Funakoshi's throws

[Casey001]

Hello,

does anybody have kanji for the 9 throws from Karatedo Kyohan?

Byobudaoshi - to topple a folding screen
Katawaguruma - half wheel
Komanage - spinning top
Kubiwa - to encircle the neck
Sakatsuchi - to hammer upside down
Taniotoshi - to push off a cliff
Tsubamegaeshi - V-turning swallow
Udewa - to encircle with the arm
Yaridama - to spear a ball

Thank you.

[MarkF]

You may want to start by reading of the throws of Kodokan Judo. Many, if not all the throws you list are, either listed by name or have similar names. Translations may differ in the more modern texts so use a book such as "Judo Kyohan" by Yokoyama. It isn't in print but there are many out there being traded or are up for bid.

Examples:
Katawaguruma - kataguruma - shoulder wheel - Fireman's carry (there will be some western influence)

Kubiwa - kubi-nage - neck crank/throw

Tani-otoshi - Tani-otoshi - Valley drop

Tsubami gaeshi - tsubami gaeshi - Swallow counter

I don't know the Kanji, but the book "Judo Kyohan" was first published in Japanese in the year 1909, in English in 1915. The japanese version isn't found as often, but it is out there and generally much cheaper.

Remember that Funakoshi had a fairly close relationship with Jigoro Kano. In fact, when the Kodokan needed larger digs for the quickly growing Judo Institute, the old building was given to Funakoshi. Karate, along with kobudo were and still are taught at the Kodokan, usually in seminar fashion.

My bet is that contacting the Kodokan will land you some valuable assistance in the translations. For contact information, see http://www.kodokan.org .


I hope this helps a little.


Mark

[Casey001]

Hello, thanks for the reply.

I tried to look up some kanji but some are still missing.

Katawaguruma - half wheel •ÐŠ„ŽÔ
Kubiwa - to encircle the neck Žñ—Ö
Tsubamegaeshi - V-turning swallow ‰?•Ô‚µ
Udewa - to encircle with the arm ˜r—Ö
Yaridama - to spear a ball ‘„‹…


Now, these following terms remain:

Taniotoshi - (in the English text it says "to push off a cliff" but this means "valley drop") ›¹—Ž‚Æ‚µ
Byobudaoshi - to topple a folding screen (?)
Komanage - spinning top (nage is “Š‚° but which koma?)
Sakatsuchi - to hammer upside down (tsuchi is ’Æ but which saka?)

Any suggestions or corrections?

Thanks.

[George Kohler]

Originally posted by Casey001

Kubiwa - to encircle the neck

Here is the kanji for kubiwa

One thing though, it means necklace. I've also heard it to mean the collar bone, but not too sure about that.

[Robert Liljeblad]

Originally posted by Casey001

Komanage - spinning top (nage is “Š‚° but which koma?)

In Shorinjikempo we have a technique called tembin nage“V ”‰ “Š it is sometimes referred to as koma nage. In this meaning koma refers to a toy used by small children. This toy consists of a sharpened piece of wood with an attached string. The string is then winded around this sharpened wood piece. By pulling the string the piece of wood starts to rotate on its edge. Same as the attacker will rotate in our tembin nage.

Maybe it?fs the same koma?

Cordially,

Robert

[Brian Owens]

Originally posted by Robert Persson
...In this meaning koma refers to a toy used by small children. This toy consists of a sharpened piece of wood with an attached string.

Yes, that's the same meaning. In English that toy is called a "top" (not to be confused with "top and bottom").

I looked in all three of my Japanese dictionaries, but only found that "koma" shown in hiragana.

[Robert Liljeblad]

Hi Brian,

I have to learn English as well when I find the time. I did not know about ?gtop?h

I believe that the kanji is hard to find because it's a toy for children that it is most referred to in hiragana. I believe the right kanji is ‹î

Cordially,

Robert

[gabro]

Originally posted by MarkF
You may want to start by reading of the throws of Kodokan Judo. Many, if not all the throws you list are, either listed by name or have similar names. Translations may differ in the more modern texts so use a book such as "Judo Kyohan" by Yokoyama. It isn't in print but there are many out there being traded or are up for bid.


Mark

Actually "Judo Kyohan" by Yokokyama is in print thanks to Buyu Books and Publishing (http://www.buyubooks.com). I have got a copy, and it is well worth the expense of shipping it from Japan.

Cheers,

Mads

[kenkyusha]

Here are the kanji for byobu and taosu (to topple or fell) anyways:

[Casey001]

Thanks for all your inputs.

This is the final recapitulation. I have checked all the terms and they sould be correct by now.

Byobudaoshi - to topple a folding screen?@ ›_•—“|‚µ
[it keeps posting different "byou", the one in the post above is correct]

Katawaguruma - half wheel?@ •ÐŠ„ŽÔ
Komanage - spinning top?@ “ÆŠy“Š‚°
Kubiwa - to encircle the neck?@ Žñ—Ö
Sakatsuchi - to hammer upside down?@ ‹t’Æ
Taniotoshi - to push off a cliff?@ ’J—Ž‚Æ‚µ
Tsubamegaeshi - V-turning swallow?@ ‰?•Ô‚µ
Udewa - to encircle with the arm?@ ˜r—Ö
Yaridama - to spear a ball?@ ‘„‹…

Thanks again. Cheers.

[kenkyusha]

Be well,
Jigme

[Michael Bland]

Byobudaoshi - to topple a folding screen (?)
›_•—“|‚µ

is the correct one for that I think.

Never heard of:
›_•—

[Michael Bland]

just re-read your post. And you are correct. e-budo keeps putting the wrong character in for the "byou" character. Did it in my post, too.

eerie.

[Casey001]

No, I am just working on my personal database of karate related terms.

Regards.