Koryu Dojos in northern europe...

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This is my first post, so I hope you'll be fairly leniant with me....

I practise Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu here in Norway, and I allso practise Kendo. My real interest in Kobudo, so I'm curious as to if there are Koryu dojos elswhere in northern europe. And if so, is it possible to visit such dojos to practise or just to watch the practises?

[Charles Mahan]

Seems I recall some ZNIR affiliated MJER dojos in Finland, but I that's about all I can tell you about them. A web search might be useful.

[Secundus]

There's good "koryu in Finland" website http://koti.mbnet.fi/bugei/sivu.php?sivu=koulukunnat ,but unfortunately only in finnish. And it seems to be renewed lately which means that all info isn't there anymore/yet. However there should be some usefull links and excluding Sui O ryu, which was just presented to us at december, there should be listed all the koryu's practiced in Finland - at least as far as I know.

[Sanppa75]

There are several koryu practiced here in Finland. And also in Sweden, but don´t know so much about them.

There are atleast these schools practiced in here:

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu - Sugawara-ha and Otake Risuke shihan´s "main line".

Kashima Shin ryu

Taura Muso ryu kobujutsu

Muso Jikiden Eishin ryu iai

Muso Shinden ryu iai

Niten Ichi ryu kenjutsu

Hontai Yoshin ryu jujutsu

Mugai ryu iai(small group of Hontai Yoshin ryu practitioners are also practicing Mugai ryu)

Daito ryu Aikijujutsu (Takumakai)

Ono-ha Itto ryu kenjutsu

Jissen kobudo Jinenkan

Bujinkan budo taijutsu

There can be also some other koryu practiced in smaller groups which I have heard rumors...but Don´t know about them, sorry :)

Hope that helped a littlebit!

-S

[Sanppa75]

Forgot that Heki ryu Insai-ha, sorry.

:)

[Chidokan]

depends what you call 'Northern Europe'...does the UK count? :D

[Fred27]

I'm not 100% sure about all the other koryu but I do know that in Sweden you have the option of training Koryu Shinto Muso-ryu Jodo in Stockholm or Östersund. The former belongs to Kaminoda Sensei's Nihon Jodokai and the latter belongs to the European Jodo Federation under Pascal Krieger Sensei. The clubs name are Stockholm Jodokai (http://hem.passagen.se/carlberg/) and Östersunds Budo Kai (www.budokai.se) respectively. I train with the latter by the way :).

As stated, there is also the Sugwara-ha of Katori Shinto-ryu practiced in Finland and Sweden (I'm gonna start my training in Sugwara-ha this Feb.) and just last year there was a former Sugino-ha dojo (http://www.aikiken.fi/articles.php?lng=en&pg=106) that officially joined the Otake Risuke Sensei group. They are not allowed to take on new students though. They practice in the city of Jyväskylä, Finland.

I recommend you go to this site (http://www.budo.se/foreningar/). It lists all the martial arts connected to the Swedish Budo Federation..(not sure if "federation" is the correct translation). There you will find a list of MA per (swedish) province and under what Sensei. Östersunds Budo Kai is listed under "Jämtland"-province. It's not a 100% complete list and it doesnt list every MA since not all of them are connected to the SBF. Better than nothing at least :).

[Rasmus]

Mugai ryu iai (small group of Hontai Yoshin ryu practitioners are also practicing Mugai ryu) There's a dojo in Stockholm (sweden) (http://hem.passagen.se/blommark/) doing Hontai Yoshin-ryu ju-jutsu under Inoue Tsuyoshi-Munetoshi. Whould that be the same Hontai Yoshin-ryu as the group in Finland do?

Where exactly is this Finnish group located? Do you know where their mugai-ryu comes from and do they have an active relationship to it in japan?

[Secundus]

There's a dojo in Stockholm (sweden) (http://hem.passagen.se/blommark/) doing Hontai Yoshin-ryu ju-jutsu under Inoue Tsuyoshi-Munetoshi. Whould that be the same Hontai Yoshin-ryu as the group in Finland do?

Where exactly is this Finnish group located? Do you know where their mugai-ryu comes from and do they have an active relationship to it in japan?

In Helsinki there is two dojo's under Tsuyoshi-Munetoshi (there is more elsewhere) and http://koti.welho.com/chulpher/bujutsudojo/ is also doing Mugai ryu, but their websites aren't really informative and I have no first-hand experience so I can't answer to your other questions.

[Sanppa75]

Sato Kimimaro sensei have been teaching both Hontai Yoshin ryu and Mugai ryu in many camps here in Finland. But like Mr. Tamminen said, Finnish Hontai goup is practicing under Inoue Tsuyoshi-Munetoshi, Sato sensei is one of the senior members of this group. For my understanding, Inoue Tsuyoshi-Munetoshi Soke does not teach Mugai ryu, only Hontai Yoshin ryu.

[Rasmus]

I have no first-hand experience so I can't answer to your other questions. I belive I've found the answers myself here (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kataylor/91jjsa.htm):

What is the place of iaijutsu, when one teaches other things, such as jujutsu, bojutsu etc.?

It is very important. If one cannot use a sword, one cannot know bujutsu. In Hontai Yoshin ryu a beginner should begin with iai. It is all the same whether one starts with Sato Sensei's Mugai ryu or Hontai Yoshin ryu iaijutsu, anything will do. It is better to start with a sword, for if one has not practiced iai, it is difficult to understand the sword side in jujutsu and bojutsu. In the times of the Samurai almost all holders of menkyo kaiden in jujutsu had a menkyo kaiden in kenjutsu or iaijutsu, too. Where I assume Sato-sensei is the one in these two interviews; first (http://ejmas.com/tin/tinart_laitinen_0402.htm) and second (http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kataylor/86jjsa.htm). Which would make him a direkt student of Nakagawa-soke and a member of Nippon Iaido Renmai and the Mugai Kai.

[1/2]

depends what you call 'Northern Europe'...does the UK count? :D

Most definetly

[Chidokan]

in that case nearly all of the ones covered in post 4. :)

[Louvere]

Contact Per Eriksson in Karlskoga Sweden. He's the Shibucho of the Yagyu Shingan Ryu Heihojutsu under Shimazu Kenji Sensei. The YSR is a comprehensive tradition covering armoured & unarmoured combat. Vacancies are limited in this tradition and admittance is by invitation only.

[1/2]

There are several koryu practiced here in Finland. And also in Sweden, but don´t know so much about them.

There are atleast these schools practiced in here:

Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu - Sugawara-ha and Otake Risuke shihan´s "main line".

Kashima Shin ryu

Taura Muso ryu kobujutsu

Muso Jikiden Eishin ryu iai

Muso Shinden ryu iai

Niten Ichi ryu kenjutsu

Hontai Yoshin ryu jujutsu

Mugai ryu iai(small group of Hontai Yoshin ryu practitioners are also practicing Mugai ryu)

Daito ryu Aikijujutsu (Takumakai)

Ono-ha Itto ryu kenjutsu

Jissen kobudo Jinenkan

Bujinkan budo taijutsu

There can be also some other koryu practiced in smaller groups which I have heard rumors...but Don´t know about them, sorry :)

Hope that helped a littlebit!

-S

Thanks,
By the way, do you know if any of these have a web page? :D

[Fred27]

Thanks,
By the way, do you know if any of these have a web page? :D

Some links are found in my post above.

[Charles Mahan]

Here's the MJER link http://www.iaido.fi/

[Sanppa75]

Here comes few links for those finnish koryu pages. Some pages are only in Finnish language, sorry.(but if someone need any help finding some particular info, please feel free to cantact me, I´ll help every way I can.)

Muso Shinden-ryu and Niten Ichi-ryu:

http://www.iaido.fi/

MJER: (not iaido.fi like the post before said)

http://eishinryu.com/

Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu Takumakai:

http://www.daitoryu.fi/eng_index.php

Jinenkan Jissen kobudo:

http://www.jinenkan.fi/

Heki-ryu Insai-ha kyudo:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fikyfe/hekiryu/

Hontai Yoshin-ryu: (the same HYR group for my knowledge practices also Mugaikai Mugai-ryu iaihyodo)
..and there is also info about Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu and Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu in same pages because the headteacher of club-aikiken is also practicing those arts. There are also other HYR pages, but they are only in finnish language, for my knowledge.

http://www.aikiken.fi/index.php?lng=en

Kashima Shin-ryu:

http://www.kashima-shinryu.fi/ (in finnish)

http://www.kashima-shinryu.jp/English/index.html (official pages)

Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu:

http://www.bujinkan.fi/english.php

[Charles Mahan]

MJER: (not iaido.fi like the post before said)

http://eishinryu.com/

Woops. My bad. Sorry.

[ScottUK]

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu in Finland:

Hikari (http://www.kolumbus.fi/hikari/iaido/hnirk/index_en.html) (Helsinki) & Aikiken (http://www.aikiken.fi/) (Jyväskylä)

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Thanks guys and girls, I really apprechiate it.

[Louvere]

Try www.yagyushinganryu.se

Simon Louis

[Solinde]

If you're interested Per Eriksson is teaching a Yagyu Shingan ryu seminar at Täby Combat Academy (http://www.combatacademy.se/) May 20th.

I haven't seen any info on the internet so far, but it has been announced through other media (mainly word-by-mouth).