Iaido Artwork & Related Objects

[John Lindsey]

Jimmy, I am having fun too!

BTW, I recently read that HBO or someone is doing a film about Hitler when he was a young artist. Was he even a good artist?

[JimmyCrow]

Originally posted by John Lindsey
I recently read that HBO or someone is doing a film about Hitler when he was a young artist. Was he even a good artist?

John,

Whether Hitler was a good artist or not is not for us to decide. Only one who has truly freed her mind may make that decesion, and that is the one known as D42.

[George Kohler]

Originally posted by JimmyCrow
R2-D24...

OMG, my beer is all over my keyboard and monitor.

Does anyone have any fine art that I can use to clean up this mess? I'm sorry, crap will only make it worse.

Jimmy, you owe me a keyboard.

[JimmyCrow]

George,

I can't offer you a new keyboard but I will be glad to give you this High Quality piece of art I purchased from www.punkassbitch.com to clean it with. The title of the piece on their web site is "Here Child, Finish Your Nothing". I don't know though, kind of looks like a cheap rip-off of "Dogs Playing Cards" to me. Only cost me $11,000. Well it seemed like a good idea at the time.
I showed it to Dieter and he had this to say...

I see genius. By seemingly embracing the cliches of the West, she is underscoring its excruciating banality. It's presence intimidates me to the point of humiliation. Would you care to strike me?

[Please note that the art wasn't actually sold to me. It was offered]

[Kiz Belle]

OMG! This chick just can't be serious, can she? I've had the biggest laugh from this thread. If you go to her site and look at her "iaido" pictures you will notice she is selling MECHANICALLY REPRODUCED PRINTS! (Sorry for the shouting fellow-forumites, but I'm all riled up) MECHANICALLY REPRODUCED PRINTS ARE NOT HIGH END ART! These are not Art Prints ie Woodcuts or Etchings. They are just plain old prints of original works. Reproduction prints are merchandise. They are only made to make money.

She also says she's also selling original works. Since she is the one to contact boards like this that makes her a dealer and/or gallery owner. I don't care if she is also an artist ("doer"), what's stopping anyone from being both?

This has either gotta be a dumb joke or someone trying to stir. I'm a full time artist and have met quite a few dealers/gallery owner's. Granted most of them seem to be plum crazy, but crazy in a "I can schmooze you into parting with $10,000's" way, rather than a "lose friends and irritate people" way like this lady. If this lady really is legit I can't see her being in business for long. Frankly, I don't think she is who she says she is. Frankly, I don't think she is who she says she is.

Oh, and by the way D42 (if your still here) I'm new here so I have no particular agenda with defending the owner or moderators of this site. Frankly I think it's their call what kind of posts get through. So what if they didn't let you post your ad? If the work's as good as you say it is surely you'll be able to sell it elsewhere? Your behaviour does you and your fellow artist a diservice. I doubt anyone here has been encouraged to purchase artworks via "cafeshops" because of this thread.

[John Lindsey]

Kiz,

Thanks for the comments. What kind of artist are you? Can you show some of your work?

[Joseph Svinth]

Examples (and discussions) of Adolf Hitler's paintings appear at

* http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/artist/Kucera/pic7.html (A possible forgery, as it is more sophisticated than his later pictures)
* http://www.snyderstreasures.net/pages/hartworks.htm
* http://www.williams.edu/WCMA/prelude/prelude3.html
* http://members.tripod.com/~Propagander2/index-8.html

Where Hitler got into trouble was that he had trouble drawing animate objects (e.g., people and animals). Perhaps he couldn't empathize or relate? Anyway, he was, in the eyes of the art professors, essentially a draughtsman rather than an artist.

An original A. Hitler watercolor (his favorite medium) usually sells for between US $8-12,000.

As for original, early 21st century art purchased directly from a non-celebrity artist, figure on spending somewhere between $100-$1000, depending on the medium and the subject matter. More than that, and you're either paying for a famous artist's autograph or the dealer's mark-up.

My theory? Always buy direct from the artist, as the dealer usually gives the artist no more than 8-10% of the price paid by the buyer. No different from writing, really, where the author usually gets 4-8% of the cover price of the book, or boxing, where the fighter pays all the bills and taxes, and the managers take all the profit.

[Kiz Belle]

Originally posted by John Lindsey
Kiz,

Thanks for the comments. What kind of artist are you? Can you show some of your work?

I'm a printmaker, mainly, mostly linocuts, woodcuts and occasionly etchings. I also like drawing, and I've recently gone back to school (again) to study ceramics. I've also studied photography and stained glass at tertiary level (and gallery management/art business practice ), so I guess I'm really a jack-of-all-trades. I can't show you any of my stuff yet, because I don't have a scanner yet. (I'm getting one soon, though!)

[Kiz Belle]

My theory? Always buy direct from the artist, as the dealer usually gives the artist no more than 8-10% of the price paid by the buyer.

When paintings or other artworks are sold in art galleries, the gallery should usually take 30% or so commission on paintings sold. Still a hefty slug, though. Your idea of buying directly from the artist is always the best. On my "non-celebrity" wage I could really use that 30% extra.

