Tenshinsho-den Katori Shinto-ryu
***THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HAS EMAILED ME.
PLEASE CAN ANYONE ELSE WANTING A COPY NOT EMAIL ME AT THIS PRESENT TIME. I AM BUSY TRYING TO SORT OUT THE TAPES FOR THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED ME.
I WILL PLACE ANOTHER THREAD WHEN I KNOW THE TAPES HAVE BEEN RECIEVED AND THEN WE CAN ORGANISE COPIES FOR OTHER INTRESTED PARTIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE!*****
MICHAEL BECKER
Hello All
There seems to be some intrest in the BBC documentary on the Katori Shinto Ryu I mentioned in another thread.
I offered to send out five copies to intrested people if they emailed me, but I think that the demand is likely to outstrip availabililty.
So, I have an idea. I am prepared to do another five copies ( total of ten ). I dont want any money because as I have said before, I am not in the business of pirating videos ( I am footing all the costs out of my own pocket).
What I would like is for some of the people that recieve a copy to volunteer to do the same. So, for example, if five people recieve a copy and then send out five copies themselves, then that means that 30 people in total can have a copy.
I am not insisting on this and anyone that recieves a copy will not have their name or details passed on whatsoever. But, since I am sending out free copies, it would be nice for those recieving one to help out other intrested parties.
As it stands, I have six copies left to send out. If anyone wants one then they can email me directly and I will get them a tape out.
Once the tapes are gone I will post a message here to tell people.
So dont be shy, email me if you are intrested!
[Edited by Michael Becker on 06-29-2000 at 06:10 AM]
I don't think it's a good idea...
Although it's a nice thought sharing such videos to others without charging them anything I think one should consider more than just the good will of the act.Sometimes although the intentions are good they might spawn something else which is not favourable.
Regarding the circulation of these series about Katori Shinto Ryu (or any such tapes for that matter)I feel it's like giving "A loaded gun" indescriminately to someone one doesn't know.(Although the series was shown on television). It's a personal view but it carries over to my opinion why I am not keen on having translations of rare budo material from Japanese to English as well. I feel the opportunity to misuse would be greater than the benifits it would reap. Just my opinion though..
It would be extremly regrettable if such tapes fall into wrong hands where someone just viewing snippets from such footage go ahead and start dishing out "advise" the Katori Shinto Ryu "way" as done by Otake sensei or start comparing systems when they are not even Monjin of the ryu to begin with.It's extremely disgraceful if that happens.
So although the intentions are good I feel it's just NOT a good idea to circulate such items around... If one manages to catch it on television it's fine otherwise I don't see the point circulating it to let as many people see it as possible. Hopefully, someone from Shinbukan who is in a better position would have some comments with regards to this issue..
Regards,
[Edited by Joanne Miller on 07-26-2000 at 02:45 AM]
I think you have mistaken my post.
Hello Mr Becker,
Given that I startd this particular post it's only right of me to respond.
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
I dont think you are qualified to condemn. Or are you implying that you know better than the head teaching master of the TSKSR what should and shouldnt be shown?
I think you have misinterpret the nature of my post. I never condemmed (as you put it in your words) the production. And I suggest you should re-read my post carefully to see if there is any line suggesting I condem it. Neither have I impled that I know better than the head teacher master of the TSKSR and I certainly don't know how you could twist my views into that direction. Maybe my views differ from yours and might incest you but to suggest that of me (know better that the head teaching master..)and twist it around is pretty unfair.
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
If you want to vent your spleen over material irresponsibly passed on then why dont you go and crusade over the Dim Mak videos and books that are being sold
I am not on a crusade nor am I venting myself on anything and I am certainly no budo-guarding-vigilante. My point of my previous post is that your act of kindness might be a 2 edge sword. Point being we would not know who might be on the reciving on of such items.(Pass to one person and person makes copies to distribute to others) I am just giving my side of the prepective what MIGHT happen , I didn't said that it defiently would happen.
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
Do you think the looney fringe would consult translations of rare texts? Basic grammar seems to be beyond many of them.
Defintely those who wish to dabble into such rare text can't understand such language given that such documents are written in classical style with their own meanings.Furthermore mere ability to understand classical forms does not mean one could read it of like a book as such meanings require intiation into the system. However with a program (video) being visual it's different...
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
Are you seriously suggesting that by sending out copies of the program I will be responsible for the spawning of numerous Joke-jutsu and Wizard Ryu schools? Dont talk rubbish![/B]
I never suggested that you are responsible for the spawning of such schools with regards to the circulation of the production. Maybe because my message was directed to the thread that you feel I am attacking you and blaming you for "wizard ryu" schools which are around.If you feel that way then I think you are mistaken. My intention was to point out the possible "unfavourable" outcomes that might occur. I did not suggest that you would be cause of it.
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
Of course they could be plotting devious things that I dont know about. I doubt it though.![/B]
I am not accusing anyone who recieve such tapes to do devious things but as I said in my earlier message and as you stated in the line above there could be.That's my intention on my previous post. We wouldn't know especially if the person who recieves it makes duplicates and pass it around. Sort of like an exponential growth thing. Some of us on this board know how Katori's name have been mis-use by a certain group and when confronted deny it. My point of my post is that it could happen again but we wouldn't know. Sometimes doing something might have an effect one does not intent from the first place. Be in good or bad we wouldn't know. *Just like my previous message where my intentions were misread and taken to mean I am questioning the production by the head teacher of TSKSR which I am not*
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Originally posted by Michael Becker
Has it not occured to you that the best way to prevent the frauds from duping people is to make sure that as much legitimate information as possible is available to the public?.[/B]
Yes, I defiently agree on that. With works done by pioneering western martial art writers these days it's defiently a harder time for the frauds. However with the sharing of such information there is always a possibilty it could give rise to "smarter frauds" who make use of snippets of such information to "cloud" people.In short I am not condemming the production (That was never was my intention nor would I be bold enough to even hold a figment of such incorrigble behaviour in me) nor was my intention to condemm your action.The reason of my previous post is to offer my prespective that sometimes good things turn bad when they were not intended to be so in the first place as well as to point out the possible "unfavourable" outcomes that might occur.
With Regards to Mr Threadgill,
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Originally posted by Toby Threadgill
You may have the right to question his decision but not the expertise or authority.
As replied to Mr Becker above. I never did once question the decision of TSKSR I suggest you read my previous post careful with regard to my intentions. In that statement of yours it apparently makes it seem that I "had" said such things (question expertise or authority) when I did not. It gives others a false impression of the nature of my post by twisting my intentions. I am sure you did not do so with malice but you choice of words made it seem such. With things such as a forums sometimes intentions can be misread with one's choice of words as one rely on words to convey one's feelings. But on the whole I take it people mean what they say in good faith unless I am mistaken..
Regards,
[Edited by Joanne Miller on 07-26-2000 at 10:28 AM]