1) Complete locking in aikido is impossible if one want to preserve safety of practice. This is physics, not my or your desire. Daito ryu do complete locking, but in static way. Judo does it in dynamic way but only selected (for safety) techniques are allowed.Originally posted by chrismoses
-1) Don't know how you train, but I don't fall for joint locks that are half open. I don't consider that intrinsic to the system, sounds like poor technique.
-2)Most Nippon Jujutsu involves throwing a partner and letting them get back up. Any other option makes it really hard to continue paying the rent. Likewise to cooperation by the attacker, classical schools call it kata. Misguided cooperation by an attacker is called tanking. Nothing new here, in fact Judo even has this kind of practice!
Aikido has no restrictions to the vocabulary of techniques, AND consists of dynamic practice, so in order to preserve uke, tori must apply half open lock. Joints are not enough strong to survive.
Full power application on completely locked joint = breaking this joint.
If you not agree here with me, may be you never felt locked joint
2) We are talking here about judo, not Nippon Jujutsu. Every throw in judo competition is followed by immediate attempt to lock.
It makes me sick; when I hear aikido ppl talking about "effective martial art" with zero sparring. It is not even funny anymore, it is indigestible.Originally posted by chrismoses
If I follow your own logic however, apparenly it's impossible for Aikidoka to develop effective technique. That makes me sad. !
Please, Chris, goal in judo is competition = sparring. Everything, from methodology using most modern scientifically approach, weight training, food, way of life of athletes are submitted to reach this goal. And if you are over 25, you are not taken seriously. You can't simply compete, so most of the dojo will reject you.Originally posted by chrismoses
What I meant by stating that Judo and Aikido are nearly identical was that both arts teach subtle body movements designed to unbalance and throw an attacker. Judo does so with direct torso and hip control, Aikido makes it seem more magical by effecting the same umbalancing through the limbs (in general). You know, "I just touched him and I fell down!" That whole schtick.
You are talking about few similarities - but ALL MA shares those subtle body movement. You know why? --- Human anatomy. Nothing new under the sun.
Judo and Aikido are NOT identical AT ALL.
ps. You didn't answer: Why Founder created aikido, being efficient martial artist and good fighter? He didn't need more efficient MA, he WAS efficient.Judo existed, he knew it. If Judo and Aikido are same thing/nearly identical so WHY he created aikido? Only for money?