are Zen Nihon Naginata Renmei kihon and shiai.

Eric

It's not a link to the Kata of Tendo Ryu. That is a branch of Tendo Ryu demonstrating the ZenKenRen. I should make that clearer though.

-Russ

[Mekugi]

eww. Is it me, or do they resemble someone imitating bits and pieces of Daito ryu waza with really bad zanshin...

Best,
Ron

You mean that beginning student or both?

[Finny]

Thanks very much Russ - great clips!

[DarkThrone]

Thank you very much for postin the koryu clips.

[fifthchamber]

Ahhh..
So that's what you did when it pissed down! I was wondering about that while we were walking back.. Kiri had an umbrella but I had banked on the fine spring weather and subsequently lost the bet...
Thanks Russ!

[Finny]

Russ,

The 'Owari Kan Ryu Naginata' clip is labelled as 'Shinto Ryu'. Mr. Skoss mentioned in an email that the Owari Kan Ryu guys practise some form of Shinto Ryu, but that clip looks (to my uneducated eye) a lot like enpi no tachi performed with naginata, which I know Mr. Armstrong mentioned is a characteristic of the Hikida Shinkage Ryu (practising the kata with various weapons or mismatched weapons).

So - I was just wondering if you're sure it's Shinto Ryu, and if it is, can you tell us anything more about the Shinto Ryu the Owari Kan Ryu groups practises?

Thanks again for the great clips.

[Mekugi]

Russ,

The 'Owari Kan Ryu Naginata' clip is labelled as 'Shinto Ryu'. Mr. Skoss mentioned in an email that the Owari Kan Ryu guys practise some form of Shinto Ryu, but that clip looks (to my uneducated eye) a lot like enpi no tachi performed with naginata, which I know Mr. Armstrong mentioned is a characteristic of the Hikida Shinkage Ryu (practising the kata with various weapons or mismatched weapons).

So - I was just wondering if you're sure it's Shinto Ryu, and if it is, can you tell us anything more about the Shinto Ryu the Owari Kan Ryu groups practises?

Thanks again for the great clips.

The announcement said that the Naginata came from Shinto ryu....something, something. That's as much as I know.

[Mekugi]

Incidentally,

If anyone has a problem with these videos being up (namely, ryuha members) then please tell me here or in email, and I will remove them no questions asked.

I don't want to step on feet, sell anything, make people mad or start any type of problems. I thought it would be nice to share some of what I see over here from time to time.

Recapitulation:
If there are people within the above ryu that think I should take the online streaming videos down, please, please tell me and POOF they are gone.

-Russ

[Mekugi]

Ahhh..
So that's what you did when it pissed down! I was wondering about that while we were walking back.. Kiri had an umbrella but I had banked on the fine spring weather and subsequently lost the bet...
Thanks Russ!
Ahh yes, it was an embu "behind closed doors." :p Incidentally, please tell your lovely wife that my betrothed has just spent a buttload of money at the Ikea website she told us about.....umm...thanks. I think.

[fifthchamber]

Really? Mine is waiting until she gets paid.. I flat out said no.. Hehe.. No that that would stop her.. I apologise.. Profusely. Nothing Swedish is that good.. But then, I like looking at men in skirts hit other men with sticks.. And that sounds entirely Swedish..
Wait.. Sorry.. There was a thread here..
great films!
Regards.

[Fred27]

Found a Isshin-ryu Kusarigamajutsu clip too.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9FI5ppsyM

And a Shinto Muso-ryu clip from the same user and group http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVkgQoeU4

[kenkyusha]

Nothing Swedish is that good..
Oh, my dear man, haven't you learned the power of Gunther (http://www.gunthernet.com). Sweden offers you Champagne, glamour, sex and respect... please, think about the children!

Be well,
Jigme

[Steve Delaney]

eww. Is it me, or do they resemble someone imitating bits and pieces of Daito ryu waza with really bad zanshin...

Best,
Ron

Heh heh, Russ and I thought the same thing.

Actually that wasn't Takeda-ryu Aiki No Jutsu. It was Daiwado jujutsu, the system that Sato Kinbei formulated before he passed away. It contains a mix of techniques from all over the place. There are little bits of Daito-ryu, Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, Araki Shin-ryu, Yagyu Shingan-ryu etc, in the mix.

[Fred27]

Oh, my dear man, haven't you learned the power of Gunther (http://www.gunthernet.com). Sweden offers you Champagne, glamour, sex and respect... please, think about the children!

Be well,
Jigme

My country provides all that? I should get out more :rolleyes: :p

[Steve Delaney]

Really? Mine is waiting until she gets paid.. I flat out said no.. Hehe.. No that that would stop her.. I apologise.. Profusely. Nothing Swedish is that good.. But then, I like looking at men in skirts hit other men with sticks.. And that sounds entirely Swedish..
Wait.. Sorry.. There was a thread here..
great films!
Regards.

Oi, remember what Meik advised you; "Yes dear!" ;)

[Mekugi]

ALSO:

The Jigen Ryu clips- that is a Nagabokuto, not a Spear as I originally posted in there. Silly me!

-R

[Mekugi]

ALSO:

The Jigen Ryu clips- that is a Nagabokuto, not a Spear as I originally posted in there. Silly me!

-R
Recanted again, that is a spear. The kata name is Yaridome "鑓留め".

[ZealUK]

I believe the weapon is called a nagabokuto.

As far as I know the nagabokuto can represent yari or naginata depending on the kata.

[Mekugi]

I believe the weapon is called a nagabokuto.

As far as I know the nagabokuto can represent yari or naginata depending on the kata.

Yeah it says that the sword can be used like a spear in the embu pamphlet, but it is supposed to be a spear in this case.

[mheiler]

Owari kan Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTM0qctatvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4q61PKtAQ



The first one is definetely Sangakuen and the second one is definitely Soraito Hasseiho from (Yagyu) Shinkage-ryu. Although it is my understanding that a branch of Shinkage-ryu has been subsumed by, or is being taught collaterally with, Owari Kan-ryu. They are slightly different from what I've seen performed by mainline Shinkage-ryu.

Mike

[mheiler]

Owari kan Ryu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTM0qctatvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4q61PKtAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsfNuzJYBng



..., and although I've never seen it performed before, the third one sure looks like it would be (Yagyu) Shinkage-ryu Sangakuen performed with odachi. Again, I don't know what branch it would be.

Mike

[Steve Delaney]

That would be Aisu Kage-ryu (In other texts, it's referred to as Hikita Kage-ryu).

[Mekugi]

If anyone wants to sign on to YouTube and post comments / observations / misc. (nice ones...lets be nice huh!) or stuff like that, please do.

[Vile]

That would be Aisu Kage-ryu (In other texts, it's referred to as Hikita Kage-ryu).

According to the BRDJ, in the section about Hikita Kage ryû, in "Yagyû hisho" Hikita Toyogorô (the founder of HKr) is noted as Yagyû Muneyoshi's half-brother. I've understood that according to the Owari Kan ryû tradition Hikita Toyogorô was the student of the famous Kamiizumi Nobutsuna (Hidetsuna), founder of Shinkage ryû. One of the most influental of Kamiizumi's teacher's was Aisu Ikôsai (or his son according to some sources), the founder of the (Aisu) Kage ryû.

However, the BRDJ also notices that Akitaka Tatemoto's (don't ask me who that is..) "Kenjutsu Keizu" ("Kenjutsu Family Tree") lists Toyogorô as the student of Yagyû Muneyoshi, not as student of Kamiizumi.

In his article (http://www.koryu.com/library/harmstrong1.html) at koryu.com (http://www.koryu.com) Hunter B. Armstrong notes that: "The Owari Kan Ryu, though primarily a spear tradition, also contains elements of Shinkage Ryu swordsmanship. As the Owari Kan Ryu was located in the same province as one of the main branches of the Yagyu sword tradition, it "borrowed" some of the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu sword arts."

What ever are the details of the inheritance, it is no wonder that one can see some very obvious (Owari Yagyû) Shinkage ryû influences :)

[Finny]

Mikko,

The Owari Kan Ryu group, AFAIK, does both Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and Hikida Kage Ryu.

Kato Sensei's teacher was apparently a student of both Yagyu Toshinaga and Yagyu Toshichika (Yagyu Nobuharu's father and grandfather), as well as having a different Hikida Kage Ryu teacher.

So the Owari Kan Ryu guys do Owari Kan Ryu sojutsu (as well as the kata from other sojutsu ryuha that OKR has subsumed), Yagyu Shinkage Ryu, Hikida Kage Ryu, and 'Shinto Ryu'.

[Vile]

Brendan,

OK, that clears up things even more. Thank you for your reply.

[mheiler]

Mikko,

The Owari Kan Ryu group, AFAIK, does both Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and Hikida Kage Ryu.

Kato Sensei's teacher was apparently a student of both Yagyu Toshinaga and Yagyu Toshichika (Yagyu Nobuharu's father and grandfather), as well as having a different Hikida Kage Ryu teacher.

So the Owari Kan Ryu guys do Owari Kan Ryu sojutsu (as well as the kata from other sojutsu ryuha that OKR has subsumed), Yagyu Shinkage Ryu, Hikida Kage Ryu, and 'Shinto Ryu'.

Ah, that makes more sense, because, as I understand it, Soraito Hasseiho (the second video I reference) was an Edo period construct of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu, so it did not make sense that it would be a Hikida Kage-ryu.

Mike

[Mekugi]

Re: the Kudyari

If memory serves, on the Kobudo Hozonban video the shihan talks about the Shinkage Ryu swordsmanship being the root of the spearmanship- or based on the strategy behind the sword.

[Alex Dale]

Fellas,


From my understanding and limited interaction with Mr. Armstrong, I understand it like this:


The Hikita Shinkage-ryu, as passed down by the founder, was more akin to the old "Shinkage-ryu" in the sense that it preserved more of the teachings of Kamiizumi, at least in terms of weapons. Yagyu Muneyoshi for whatever reason only passed down (or learned) the kenjutsu.


Many years later (I'm guessing sometime in the 1800's?), the Yagyu Shinkage-ryu and the Hikita Shinkage-ryu people "linked" and I guess the lines were merged, or something like that. It gets really cloudy for me, I'm sure someone could do a much better job at explaining. However, soon after all of this, the other weapons were again lost in the Yagyu transmission, while the Hikita Shinkage-ryu folks maintained everything.

So, as I understand it, the Owari Kan-ryu / Hikita Shinkage-ryu as practiced in the dojo of Kato Isao sensei maintains the sojutsu of the Owari Kan-ryu, as well as all the teachings of the Hikita Shinkage-ryu, which itself contains different versions of all its kata. For example, I believe they have 3 different versions of one of the most fundamental Shinkage-ryu kata, "sangaku en no tachi"; an "old" (koden) version, an Edo Yagyu version, and a Bishu Yagyu version, all a bit different. And as someone said earlier, I believe they perform some (maybe all?) of their kata with different weapons. "One mind, any weapon."


I don't have access to any of my note right now so all of this is purely from memory so if I'm glaringly wrong please tell me and I'll gladly take this post down.


Otherwise, I hope that helps.