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    Hello everyone,

    I have reviewed those pages of the KTH website, especially this page, which speaks directly of Takamatsu sensei and Tanemura.

    I'd have understood the material content of that page to be in favor of and authenticating the kukishin ryu of the X-kans -- but the guys over on Budoseek keep telling me that I am misinterpreting the statements on the page? That it doesn't say what I thought it said.



    In either event, the subject is a good one, and I thank all of you for replying, but at this point I'm not sure what to think of it all? It's not important. At least we're having an enjoyable discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lbkickn View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I have reviewed those pages of the KTH website, especially this page, which speaks directly of Takamatsu sensei and Tanemura.

    I'd have understood the material content of that page to be in favor of and authenticating the kukishin ryu of the X-kans -- but the guys over on Budoseek keep telling me that I am misinterpreting the statements on the page? That it doesn't say what I thought it said.



    In either event, the subject is a good one, and I thank all of you for replying, but at this point I'm not sure what to think of it all? It's not important. At least we're having an enjoyable discussion.

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    I'll tell you the same thing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lbkickn
    I'd have understood the material content of that page to be in favor of
    and authenticating the kukishin ryu of the X-kans -- but the guys
    over on Budoseek keep telling me that I am misinterpreting the
    statements on the page? That it doesn't say what I thought it said.

    I think they`re right with their opinions there - over there at budoseek.com.

    First of all, we sometimes just have to accept, that certain answers
    are not existant or at least (out of respect etc.?) not openly published.

    Furthermore we should be aware (especially, if we`re not "in" the stuff)
    of the fact that we often tend to see as written, what we`d like
    to be written and should try to re-adjust our focus on things.

    I don`t know why, but I will repeat myself:
    "
    Chosui taught "authentic kukishin-ryű" to Akimoto and Kimura,
    as at the time they were his students he was still in this ryű."
    (not exactly word by word) is something completely different from:
    "
    [...] the Kukishinden tenshin hyoho website [...] specifically
    identified that the Kukishin ryu taught in the X-kans
    as being fully legitimate and authentic.".

    You are in at least 3 different forums, just to look for an
    "answer" which doesn`t doe any harm or good to your
    own ma-training as you are - as you did mention -
    in none of the 3 x-kan - why does the question
    cause you that much bad headache, then?

    You`ve been told, that your question isn`t just one of these questions
    of simply "yes" or "no" and that you should not fill in the gaps
    with what you would consider to be logical or good.
    Writing about the relation between Takamatsu
    and person A (Kimura) and also person B
    (Akimoto) doesn`t say anything about
    his relation to person C (Hatsumi).

    You not just missinterpreting things.
    Yopu do interpret things that aren`t htere,
    where you think you`ve seen them (kuki-homepage).
    Last edited by Wilf Muecke; 15th March 2009 at 12:56. Reason: signature missing
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    Default Whoa doggies :)

    hello all,

    Mekugi and Wilf Muecke, you seem to have either forgotten or misunderstood that this entire thread was placed as an inquiry based off the conversation and remarks of others posters... originally on another forum. I only brought the subject here (and to Budoseek) to inquire about the matter.

    The link to that conversation is in the very first thread post above.


    I deeply appreciate the conversation but you're giving me the impression that
    you think the conversation and remarks are my own. And you seem to object?

    That being the case, I took the liberty of kindly reminding you
    that it was a subject raised by another and I brought it to
    both Ebudo and to Budoseek to find out if it was correct.

    I don't pretend to understand the entire subject or it's intracacies
    but I have had my inquiry answered, quite thoroughly
    The answer was more or less what I expected.
    The answer was more or less what I thought it would be.

    Your conduct is a little confusing but frankly
    my inquiry is finished... TYVM to all who replied
    I really did learn alot and enjoyed the converstaion!!


    TYVM guys and gals.



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    Fair enough.


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    Cheers to everyone, goodnite!


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    Fine.

    Have a good week.
    W. Muecke
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    A good weekend to you too, Wilf
    and a Good weekend to everybody



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