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    Default Kiyoshi Arakaki?

    I saw this the other day at the store:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

    The Secrets of Okinawan Karate: Essence and Techniques.

    I was wondering about his explanation of the shotokan punch vs his penetrating punch. He talks a little bit about the one-inch punch etc.

    Anyone seen this gentleman or his students in actions?
    It sure looks different than the karate that I've seen (Shotokan and Wado-ryu).

    Comments?
    Tim Fong
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    Default Sound...

    His reasoning for throwing a whipping punch vs. a "muscle power only" punch is sound. Most good Shorin schools teach punching with the same rationale. It says in his bio that he also trained and fought Muay Thai in Thailand. Not bad. Doesn't Shotokan (being of ShuriTe derivation) teach one how to punch like this? If not then that may be the Naha Te influence- force vs. speed (which seem to be inclusive). Physics supports Sensei Arakaki's assertions.

    Bryan Cyr

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    Default Muso kai

    K. Arakaki's brand of karate, 'Muso kai'.

    Muso kai combines shorin ryu with kyokushin and he enters his fighters in full-contact KK type events.

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    Default Domo!!

    Thanks Sensei Bustillo. Those are 2 very good styles to combine. His students are probably bad-arse!!!

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    I saw an translated article (reference to article) about tsuki practise in Shorin-ryu and some exercoises. As it was written, he is 8 dan of Matsubayashi-ryu karatedo.
    Pavel Dolgachov

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    Default ICG

    Hello All,

    In his book, he makes several interesting observations on directing a person center of gravity to the outside of the body to harness the power of the gravity into a tecnique.

    I tried this in some kata, and of course, it feels awkward for me (since this is new to me) and kind of feels like you are falling into a tecnique. Again, since you are falling, you have that power added to your tecnique, but, I just feel really off balance.

    I may be interpreting it all wrong, I thought the book was a little hard to follow, so I will read it again and analize it some more.

    He does talk about learning to float, and that Naihanchi is kind of using the tecnique when you lift the leg ( so you are on one leg )

    Like a chair missing 2 legs.... Interesting....

    I guess I need to work it quite a bit more, but I think he has something.


    With Warmest Regards,
    Sincerely,
    Joseph M. DiBella

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    Joe,

    Arakai is 100% correct. Read this article by Toshihiro Oshiro
    and you will see that they are in complete agreement:

    http://www.oshirodojo.com/karate.html

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    Thanks Ginko, Sir,

    I have three of Toshihiro Oshiro's videos, and they are quite treasured in my collection.

    I happened to have Jury Duty Today, and was able to read about 100 pages of his book again.

    Some of the things seem to contradict what my Sensei says, So, I will probably lend the book to my sensei and see what he thinks. The ICG stuff is facinating.


    -Joe
    With Warmest Regards,
    Sincerely,
    Joseph M. DiBella

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    Oh-Oh.

    Sounds like Real Secrets of Okinawan Karate and Real Things you learn from Kata are getting out.

    Is what it sounds like.

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    kusanku,

    Tell us, what is your opinion? I have read your posts before and highly respect your opinion.

    My main issue is the feeling off ballance stuff. Looking at the book, it does make logical sense to project your ICG to a place outside of your body...

    But, It also seems like if you are leaning foward, for example, doesn't it put you at a disadvantge to be commiting to a specific direction and loss of ballance?

    He says that you find ballance when you contact your opponent... But, what if you miss.... Does that mean that you are now falling.... Don't akido people use this to their advantage, too? Take advangage of someone's foward attack energy?

    Perhaps I am moving too foward when doing these techniques.... Perhaps it is a more suttle thing.

    Please share your insites....
    With Warmest Regards,
    Sincerely,
    Joseph M. DiBella

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    Default Not John but...

    Balance is the key. My sensei always says, "first off steal their balance", this is why stances that are to long and deep can't distribute force as well as natural ones. Additionally, movement is hampered. In the same breath, proper power transfer is facilitated by correct structural ki. This means that your tanden or dantien should always be where it's suppose to be. Just below your navel. If your center of gravity is above or below that then your alignment is not good. Correct movement and transfer of momentum will be effected. Positioning and quickness rely on balance. Notice I said "quickness", not "speed". Oh yeah, relaxation when it counts is also crucial.

