Shingyoto-ryu embu

[Fred27]

Shingyoto-ryu featured on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmAlRjHVt0
(By Mekugi) :)

3 clips from the same embu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNGWOErNVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55mTb_qwwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJhplUbnfHU

I got no info on which dojo(s) is featured or who the practitioners are.

*edit*

Just a trivia: Shingyoto-ryu (http://www.koryu.com/guide/shingyo.html) traces its lineage to the Katori Shinto-ryu via the formers founder: Iba Josuiken Hideaki who is listed as having trained in TSKSR.

[Josh Reyer]

Fred,

The first clip is from the Atsuta Jingu Embukai, the other three are from some different venue. The group in the first clip is the mainline (only line?) of Shingyoto-ryu, lead by Kobayashi Masao, the elder gentlemen in the suit in the beginning.

I'm fairly certain the latter three clips, despite their caption, are not Shingyoto-ryu. It doesn't look like any of the Shingyoto-ryu I've seen at the Atsuta Jingu Embukai, which are usually short and sweet, with deflections followed by cuts, and not all the extra movement and repeated edge-to-edge smashing together seen in the other three clips. To be frank, the other three clips look like McDojo crap, with none of the kurai, focused intensity, and movement from the hara that one sees in Kobayashi Sensei's group. Plus, the signboard says "Shorinji Kempo", so really I have no idea who they are and what they are doing. But probably not Shingyoto-ryu.

[Steve Delaney]

Fred,

The other three clips might have been filmed in America, some of the chatter by the audience is in English. Also, the embusha are not Japanese - As far as I know, Shingyoto-ryu don't have any foreign monkasei as of yet and according to my Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai guide from 2005, Shingyoto-ryu do not have any shibu dojo. There is only the Hombu dojo in Mie-Prefecture.

On further investigation, I visited the profile page of the person who posted the videos;

Age: 23

Location : United States.

The foot work is abominable as is the maai & hyoshi. Some of the embusha's furigata is pretty bad too. I have seen Shingyoto-ryu many times at Shinkokai embu when I lived in Japan and this isn't even close.

They have some kata that are similar in physical aspect to Shingyoto-ryu, but the contents are drastically different. Also notice that they didn't start out with any reiho or torei. You can sometimes tell which ryuha is which by the distinctive saho they use in their embu prior to them even demonstrating their techniques. (e.g. Takenouchi-ryu use two fingers, Tenjin Shinyo-ryu bow with their teppi stretched out in their hands, etc.)

In Shingyoto-ryu, the shidachi who is usually the senior practitioner of the pair brings the weapons to the embujo and prepares them for the kata, as a tachidori-sha (A third party who would carry the aggrieved party's swords to ensure no skullduggery took place.) would for a duel. No such reiho is used in the three new videos.

[M. McPherson]

Steve,

Funny you mention shibu dojo for Shingyoto-ryu, as I stumbled over this website a few months ago:

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~singyou/

To be quite honest, I only gave it a cursory read, but it looks like the instructor at this dojo spent a few years out at Kameyama. If they are actually connected to the honbu, it's interesting to see this kind of opportunity in the Tokes...

Best,

[RStonell]

Shingyoto ryu is also practised in Hirado, although I don't know whether this is connected to the honbu or not.

[Michael Mason]

I have no idea of the provenance of the group in the last 3 videos, but the footage was filmed on the outdoor stage at the JACCC Plaza in downtown Los Angeles, California, most likely during the August 17th, 2008 Nisei Week Demo.
(I've done demos on that same stage, I recognize the planters in the back)

They weren't listed as a seperate group on the schedule, so maybe they share space / students with the Shorinji Kempo Group?

[Michael Mason]

the label on the videos "2 sei" is some sort of literal 1/2 translation of "Nisei" (?2nd Generation?).

Odd.

[Fred27]

Hey Josh.

Thx for the info. Guess I need to have my McDojo alarm-bell repaired eh? :)

Fred,

The first clip is from the Atsuta Jingu Embukai, the other three are from some different venue. The group in the first clip is the mainline (only line?) of Shingyoto-ryu, lead by Kobayashi Masao, the elder gentlemen in the suit in the beginning.

I'm fairly certain the latter three clips, despite their caption, are not Shingyoto-ryu. It doesn't look like any of the Shingyoto-ryu I've seen at the Atsuta Jingu Embukai, which are usually short and sweet, with deflections followed by cuts, and not all the extra movement and repeated edge-to-edge smashing together seen in the other three clips. To be frank, the other three clips look like McDojo crap, with none of the kurai, focused intensity, and movement from the hara that one sees in Kobayashi Sensei's group. Plus, the signboard says "Shorinji Kempo", so really I have no idea who they are and what they are doing. But probably not Shingyoto-ryu.

[Steve Delaney]

Steve,

Funny you mention shibu dojo for Shingyoto-ryu, as I stumbled over this website a few months ago:

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~singyou/

To be quite honest, I only gave it a cursory read, but it looks like the instructor at this dojo spent a few years out at Kameyama. If they are actually connected to the honbu, it's interesting to see this kind of opportunity in the Tokes...

Best,

It must be a very recently established shibu then. Something within the past 2-3 years.

Thanks for the info.