"Senso ryu" Aikijutsu/ Theodore Hanulak

[Nathan Scott]

The background image that Mr. Gordon refered to on aiki-jutsu.com can be found here:

http://www.aiki-jutsu.com/kanjifade.jpg

It took me a few minutes to figure out if this menjo was correct or not - it does claim to be issued from the "Daito ryu Aikibudo SoHonbu", and is signed and stamped by "Soke Takeda Tokimune". However, as I suspected, this is simply a faded image of the Soke Dairi certificate issued to Kondo Katsuyuki s. by Tokimune s. - most likely lifted from his web page! This image can also be found (and confirmed) on page 171 of CWDRM.

Nice.

They don't seem to mention Daito ryu on their site, aside from a brief definition.

Anyway, this topic has been discussed at length in the following threads (that's why my opening message suggests doing a search first!):

"Senso ryu" aikijutsu/ Hanulak

Torishimaru aikijutsu/ Richard Behrens

I didn't bother to watch the MPEG's.

Regards,

[MarkF]

I didn't take the time to download and watch the MPEGs either. What is there in pictures does seem to be aikido-type nage-waza, mostly, but the phrase "Using your opponents strength against him" is very common to judo, but obviously can be used in most budo.

It was simply 2+2+2=6 very quickly.

While it may be a FOS web site and MA, it isn't the worst of them, by a longshot.

Mark

[Chuck.Gordon]

Originally posted by Nathan Scott
Anyway, this topic has been discussed at length in the following threads (that's why my opening message suggests doing a search first!):

Hi Nathan,

I did try the search for several terms, the ryu names, the people's names, etc, and the return was nil. That's why I asked.

I guess my next stop is to call and arrange a visit to Ted's place. I've had folks asking about the system and the dojo and want to be able to make an honest reccomendattion or not ...

Thanks for all the input!

Chuck

[Nathan Scott]

Funny enough Mr. Gordon, I also tried a search before posting my last message trying to save some time. The search only came up with this current thread.

I knew there was previous discussion, so went through the pages by hand looking at the titles.

The search used to work well, but maybe something is F'd up... I mean, malfunctioning.

I'll ask John - thanks for mentioning it.

Regards,

[someguy]

I know my former Sensei Ted Hanulak has been talk about in this group before an his first teaher Richard behrens has as well. Ted's second teacher has not really been talked about much becuase little if anything is known outside of Ted, but now on the website he has a picture of a japanese man in robes and the man is very young but could you nathan take a look and see if you can tell if he stole it from some where or is it a real picture of Enio Sotou Roshi.


James Fitzgerald

[someguy]

Sorry the website is www.Aiki-jutsu.com

thanks

james fitzgerald

[someguy]

I guess no one knows or maybe no cares to help me becuase my post has been viewed over a hunderd times and no replies but mine so please just Delete this post and thank you all for nothing.


James Fitzgerald


Ps if you wanted me to post the picture here I can't i'm on a webtv unit.

[Mark Jakabcsin]

James,
Simply put you are a Cyberjackass. You write asking for help, wait LESS then 24 hours and then cry like a 6 year old girl that no one helped responded. This 'Please delete my post since no one cares, ' crap is very childish.

Here's a clue for you, we don't all sit by the computer waiting hour after hour hoping that YOU will post so we can immediately post back. Nor is anyone obligated to post back simply because YOU posted. Grow up.

mark

[someguy]

All I did was ask for help and I get your post mark well thank you if I had stuck this in the Bad budo or baffling budo I would have a least ten replies by now I put it here becuase I did value the opinoins in here more and the time difference between where I live and the bb time is about 8 hours jackoff.

Now the reason I posted here was becuase I needed help and if anyone every asked me how to check out any kind of Instructor or shihan or soke whatever, I send them here, I was just looking to get help from people who seem to bein the know on everything related to the Japanese martial arts

I spent five and a half years under Ted i was the highest ranking student in the state before I left, I need to know if He is a fake, the before mentioned decussions on this BB are what got me to think and start to question him and lead to my choice to leave. Sorry if your life is so full you can look at what i posted but not even try to help me.

James Fitzgerald

[Mark Jakabcsin]

Originally posted by someguy
..... the time difference between where I live and the bb time is about 8 hours jackoff.

I stand corrected it was more than 24 hours, it was 29 hours 56 minutes between posts. Big deal. If it was 2 days, 2 weeks or 2 years between posts it still doesn't account for the child like crying you displayed. Cyberwhining is most annoying.

Originally posted by someguy
All I did was ask for help and I get your post mark well thank you if I had stuck this in the Bad budo or baffling budo I would have a least ten replies by now I put it here becuase I did value the opinoins in here more...

Ahhh, if all you wanted was replys and you know you can get 10 replys in other sections of the forum then you should post there. Comparing this section of E-budo to another is just down right dumb. Each sub forum has it's own feel and it's own members. Secondly, if you truly value the opinions of those that post here then you should have the patience and curtsy to wait for a reply instead of whining like a little.......(fill in the blank).

