Bo-staff and numchuck skills...you bet..and his brother was training to be a cage fighter.
Something about a Liger as well...
Aaron Fields
Bo-staff and numchuck skills...you bet..and his brother was training to be a cage fighter.
Something about a Liger as well...
Aaron Fields
Now this is interesting, because that ties in with my own impression from reading between the lines in all the judo history I have read. But I am no scholar and admit to knowing virtually nothing about the technical curriculum aspects of koryu. I'd love to know more.Originally Posted by johan smits
Mark's post was interesting too - I have only ever heard that Fusen won those encounters outright. But - if as Mark implied, the Fusen guys basically pulled guard and stalled, I can see how that would have annoyed the Kodokan competitors intensely. I can also see that would have inspired development of newaza techniques (or *whisper* maybe just shiai rules...) to deal with that occurrence. Anyone who has ever spent 6 futile minutes of a BJJ comp trying to pass some stallers closed guard will sympathise.
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Re. Kid Pelligro and 'The Gracie Way' - while a thoroughly entertaining read, Kid is a long, long way from being an independent, objective commentator.
Actually, the best BJJ history (from a BJJ perspective) that I have read is in "Mastering Jujitsu" by Renzo Gracie and John Danaher. From memory, there was some historical interpretation that was open to debate, but overall it was a remarkably open-minded and objective piece. The technical bits of the book aren't bad either.
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Aaron - that post summed it all up nicely, and made me laugh too.
Cheers,
Mike
No-Kan-Do
Mike and everyone,
There is not much info on Fusen-ryu but visit Bushinjuku.com if you haven't already. It is a great site and contains some info on Fusen-ryu and other stuff.
Any questions on Fusen-ryu are best put there is my quess.
For Aaron: you've got mail uhh, just to let you know. (can't get these damned smilies to work)
Best,
Johan Smits
(okay the damned smiley worked)
Mike,
I'm glad someone besides myself thinks I am funny. Tounge always firmly in cheek, is one of my rules for life.
Johan I have not recieved any mail.
Aaron Fields
Aaron,
You should have now, if not I'll contact you this week.
Best Regards,
Johan Smits
If you want to know about Fûsen-ryû ask Scott over at bushinjuku.com, he is very up on the art as he studied it with Matsumoto-sensei. There is a whole forum section on it. From what he told me, Fûsen-ryû does not have a section on ne-waza perse, but tachi-waza and suwari-waza that goes into ne-waza positions/situations and when doing randori you get to explore or do more ne-waza that’s in the "kata".
Scott’s teacher Matsumoto-sensei unfortunately stopped teaching Fûsen-ryû to focus on Enshin-ryû Iai Suemono-Giri Kenpô, a sword style that he heads. On a side note, this is the mainline, not the breakaway from Tanaka Fumon.
Maybe one reason Scott doesn’t list Tanabe Matauemon on his site, as there was a split in the style, both splits ending up back in Inoue Kazutoshi. Not sure if there is a current sôke, or just shihan-ke/shihan. Fûsen-ryû is also not part of the Nihon Kobudô Kyôkai.
Lineage: Motsugai Taioshô Fûsen (founder) - Takeda Sadaii Yoshitaka - Tanabe Torajirô Yoshisada – split occurs
Split 1 - Tanbe Yoshishirô Yoshimitu - Nakayama Eisaburô Yoshyiuki - Nakayama Kaza
Split 2 - Tanbe Matauemon - Yoshida Saizô - Inoue Atagoware
Back into - Inoue Kazutoshi Yoshitsugu
Inoue’s lineage:
Line 1- Yoshino Haruo - Uchitani Eiji (Bicchû Nagao-den)
Line 2 - Masumoto Takamasa (bunke, quit to focus on Enshin-ryû)
If there is any other branches I am not aware of them, info is from Scott’s site and Ueno-den booklet.
I have seen a video of Matsumoto-sensei and two of his students performing the Taihen-no-waza level and it is truly a shame he stopped. His jûjutsu was amazing and very precise and sharp with lots of flow.
From what I saw, there was tachi-waza "standing techniques" and suwari-waza "seated techniques" that both had some brutal sutemi-nage that resulted in some ne-waza positions. But since it’s a koryû jûjutsu style you want to finish it as quick as possible and not wrestle around for a 30min in a regulated match. So lots of finishing strikes, joint locks, chokes, tantô disarms and or stabbing the guy once you pin him.
How much Tanabe Matauemon contributed to the formulation of a ne-waza curriculum for the Kôdôkan that would end up being focused on by Kôsen jûdô and GJJ/BJJ we may never know.
Here is a picture of a ne-waza position one ends up in a suwari-gata from the taihen-no-waza level of Fûsen-ryû.
Hope this helps.
Eric Weil
"Kuji first, Taijutsu last"
Hello Eric,
it´s possible to buy the Video of Matsumoto-sensei or get a copy?
Best regards,
Michael Reinhardt
Sorry it was a gift and private. I would have to ask permission. Hope you understand and can respect that, thanks.Originally Posted by Cron
Eric Weil
"Kuji first, Taijutsu last"
Hi Eric,
well, no problem
But, another question: exists video material about Fusen ryu?
Regards,
Michael Reinhardt
Hi Michael,
There must be something on the Bushinjuku.com site.
Best Regards,
Johan Smits
Hi Johan,
thanks for the adress, I saw the movie.
Looks very interesting.
I saw a short demonstration here in Germany. Maybe it´s possible that an seminar will be in march.
Regards,
Michael Reinhardt
Hi Michael,
There's Fusen-ryu in Germany? Could you give some details?
Best Regards,
Johan Smits
Hi Johan,
well, normaly Fusen ryu is not learned here in Germany.
My Iaido Sensei learned under Inoue Sensei.
A few years ago, he taught Fusen ryu in Bremen.
At the moment we try to organize a Fusen ryu seminar.
Best Regards,
Michael Reinhardt
Michael,
Give Henry my best regards, we still train some of the kata he taught us.
best,
Johan Smits
Hi Johan,
wow, I don´t know that you are a friend of Henry!
If the seminar will be in Bremen, I will inform you.
Best regards,
Michael Reinhardt