There are some accounts Tomosaburo Okano started karate in 1939 and then later started his kenkojuku group around 1941-42.--thus proving it had nothing to do with the JKA.
There are some accounts Tomosaburo Okano started karate in 1939 and then later started his kenkojuku group around 1941-42.--thus proving it had nothing to do with the JKA.
Last edited by Bustillo, A.; 8th August 2005 at 13:16.
1) Can you direct us to some official website that states this? I have yet to find anything in English or Japanese that says different than the dates I have posted above.Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
2) It proves nothing until it can be corroborated by a credible source.
Even if he did start training in 1939 it would make him about 16 or 17 when started training and then 19 or 20 when he started his own style.
I would hate to see what people think if some 20 year old kid showed up on E-Budo claiming he started his own style at the age of 20 after training only about 3 or 4 years……..that's pretty young.
Last edited by Troll Basher; 8th August 2005 at 13:41.
Now I am confused.
You say this now:
Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
…..but on 09-29-2001, 04:17 AM you say this:
Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
[QUOTE=Troll Basher]
Even if he did start training in 1939 it would make him about 16 or 17 when started training and then 19 or 20 when he started his own style.
I know you hate the nick picks but you keep mentioning he started a style which is incorrect.Starting a style and starting a school are two entirely different things.
Hector Gomez
"Todo es Bueno"
1. & 2.) I'll see if i can find something on the net, the sources I have are old magazine articles and kenkojuku literature. --don't have a scanner.Originally Posted by Troll Basher
Call it knit picking if you like but he didn't start his own style. it was and still is shotokan.
Furthermore it is important to note that both Funakoshi, the father and son were alive and around back then and in contact with T. Okano when he started his research group. Apparently he must have been no ordinary karateka... saw he was talented and they didn't see any problem with what he was doing. If they didn't think he should be doing what he was doing we can be sure they would have stopped having him as a student and stopped all associations with him. --There are photos of Funakoshi in his school.--Therefore if the Funakoshi's didn't question him, who is anyone else to.
1) Looking forward to it.Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
2) I see. But now people refer to it as “Okano ha Shotokan” which means “Okano’s version of Shotokan”.
3) From what I have read Suzuki Shinjo, Kaneko Isamu and Takagi Yoshitomo helped him start his school.
4) Or possibly Funakoshi wanted to further his dojo base and thought he might supervise Okano while he got it started.
5) Yup, seen the photos.
[QUOTE=hectokan]Originally Posted by Troll Basher
Even so…..after 3 maybe 4 years of training at 19 or 20 years…..still pretty young.
1.-5.) So you see there's no problem.Originally Posted by Troll Basher
I am not convinced just yet.Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
He was still very young when he started kenkojuku....it would be interesting to know just what the set up was between funakoshi and okano.
Also, seems odd he didn't just call it "shotokan"?
why "okano ha shotokan"? why "kenkojuku"?
Robert,
I don't know what point you are trying to make or why all of this is so important to you but some people are just more talented than others.How long did Jigoro Kano train before he not only opened up his own Judo school but created a new style?
Hector Gomez
"Todo es Bueno"
Oh, sorry but this just seems too funny...we didn't realize Okano and the Funakoshi's needed your stamp of approval before deciding it's okay to do whatever their arrangement was back then.Originally Posted by Troll Basher
Good one Robert.
Originally Posted by hectokan
1) Because his name was mentioned
2) He does shotokan
3) he studied from funakoshi
4) supposedly his style of shotokan is different than others
5) this thread is about shotokan and it's off shoots and he is one of them
now you are just being imature.Originally Posted by Bustillo, A.
Originally Posted by Troll Basher
Are you sure that's your main interest in this?.If your really that interested look up his older senior students in japan(you live there) and find out.That would be the best way to research something like this,since reading things simply off the net is not so reliable.
Hector Gomez
"Todo es Bueno"
Originally Posted by Troll BasherOriginally Posted by Troll Basher
I am not convinced just yet. He was still very young when he started kenkojuku....it would be interesting to know just what the set up was between funakoshi and okano.
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It wasn't meant that way but if you think so. It was just hard to take your previous comment too seriously. Perhaps it came across a little different for me.
Either way, if I find the other articles I'll paas them on.