Originally posted by someguy
I spent five and a half years under Ted i was the highest ranking student in the state before I left, I need to know if He is a fake, the before mentioned decussions on this BB are what got me to think and start to question him and lead to my choice to leave.

Let me get this right, you spend 5+ years training with this guy and NOW you decide to see if he is for real? You wait 5+ years to check this guy out and now you can't wait more than 29 hours and 56 minutes for a reply? What the hell is the sudden rush?

Furthermore, you expecting others to do your research for you and expecting them to do it in less than 29 hours 56 minutes on a weekend. While you obviously don't have brains you got balls.

Originally posted by someguy
Sorry if your life is so full you can look at what i posted but not even try to help me.

My life is very full and very pleasant, thank you. What you fail to understand is no one on this forum or anywhere on the Internet is OBLIGATED to respond to you. Just because you have a question or a problem doesn't mean you can simply post it and expect others are required to help and respond, let alone in the time frame you establish. Once again I request you to grow up. Contrary to what your momma told you it ain't all about you.

mark

ps. If you are looking for dirt on a individual you really should post in the bad or baffling budo sections of this forum. That is why those forums exist.

[John Lindsey]

Both you boys need to stop it right now or you will be gone. Do not call any member a jackass or jackoff or jack anything.

As for senso ryu, it appears from its website that it is neo-budo. Too much zen for me too. What exactly is his claims in regards to lineage?

[John Lindsey]

Senso-ryu Aikijujutsu is a gendai form of jujutsu with "aiki" principles.

Ok, this quote is from his website. So, he did some jujutsu in the past and added aiki and some zen. So, it is just neo-budo and not to be confused with traditional Japanese martial arts.

I saw the picture of the Japanese fellow you mentioned, and I think it is a deceased Soke from Hakko-ryu maybe....

[Nathan Scott]

Mr. Fitzgerald,

What an interesting thread you've brought to us here. I would also very much appreciate a better attitude if you continue to post. I would normally say something stronger, but John has already done so, and I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. I will nuke any other rude or antagonistic posts though, and if necessary, request administrative action from John.

For the record, I for one train a lot. Saturdays I typically train all day, and Sunday I give to my wife so I can get away with training the rest of the week. So I rarely check the forums or my email on the weekend, which is why I didn't reply yet or even know about your thread. As Mark said, you'll get a lot more help using courtesy than through posting demands.

As far as your question goes, I believe this is the image you are asking about:

<img src="http://www.aiki-jutsu.com/juidsl.jpg" border=0 height=155 width=120>

The image is titled "juidsl", which doesn't ring any bells with me. He does look familiar though, but I can't place who it might be. Perhaps someone else knows. Personally I like the photo of the white belts hanging up in the dojo with blood smeared all over them. Never thought of that. Mr. Fitzgerald, your name is on one of them - is this a "right of passage" for the newer students?:



As far as whether your training in "Senso ryu" was legitimate or not, that depends on what you think it is. If you think it is a classical Japanese art, then yes - something is funny. But he seems to be clear about what he is teaching and who is instructors are. "Aikijutsu/Aikijujutsu" has become a bit of a catch-all art name (in some usages at least). One could argue that anything that isn't Daito-ryu or at least derived/appear/feel like (same principles, waza, etc.) Daito-ryu is not "Aikijujutsu", but the fact is, people can define the name of their art however they like - whether we like it or not. I could teach my own art based on Judo techniques and call it Karate, and though it might be confusing to those who know what Karate is, there is nothing stopping me from call the art what I want (unless it is legally protected). I mean, what is "Taebo"?!?

What Mr. Hanulak, Behrens, and Roshi have to contend with is how they are perceived and accepted by their peers. I think the thread you refered to here on e-budo can give you a good idea what that might be.

But based on what I see on their webpage, I do not see anything legally or ethically wrong with what they are teaching. They do seem to teach pretty much everything (including tameshigiri - man, everyone is cutting these days!), but none of us can say how "effective" of authentic the techniques are over the net.

I'd say that if you benefited from the training, then perhaps just consider yourself fortunate and move on to something else? Further experience would be the best way to understand/evaluate what you were learning previously.

Regards,

[Chris Li]

Originally posted by Nathan Scott

As far as your question goes, I believe this is the image you are asking about:

<img src="http://www.aiki-jutsu.com/juidsl.jpg" border=0 height=155 width=120>

The image is titled "juidsl", which doesn't ring any bells with me. He does look familiar though, but I can't place who it might be. Perhaps someone else knows.

Ryuho Okuyama.


Best,

Chris

[Cady Goldfield]

Originally posted by Mark Jakabcsin
You write asking for help, wait LESS then 24 hours and then cry like a 6 year old girl that no one helped responded.

Hey, I resent that! I didn't cry that easily as a 6-year-old!

What is with the blood on those belts?? I've never seen that before at a dojo or anywhere. I'm curious about this school.