    It's not about leaning forward or backward. It's about sinking and rising power, depending on the elevation of ones strike and ma-ai. Bend your knees! These are the SECRETS that have been "misplaced" with karates "budofication". The truth is, what very, very few people still understand about toudi may hurt you, hahaha! That other junk will anger a real fighter, ruin YOUR balance and make things rough (for you) in a real fight. Of course none of us know what a real fight is. The only reality is UFC, Pride and Full Contact karate.

    Your turn John....

    Bryan Cyr, Nidan, Kokusai ShuriTe Karate/Kobujutsu Rengo Kai

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    Default Almost...

    Originally posted by Ginko
    Joe,

    Arakai is 100% correct. Read this article by Toshihiro Oshiro
    and you will see that they are in complete agreement:

    http://www.oshirodojo.com/karate.html
    To say that he is 100% correct would be a false statement. Most of his points are right on, but some fall short. For example, Shuri Te was influenced by the Satsuma Family style, Jigen Ryu, but much of its influence is from Shaolin where Sokon Matsumura trained, and the native fighting traditions of Okinawa. Many of the linear aspects of Shorin do come from kenjutsu type ideals, but Shorin is both linear and circular. At least Orthodox Shuri Te.

    All-in-all an outstanding article and I agree with about 98% of what he said. The leaning forward, or projecting one's momentum forward is kinda' questionable, as you can do this without "leaning" or "falling" forward. Old technique may appear to lean, but it is more gravity utilization than anything. Balance is still 50/50 at the terminus. Don't give the opponent any momentum he could use to his favor.

    Bryan Cyr

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    Hello Guys,

    Well, I showed the book to my Sensei... He disagrees with much of what is in the book. Expecially much of the foward posture that the book depicts.

    He infact told me that I should do less Karate-Read and more Karate-Do....

    My Sensei is highly respected, and has never steered me wrong. So, I guess that the book does not apply to my style of karate, which is probably why I am having such a hard time with the material.

    Thanks, anyway for your input....


    Sincerely,

    Joe DiBella
    With Warmest Regards,
    Sincerely,
    Joseph M. DiBella

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    Bryan,
    I'll try to explain this as best as I can without insulting
    Oshiro Sensei because I have yet to be able to do this on a
    regular basis.

    The way he explained the "falling" to me was, if you look at an
    Olympic runner, his feet don't propel him as much as they try to
    keep up with his head. In other words you are slightly out of
    balance and you kind of fall into your position. Since Okinawan
    stances are much narrower than Japanese, your commitment to
    direction isn't as severe. Also, when you commit to a direction,
    you commit. So in moving forward, you are using sinking power.
    I think...

    I hope I didn't butcher the explanation. Like I said, I haven't
    mastered this yet, and I haven't seen Oshiro Sensei in 2 years,
    but there is a difference. He also told me that this was one of
    the diffences between sport and (for lack of a better word) jutsu.

    Peace
    Ray Baldonade
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    "Love many, trust few and do wrong to none". Chan Yau-man

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    Originally posted by Nyuck3X
    Bryan,
    I'll try to explain this as best as I can without insulting
    Oshiro Sensei because I have yet to be able to do this on a
    regular basis.

    The way he explained the "falling" to me was, if you look at an
    Olympic runner, his feet don't propel him as much as they try to
    keep up with his head. In other words you are slightly out of
    balance and you kind of fall into your position. Since Okinawan
    stances are much narrower than Japanese, your commitment to
    direction isn't as severe. Also, when you commit to a direction,
    you commit. So in moving forward, you are using sinking power.
    I think...

    I hope I didn't butcher the explanation. Like I said, I haven't
    mastered this yet, and I haven't seen Oshiro Sensei in 2 years,
    but there is a difference. He also told me that this was one of
    the diffences between sport and (for lack of a better word) jutsu.

    Peace
    Thanks for the explanation. He is right then, sorry!
    Bryan Cyr

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