Shintaido info needed

[R Stroud]

Not sure where to post this but maybe someone can comment. Has anyone heard of Shintaido? I recently came across their organization and was extremely curious to learn more about them. The US website is http://www.shintaido.org/index.html

Thank you.

[trevorg]

Sorry cant help, but I reckon its not too dissimilar to
http://www.nanbudo.com/index.php?page=nanbudo.about

Osu
Trevor

[Katsujinken]

Hope the below is of some help,the weblinks posted (http://www.shintaido.org/index.html) is fairly comprehensive.

Hiroyuki Aoki the founder of Shintaido studied at Chou University Law School where he participated in Theatre studies and Karate as extra curricula activity, in his second year Shigeru Egami appeared in Tokyo and was invited to teach some courses at the University Karate club of which Hiroyuki Aoki was later to became the University Karate Captain, eventually he became Egami's Uchi Deshi.

Egami set Aoki the task of studying several Karate Kata and this was combined with the study of other forms of body movements and this led to the formation of a group called the Rakutenkai all of the members of which were involved in the training and research that eventually led to the formation of Shintai do (Literally New Body Way). A good overview of the style can be found in Hiroyuki Aoki's Book Shintaido The Body is a message to the Universe. The style also uses the Bokken and Rokushakubo (Aoki's Art of Stick Fighting is still widely available) as part of its training curriculum

There is a strong spiritual emphasis in the style and a definite (in my opinion) Aikido influence on the style which is apparent from some of the exercises.
It aims to develop a way of experiencing the body and its relationship with the Universe (Self, Others, Nature and spiritual world). It lays claim to being artistic expression and a healing art

Much of the history of Shintaido is tied up with Shigeru Egami and the Shotokai.

There is also an episode on the Chris Crudelli series Mind, Body and Kick A** Moves on Shintaido which gives a reasonably good overview.

Regards

[Jack Chen]

Hope the below is of some help,the weblinks posted (http://www.shintaido.org/index.html) is fairly comprehensive.

Hiroyuki Aoki the founder of Shintaido studied at Chou University Law School where he participated in Theatre studies and Karate as extra curricula activity, in his second year Shigeru Egami appeared in Tokyo and was invited to teach some courses at the University Karate club of which Hiroyuki Aoki was later to became the University Karate Captain, eventually he became Egami's Uchi Deshi.

Egami set Aoki the task of studying several Karate Kata and this was combined with the study of other forms of body movements and this led to the formation of a group called the Rakutenkai all of the members of which were involved in the training and research that eventually led to the formation of Shintai do (Literally New Body Way). A good overview of the style can be found in Hiroyuki Aoki's Book Shintaido The Body is a message to the Universe. The style also uses the Bokken and Rokushakubo (Aoki's Art of Stick Fighting is still widely available) as part of its training curriculum

There is a strong spiritual emphasis in the style and a definite (in my opinion) Aikido influence on the style which is apparent from some of the exercises.
It aims to develop a way of experiencing the body and its relationship with the Universe (Self, Others, Nature and spiritual world). It lays claim to being artistic expression and a healing art

Much of the history of Shintaido is tied up with Shigeru Egami and the Shotokai.

There is also an episode on the Chris Crudelli series Mind, Body and Kick A** Moves on Shintaido which gives a reasonably good overview.

Regards
I just saw that Mind-Body-Kick A** Moves on YouTube.

I saw those kiai-takedowns and stuff.

Are those real?

[trevorg]

There you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-MRUxOgnGo

osu
Trevor

[Jack Chen]

Take down opponents with kiai, and make him run with your "qi" or something?

[Jack Chen]

Nobody have any comment about their kiai-takedowns, and stuff?

