One of my favorite post of all-time
Thats an old Judo trick. I try to use it to create space where I could slip a hand under to get a grip for a version of okuri eri jime. The technique is similar to what I think the brazilians call the clock choke. I get these PP things done on me also in the course of Judo. As long as you keep the hands out of the face you can usually do it in practice. After a while you learn to ignore it and try to go on with business. I guess Judo makes you numb. Well this topic reminded me of one of my favorite post of all time. It awfully long so I won't quote the whole thing but here is part of it. Enjoy, I really liked it when Ellis first posted it. Have a good week.
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Originally posted by Ellis Amdur
... First of all, the SUBTLETY would be getting a struggling, aggressive, maybe drug-intoxicated or berserk individual on his stomach so you could "get" a knee on the neck!! And it's far kinder to put on a decisive technique to immobilize someone rather than a half-assed one that allows them to continue the fight, perhaps necessitating a less "subtle" and more damaging level of force.
More generally, my system of koryu grappling has kyusho - nerve, pressure points, etc. In fact, the proper attack to the neck IS a knee or elbow.
I've probably told this story before, but what the heck. Fooling around, I told a judo instructor friend of mine in Japan that, due to my koryu skill, I was unstranglible. He, of course, challenged me. I lay on my back and he put a cross-collar on me. I can take a good strangle for a few moments, and I used forceful pressure on points in his rib cage with my knuckles, and he shot over my head in agony (note this is a form of hypnosis - I set up conditions whereby, as will be seen, he 'forgot' what he could do). He was majorly upset. I was laughing - Kirin beer fuels such whimsey - and I said, "O.K. Let's do it again. You're pissed, right? So let's imagine I just raped your sister. C'mon, bro, get into it. Imagine my judo-defeating hairy gaijin self on your sister. Strangle me again!" See, I really wanted to see if this kyusho pressure stuff worked under real conditions! He jumps on me, slams the cross-choke home, I'm resisting all my might, and I'm already starting to go out. Put on the pressure points hard - NOTHING! Spread my arms wide, knuckles out, and with all my might, slammed them home, right in the prescribed points. (He had bruises for weeks, and I might have slightly cracked his cartilage at one point). Next thing I remember is the revival. We both started laughing and poured another. The point being that a) pressure points, as most people conceive of them, are really are not combative moves they go with the Klingon Death touch. b) the proof of this only comes up in free-style, which includes what happens to the body when you are enraged, and totally committed, and don't care about pain.
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Judo guys are a pretty sturdy bunch
Hi Hector
I got your e-mail, thanks a lot. I tried to forward it to my office so I could respond today but it didn't go through. I'll try to send a reply tonight after I get home from the dojo. Things are going pretty good up here right now.
The only PP I ever use in newaza is the one under the jaw using the index finger knuckle in the course of trying to slip in a collar choke. This works best when on top going for an okuri eri jime. Psychologically this works better when you are in the superior and safer postion. When on the bottom and getting you butt kicked in osaekomi waza then the last thing I want to do is !!!! off my opponent :laugh:
Yes the other PPs like gouging the ribs and cheap crap like that won't do anything other than piss off your partner. I guess this stuff must work pretty good on karate guys though or they wouldn't be doing it. But all you will do is !!!! off a Judo player or BJJ player.
Just don't do the PP the is supposed to cause defecation during newaza. :toot: