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10th November 2003, 17:41
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Koga
I found the following information at: http://kihon.com/articles/ninjutsu_faq.html
"Shoto Tanemura, formerly of the Bujinkan Dojo, formed his own organization (Genbukan Dojo) in the mid-1980's and claimed to be the Grandmaster of/teaching both Iga and Koga Ryu Ninjutsu. He has since formed a number of additional organizations."
The part about Koga Ryu, Is this true?
And... What are the additional organizations?
David Eastman
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10th November 2003, 17:51
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Ooooh boy. Seems that Joe didn't do his homework before posting that bit.
To my knowledge, Tanemura sensei has never claimed to be the Soke of any ninjutsu lineage (save for Hakuun ryu). He does however hold Menkyo Kaiden (2) in Togakure ryu.
Last edited by Jay Bell; 10th November 2003 at 17:56.
Systema
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10th November 2003, 19:44
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For some reason I too remember as if Tanemura's website sometime said that the Genbukan ninpo contains "aspects" of a myriad of styles "from Iga and Koga" - don't know if it still says that.
J.T.
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11th November 2003, 21:22
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Printed version
Originally posted by Jay Bell
Ooooh boy. Seems that Joe didn't do his homework before posting that bit.
To my knowledge, Tanemura sensei has never claimed to be the Soke of any ninjutsu lineage (save for Hakuun ryu). He does however hold Menkyo Kaiden (2) in Togakure ryu.
Book: Genbukan Ninpo Bugei ( fundamental taijutsu vol.1)
Author: Shoto Tanemura
Page: 19 last paragraph.
Passage: "Hundreds of years later I am teaching both Iga ryu and koga ryu ninpo."
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11th November 2003, 21:25
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That isn't saying that he is Soke of Iga and Koga Ninjutsu traditions
Systema
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12th November 2003, 03:26
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Damn!
Originally posted by Jay Bell
That isn't saying that he is Soke of Iga and Koga Ninjutsu traditions
Ddaarrg.... foiled again, heh, heh, heh... very true it definetly does not say that!
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12th November 2003, 07:45
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If you look at historical documents and accounts from the time, you see that the Iga and Koga worked fairly close together and mixed many of their teachings. Both schools used the Bansenshukai for example.
So it is not incorrect to say that there is Koga ryu ninpo influences in the traditions from Iga that have survived, but that is not the same as saying that the school itself has survived to this day. It has not. Ashida Kim, Frank Dux, Ronald Duncan and all the others of that claim to teach Koga ryu in the states just can not show any proof of their art prior to the current head.
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12th November 2003, 08:23
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Originally posted by Don Roley
If you look at historical documents and accounts from the time, you see that the Iga and Koga worked fairly close together and mixed many of their teachings. Both schools used the Bansenshukai for example.
Yes, they vere essentially a single area, that was (to the best of my understanding) divided to two areas merely on map for political reasons.
About the book Bansenshukai, it is my understanding that it was compiled from the books that vere used by either Iga or Koga, not that they both used Bansenshukai.
J.T.
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12th November 2003, 12:31
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From my understanding from what is written about Tanemura sensei is the teaching of Koga is influenced by his family's descentants.
-Chihiro Jonesone
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