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    Does anyone have any techniques for achieving fudoshin?

    Thanks

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    Sorry, that was me. I was having some problems logging on, but it's fixed now.
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    Train hard for many years. That's the one that seems to work for most people.
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    Train at what?
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    Damien, read "The Unfettered Mind." It contains writings by Takuan Soho on how to practice fudoshin ("immovable"/imperturbable mind) while doing martial arts.

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    Thankyou. It's already on my must-read list, so i'll bump it up to the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien Mason
    Thankyou. It's already on my must-read list, so i'll bump it up to the top.
    Actually, I think you'll find Flow in Sports by Susan A. Jackson, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi more down to earth. Takuan is the classic, but Jackson and Csi, etc. are more useful.


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    Damien,

    Try taking up rock climbing, particularly "trad climbing" and perhaps mountaineering. The level of danger and the need to relax your hold on the old anxiety has been particularly valuable in my experience. It is a roundabout way to learning to embody fudoshin martially but there is not so much risk in martial arts unless you go in for NHB stuff. I regard these practices as a kind of training which seeks to address the relatively peaceful practice and low level of danger for the "martialist' in this day and edge. Military and law enforcement professionals are obviously an exception.

    Don't blame me if uyou are maimed or something though. I watched my friend and climbing mentor fall from a cliff and break his back last year.

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    I'm looking for practical means to achieve fudoshin. Mountain climbing is not practical for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien Mason
    I'm looking for practical means to achieve fudoshin. Mountain climbing is not practical for me.
    Many of the most eminently practical methods don't even reference "fudoshin" as an explicit goal.

    Sit. Breath. Observe what happens without grasping or chasing any perception or reaction to perception.

    Like weightlifting, once you start adding additional stress to the situation, it's good to have a coach and/or spotter who is further along in the practice than you are.

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    The action or the thechnique are almost unimportant!!, because we are referring here something that belongs to the state of mind itself-...

    To the concept of how we use the mind belongs the success or fail. Because mind cant know the unknown grabing the known as an company...

    This is...Just a mind wich is not linked to the past, waiting something to happen, and not tryng to get into something would achieve FUDOSHIN


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    I believe there is a practical method to achieve an immovable mind. I don't think Fudoshin is something you just stumble upon suddenly after years of martial training.

    Perhaps it is, but only an accomplished martial artist can tell me that. Everything else is hearsay.
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    Stumble... jajajajja No, because Fudoshin had nothing to do with many thousands of repetitions, it just comes when you meet certain mind/body condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien Mason
    I believe there is a practical method to achieve an immovable mind. I don't think Fudoshin is something you just stumble upon suddenly after years of martial training.

    Perhaps it is, but only an accomplished martial artist can tell me that. Everything else is hearsay.
    Well how are you going to tell who is an "accomplished martial artist" on an internet forum?

    E-budo.com is best utilised as a form of entertainment and distraction. Occasionally it can serve some social good by alerting people to fraudulent practitioners.

    What it is not, is an online dojo. You cannot have a "virtual dojo" that produces real results, any more than you can have virtual sex that leads to a pregnancy.

    So unfortunately the best answer to so many earnest newbie questions is, "ask your sensei", or "go find a sensei". Not because where into a cult of personality, but because the better part of 1000 years of tradition shows that the only way to learn MA is via "direct transmission outside the scriptures." IOW, you just gotta do it for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichibyoshi
    Well how are you going to tell who is an "accomplished martial artist" on an internet forum?

    E-budo.com is best utilised as a form of entertainment and distraction. Occasionally it can serve some social good by alerting people to fraudulent practitioners.

    What it is not, is an online dojo. You cannot have a "virtual dojo" that produces real results, any more than you can have virtual sex that leads to a pregnancy.

    So unfortunately the best answer to so many earnest newbie questions is, "ask your sensei", or "go find a sensei". Not because where into a cult of personality, but because the better part of 1000 years of tradition shows that the only way to learn MA is via "direct transmission outside the scriptures." IOW, you just gotta do it for yourself.

    b
    You make a good point.

    I was trying to indicate that I wasn't interested in people pretending knowledge by spouting a lot of mystical guff. The reason I mentioned something practical is that I think if something it rooted in practicality, you can tell through your own experience if it is effective.

    There is a wide range of experienced people on this forum. It's better to ask a question and get no response than not to ask it in the first place.
    Damien Mason

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