[Phil Farmer]

Jimmy,

Thanks for the reference art. The "Poker Game" picture you posted makes sense to me now. I think our German friend may be legit after all. If that really is her artwork (and I, of course have no reason to doubt you)then I can say I saw it before, in an German establishment. You see, there used to be this German beer garden in New Braunfels, Texas and when I went in there, well the walls were covered with pictures just like this one, though with varying themes. So it is a German thing. . . who would have thought?

Phil Farmer

[Onmitsu]

Where Hitler got into trouble was that he had trouble drawing animate objects (e.g., people and animals). Perhaps he couldn't empathize or relate? Anyway, he was, in the eyes of the art professors, essentially a draughtsman rather than an artist.

"After the death of his mother and his second rejection
from the Fine Arts Academy, Hitler goes through his meager
savings and spends the summer and fall of 1909 as a
homeless person walking the streets of Vienna, sleeping
on sidewalks and benches, begging and eating in soup kitchens."

One can see how a young Hitler might have developed a hatred for the affluent jews that he encountered.

"Vienna...is to me only the living memory of the most
miserable time of my life. Even today it can awaken
only depressing thoughts in my mind. The name of this
Phaeacian city means five years of sorrow and misery.
Five years in which I had to make my living first as
a worker, then as a painter..."-Hitler

In December of 1909, he was driven by cold to move
into a temporary homeless shelter, ironicaly enough
funded by Jewish philanthropists.

[Joseph Svinth]

You'll have to send that description to Tony Kehoe.

Still, what to do about them Maple Leaf Trolls. You know, the ones who complain about how USA is taking over Canada, but conveniently forget about Seagrams, Lorne Greene, Leslie Nielson, and Shania Twayne...

(Overall, Canadians own about 10% of North America, which is about their population -- if you exclude Mexico. If you include Mexico as part of North America, then Canadians own a disproportionate amount of the continent.)

[John Lindsey]

This thread is being discussed AGAIN over on the Iaido-L list.

[SLeclair]

I don't remember any mention of this thread on Iaido-L. I did find it all by myself.

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Sorry, I was under the impression that the thread was active. I guess Mr. Lindsey's post just brought it back from the dead, and the person selling art really had stopped responding. I should learn to keep track of the dates the messages are posted

Sebastien Leclair

[John Lindsey]

This was posted on 8-12-2003 to the Iaido-L list:

What do these speculations have to do with anything? If this is the
'attentiveness' and
'focus' and 'awareness' level--on cannot imagine any sort of
non-choreographed real world fighting. Actually, I better not.

As for those who think that kendo is "just for fun"--do be aware of various
historical roots of the matter, very recent in fact, actually since WW2 is
the "emergence" of ANY sort of martial art as "entertainment," likewise the
separation of spirituality and martial arts.

Slandering, disrespectful and slighting attitude towards the matter merely
reflects on the purveyor's own ignorance and arrogance, as well as internal
laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to just have fun, put on a
kimono and learn to entertain, darling. Or proceed to entertain yourself as
you please--after all these days everything is a "business"--one of the
problmatric attitudes of e-Budo, an attitude which has been proliferated
*only* since WW2
by various profiteers. 60 years hardly consists in a "tradition"--while
amateurs fancy that their loudmouthed croaking perversion of traditions in
which they are GUESTS and hardly masters,
is very very important.

Might one suggest that if Mr. Lindsey were to display this attitude of
disrespect in an actual
real life Japanese situation, according to old fashioned traditions his
head would have been on the chopping block, and the rest of his |sword| a
practicing target for tameshigiri.


It would seem that certain loudmouthed and arrogant twits and I insist on
the matter fancy that martial artists are prostitutes at whom they will
wave a few dollars and everything will be bought, or the reverse, that they
are "owed" proofs and explanations.

Lastly, the "putting down" of another's go is largely a futile avoidance of
having to clean up one's own. Even in the cases where assistance with such
matters is a possibility, the person must be qualified, and not just
labeling whatever they dislike |ego|--or for that matter what was observed
is a rampant desire to flatten out and crush anything that is possessive of
internal force as "ego" by infantilisic flippant attitude.

That would be why martial arts in actuality are reserved for those proven
in spirit, while e-Budo forum seems to encourage the mouthing off to idiots
to strangers. And if we appear to be harsh it is not because of any
spirituality--only someone largely as arrogant as the "individual" posting
can possibly fancy that the westrn disease of proselytizing is
"universal"--and that we care whether you enjoy spirituality or not. It is
clearly an individual decision, suitable for mature individual and not kids
who "just want to have fun". Yet if you don't care about it, please do
stand up by your word, and please do NOT care about it--instead you're
using a cheap and kitsch passive aggressive "below the belt" "trick" of
attmepting to bounce yourself off those who do have charisma + energy as a
result of spiritual work in order to make yourself "shine".
Your I don't care about spirituality posturing is fraudulent and
unconvincing, and if you're indeed sincere, then do avoid accosting those
who do, because otherwise you're lik a cowardly princess sitting by the
water screaming "I don't care about swimming". One of these days
hopefully a water demon would have the common sense to eat you alive, and
then we can talk about it.