Likes Likes:  0
Results 1 to 3 of 3

Thread: Iai Lineage

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Weimar, Germany
    Posts
    11
    Likes (received)
    0

    Question Iai Lineage

    First I'd like to thank Erik Tracy for that great diagram. I managed to make a copy and add in my own sensei so I could figure it all out. I train with Hirao Katsumi Sensei in Tokushima, and he would be a "cousin" to Haruna Sensei.

    Anyway, it got me started so I tried drawing a similar diagram going back from Oe Sensei all the way to Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu. A good way of seeing that Tanimura-ha and Shimomura-ha were really closely related. But it also highlited the fact that a lot of my information is scant and often contradictory. I admit my sources are all 3rd hand, but they seemed to suggest that 'the facts' are scarce indeed.

    So, my question. What are the best sources for information on the early origins of Iai, and has anyone done or is doing any real research into this? Is there good stuff in Japanese just waiting to be translated?

    If you could all just point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. Though unfortunately I will be limited to English sources only. (My Nihon-go is barely conversational, I don't want to even contemplate reading archaic Japanese)


    Eynon Phillips

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Helsinki, Finland
    Posts
    27
    Likes (received)
    1

    Default

    Hi, one of the best sources for lineages is Bugei Ryuha Dai Jiten but that is in japanese. We have made a "translation" from Hasegawa Eishin Ryu lineage from that book:

    http://personal.inet.fi/surf/iaido/A...keito-BRDJ.pdf

    if you like to look other sources which we have worked:

    http://personal.inet.fi/surf/iaido/A...s/lineage.html

    There are some articles about the history of Tosa Eishin ryu and Eishin ryu in the beginning of the 20th century in the old magazines of Gekkan Kendo Nippon we are trying to translate. When we get that ready I'll give a notice.

    If someone has done other reasearch we are interested to change information. Please contact:
    pasi.hellsten@hus.fi

    best wishes

    Pasi Hellsten
    Finnish IAIDO Federation
    http://personal.inet.fi/surf/iaido/

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Palo Alto, Ca, USA
    Posts
    1,324
    Likes (received)
    1

    Default

    I looked over the lineages shown, and a couple of things stand out:

    The Bugei Ryuha Daijiten shows my teacher, Masaoka Kazumi (Katsukane) as a direct student of Oe Sensei. This is true, and Masaoka Sensei had Kongen no Maki from him. However, it does not show Mori Shigeki Sensei who was Masaoka Sensei's senpai, and who also received the Kongen no Maki from Oe Sensei (I believe one of Iwata Sensei's two Kongen no Maki is from Mori Sensei).

    Iwata Sensei's lineage, on the other hand, shows Mori Sensei but not Masaoka Sensei.

    Just thought I would point this out, and compliment those concerned on their translation of the lineages.
    Earl Hartman

Similar Threads

  1. Daito-ryu - Gendai or Koryu?
    By Jeff Cook in forum Aikijujutsu
    Replies: 87
    Last Post: 12th April 2018, 18:38
  2. Shinkage-ryu heiho
    By yamatodamashii in forum Koryu Bujutsu Forum: Ryuha Archive
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 1st October 2008, 14:24
  3. Kumi Iai
    By wikang in forum Sword Arts
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 8th September 2004, 23:10
  4. Why is lineage important?
    By stanley neptune in forum Member's Lounge
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 24th August 2003, 14:41

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •