Hey Scott, good luck with your new thread. I'll be watching with interest, lurking more than posting these days. Do you have any experience with PPCT? I was a PPCT instructor and a shift response team leader in a correctional facility. As such I have a lot of real world experience with use of force encounters. I like the PPCT pressure points, when they work. When they don't, which is often in my experience, well I also have a lot of years training in TKD/hapkido/yudo, for a fall back position. Now I'm in the private sector as a bodyguard, it looks like I'll be relying a lot more on pressure points, the alternatives being a little too extreme for most encounters.