Since the topic of Ki has been covered to the point where even the current views of the world's top martial artists have been discussed, I don't see any point in getting into a prolonged debate with someone whose water-can is completely full. Briefly, there is no "ki" in the classical sense. That's why no Asian technological papers discuss it at all. It *used* to be an explanation involving a mysterious universal all-pervasive force that explained the missing parts of early technology. That explanation has now fizzled. There are *parts* of the ki paradigm that described phenemena which have no agreed-upon western nomenclature yet. A lot of us still use the term "ki", etc., to intially point to those items conversationally, but that's not an indication of a belief in a mysterious universal force. You can't "know how these things work" and still try to discuss unaccounted for "energies".Originally Posted by kimiwaneNo western science has found any substance that agrees with the idea of a hidden universal force which will explain the phenomena associated with "qi". Period.I'm afraid those are not my topics. Has science any clearly defined view of that? Do all sciences agree on that view?David, your bio says you're a "writer". Not a scientist. If you claimed to be a "scientist" and you were able to just ONCE get this conversation onto a substantive level, then MAYBE we'd discuss "credentials". You're simply dodging and laying out the flummery. Trevor has made you look like a complete dunce, although he's been quite polite about it, but you're too dense to even realize how you look. Even if you have *some* credentials in the physical sciences, you don't have enough to use them for the improper appeal to authority.But before you answer, I'd like to point out that you have persisted throughout this thread in demanding scientific reasoning and you have many times discounted my scientific knowledge, but you've never clearly stated your own qualification to define these questions, yourself. I'm having that with mike on the kuzushi thread, where he's told me what a great martial artist he is and what a super engineer, but he's never been specific about where he's been, what he's done or what his credentials are.
At best you can present witnesses to what you can do. IF you can do those things, then they are explainable on a physical level. So far, I don't know of anyone that has spoken for you (although you have leaned your weigth of blarney against your teacher numerous times, he hasn't volunteered anything about you). Even taking your assertion that you "know all these things", you avoid explaining physically how they work. I.e., you look rather pathetic.
You need to provide a quote for this or retract it, David. This personal BS needs to stop now. And it's the last time I want to have to say it.Originally Posted by David OrangeAbsolute hogwash. You and a lot of people at your level are used to doing the "here's my opinion" like you're Boyscouts sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories, David. There's not even an Asian belief remotely like that to support such a wild statement.Well, the mind IS ki. Ki is alive.Even though I explained exactly what the 3 internal and 3 external harmonies are, you somehow think that you're in that Boyscout-campfire world where it's OK to spin whatever yarn you want and you won't get caught. David, it's over. Those days are gone. There IS no "seven harmonies" involving the "six harmonies". You have egg on your face.If you contact him with the "seven harmonies" (the six harmonies applied in harmony with the opponent's six harmonies), a beautiful reaction will occur and a strange displacement of physical bodies can be observed. My research and experimentation is on that macro level of human mind/body to human mind/body and my only instrument is the bokken. My only references are I Ching, Tao Te Ching and my sensei's books, plus a few others. That's how I study and work with the laws of nature.
FWIW
Mike Sigman