Nine mat cut

[glenneasley]

Thanks Ren - that is one huge futomaki!

[hyaku]

Mr Watson

One thing I should have metioned and touched on is the fact that when we say tamesu (try out) its means a test for both swordsman and the weapon he uses. I am sure that if we did not actually have to "Buy" our blades we could hack away to our hearts content.

We can be confident enough to try these things but its one expensive mistake if we fail.

Hyakutake Colin

[T. ALVAREZ]

Mr. Watson,
Thanks for clarifying your background in JSA.

As for the post of my 10 roll is thicker and tougher than your 9 ½ roll. Sorry, but you missed the point. The point being that there are those of us out there doing these things as part of our regular training in JSA. Sometimes we are perfect and other times we suck! In either case, we aren’t trying to set some world record in hopes to drive people to try and beat that record. We are merely trying to push ourselves and our technique.
The HARD and TOUGH bit is for the chicks to decide!!!!!

Charley:
I like the way that sounds.

Clayton:
I’ll try again, but they keep finding excuses for not showing up. When I see them out in front of the store again. They have a new sign that says “Will work for anyone but Big Tony”. I can’t figure it out By the way. Drop me an e-mail. I have some limited addition bokuto that I’m selling. I think you would be interested.

Glenn:
I have video of Hataya sensei and Ueki sensei as well as his brother doing a 10 stack yokonarabi. I have seen them do it several times. Next time I’m in Seattle I will make a copy for Tim to give to you. You should start training again.

Ren:
No can do my brother.
You aint BIG enough!
See you in a couple of weeks.

Big Tony
Senpokan Dojo
Bugei Trading Co.

[Joel H.]

Tony, next month when you're in Japan, maybe I should go with you to Toyamaryu practice and take some photos? Maybe it's time for me to start learning Toyamaryu, too...

Regards,

r e n [/B]

Its a very good system I study it my self and I can hardly wait to meet Hataya sensei when he visits my dojo in february.

[renfield_kuroda]

Originally posted by T. ALVAREZ

Ren:
No can do my brother.
You aint BIG enough!
See you in a couple of weeks.

Yeah but I got more attitude than guys twice my size!

Regards,

r e n

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by renfield_kuroda

P.S. I second the desire to see closeups of the blade -- sounds beefy!

I will try to post some photos and more info on the sword next week. Thank You for your interest.

Daniel Watson

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by T. ALVAREZ

Anyway, there are several people that I’m affiliated with in Japan that perform this type of cut regularly. They as well as I perform this waza with up to 10 rolled and soaked tatami omote/ goza

As I understand the terminology from an earlier post by Kuroda Renjosai Yonekuni, this is a single roll rather than a series. This is also certainly very interesting, but what would be the largest number of single pegged tatami omote cut with one stroke?

Daniel

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by T. ALVAREZ
I’m sorry to tell you this, but one piece of Bugei wara is not the same consistency of a human leg or arm for that matter. I have tested our swords against all kinds of cutting mediums and in all kinds of environments. The closest thing to going through the flesh and bone of living tissue that would be consistent with an arm would be a 1 roll piece of goza or 2 roll Bugei wara. Dead tissue and bone is much more difficult.

I have taken the opportunity to perform quite a number of cuts on deer and pigs. My experience has been that within the first half hour of death most of the cuts still have much of the same basic texture as relaxed living tissue. Muscles under strain seem even easier. As long as no clothing is involved I believe that you overestimate the difficulty of cutting hide, muscle and bone. Either that or the mats might be oversoaked.

Daniel

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by hyaku
The basic principles you talk of or fundamentals vary between arts and styles. One has to do fundamentals for around ten years then apply them to the techniques.

Hyakutake Colin

The principles of physics and of human physiology remain constant. Different arts and styles merely approach those attributes from different directions. But I think it takes even longer than the ten years you mention to learn to use them properly.

Daniel Watson

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by hyaku
In JSA we apply the fundamentals of kahanshin to motivate a cutting action. To be honest a not wishing to appear rude, given a good blade anyone can easily cut well with a good baseball swing.

Working from the lower body is fundamental in CMA as well.
http://www.swordarts.com/videos/eight_cut_slow.avi

But maybe you're right. It's not me. It's the quality of the blade.

Daniel

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by hyaku
Its not a Japanese sword is it. By that I mean a sword made in the west to Japanese specifications with actual fittings. .......

If you are going to talk about a kind of record you had best first make a specific weapon to do it with. You obviously have some nice metal skills. Who knows if you put your mind to it you could be producing some of the best replications in the West. Then add another 30 years or so practice and maybe we can talk.

When I leave Japan I was hoping to get my hands on some mean cutting tool made in the West to Japanese specs. Make my day!

Hyakutake Colin

Over the last 24 years of making swords professionally I have made a number of VERY traditional Japanses blades, smelting from iron sand, folding, clay wrap edge quench, traditional fittings etc. I even had people becoming angry and insisting that those swords were in fact ancient Japanese blades!

But right now I am experimenting and trying to push the limits of the steel far beyond that capable with Japanses specs.

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by hyaku
Mr Watson

One thing I should have metioned and touched on is the fact that when we say tamesu (try out) its means a test for both swordsman and the weapon he uses. I am sure that if we did not actually have to "Buy" our blades we could hack away to our hearts content.

We can be confident enough to try these things but its one expensive mistake if we fail.

Hyakutake Colin

Are you suggesting that I should offer one of my blades for testing ???

Daniel

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by T. ALVAREZ

As for the post of my 10 roll is thicker and tougher than your 9 ½ roll. Sorry, but you missed the point. The point being that there are those of us out there doing these things as part of our regular training in JSA. Sometimes we are perfect and other times we suck! In either case, we aren’t trying to set some world record in hopes to drive people to try and beat that record. We are merely trying to push ourselves and our technique.

Tony,

I understood your point, but sidestepped it. World records can be real whether they are widely acknowledged or not.

My current focus in sword techniques is the further development of fa-jing, the sword version of a three inch punch. It's not showy, an eight inch stroke and the mat falls in two. Looks too easy to be a good demo, but I keep pushing the technique.

For personal development, I do sumi-e, for $$$ make swords, for fun stir up trouble.

[Knightsteel]

Originally posted by T. ALVAREZ
I have video of Hataya sensei and Ueki sensei as well as his brother doing a 10 stack yokonarabi. I have seen them do it several times.

I would very much like to see that. Would you be willing to post it?

[gendzwil]

Originally posted by Knightsteel
My current focus in sword techniques is the further development of fa-jing, the sword version of a three inch punch. It's not showy, an eight inch stroke and the mat falls in two. Looks too easy to be a good demo, but I keep pushing the technique.

I daresay any high-level kendoka could generate enough power with 8" of tip movement to cut a mat.