[Ellis Amdur]

No comment on the take-downs, or other stuff, but as for history. Egami studied for a number of years, one-on-one, with Inoue Noriaki, Ueshiba Morihei's nephew. I've been told that he kept a training diary of these years, which is kept by his widow. Egami's lineage has split into three: shintaido (the most - - creative - - -and least martial), an "orthodox" (trying to keep to Egami's innovations of Shotokai) and "backsliders" (trying to reintegrate themselves back into mainstream karate). Egami created a very interesting kata, which I've seen once - essentially open/close movements with integration of breath (not martial, but power development).

Best

[gumby-san]

No comment on the take-downs, or other stuff, but as for history. Egami studied for a number of years, one-on-one, with Inoue Noriaki, Ueshiba Morihei's nephew...

Best

Yes, Aoki-sensei acknowledges being influenced by Inoue-sensei, and so to be accurate, we could refer to the influence of Aiko Budo or Shin'ei Taido or Shinwa Taido (the name of what Inoue-sensei taught went through a number of interations).

An interesting interview with Inoue-sensei can be found at http://www.aikidojournal.com/article.php?articleID=376

As for the "kiai takedowns," properly known as toate, I can verify from personal experience that they are certainly real, in the sense that the attackers are not playing along or faking it. However, Aoki-sensei himself commented recently (July 2008) that his success rate with this technique outside the dojo would probably be well below 100%. Toate is closely connected with Aoki-sensei's theories about timing.

As for the question of whether this is a paranormal ability, it seems Aoki-sensei considers it to be a normal aspect of martial arts training:

"This ability is there in everyone, the ability to defend and protect yourself, but what I did with regard to ESP is to try to restrict it, not to consider other parts of it… like who were you in a former life? Really I associated it with being able to predict, to accurately know, when someone is about to attack you-- in the realm of Shintaido..." (from an interview in Body Dialogue #24, January 2009. Body Dialogue is the Shintaido of America newsletter, available to download for free in .pdf format at http://www.shintaido.org/docs/pubs_newsletter.htm)

- David Franklin

[sratzker]

A few years ago I asked Master Kenjerio Kawanabe of Atsugi Japan about the Shigeru Egami studying with Inoue Sensei. Master Kawanabe was a student of Ginchen Funakoshi and Shigeru Egami was his Senior in the class. From 1954 though 1957 he studied rather intensively from Inoue Sensei. So he his thoughts on this question should be considered a reliable opinion. He had the following to say.

"Egami sensei became a student of the Inoue sensei rather in his late era, but in special relation to learn mostly spiritual aspect rather than physical training actually ." Kenjirou Kawanabe 09, 1/30

I can speculate what Kawanabe Sensei meant and what it implies but I will leave that for another day. if you would like to read the complete interview it goes a little further.

http://legendmirror.com/?q=node/140

If you would like me to ask Kawanabe Sensei a question for you I would be happy to assist you. He is a great source of Budo and history of the art. He still lives and teaches in Atsugi Japan where I have had the pleasure of training with him.

[Ellis Amdur]

From another point in that article:
from Inoue Sensei I learned the substance of Budo, the power and the movement and ''ki ''which is quite different then what is produced by muscle power. This is really, the substance of “Budo'' quite unusual in recent Sport karate. This power or movement can be the integration of body with natural flow of trained breath.

I'm very intrigued by this quote, given my interest in actual internal strength development methods in Japanese martial arts. So specifically, did Inoue teach any specific training exercises to develop. Honestly, I'm personally interested in as much detail as you can provide, in terms of how one is expected to breathe, mental imagery, specific exercises, etc.

And, I suppose on a practical level, given that Kawanabe sensei was a very powerful, then young martial artist, was he impressed with Inoue sensei as a martial artist, or only as someone who had knowledge in an area of esoteric information that Kawanabe sensei could incorporate in his own art?

Best
Ellis Amdur

[Hissho]

....was he impressed with Inoue sensei as a martial artist, or only as someone who had knowledge in an area of esoteric information that Kawanabe sensei could incorporate in his own art?

Best
Ellis Amdur

Fascinating distinction, Ellis. I think that is where some people can get lost - too closely equating the one with the other. Kinda like equating Crossfit with teaching one how to fight...