Shindo Rikugo ryu

[George Kohler]

I posted some picture of this school the clipart archive and wondered if anyone has any info on this school. I know that there is a small piece about this school in Serge Mol's book, but wanted to get more information about this school.

Who are the Noguchi brothers?
What did they study?
What happened to the school?
Is anyone still teaching this school?

Now, it might be a rumor, but I heard that the reason why it did not take off like Judo was because one of the Noguchi brothers died at an early age.

[johan smits]

George,

I have no inside information but I got it from a good source that a kata called Higo-ryu taijutsu no kata is still practiced in Japan in several dojo.
I think this kata is from the Shinto Rikugo-ryu.

best,

Johan Smits

[Steve Delaney]

George,

I have no inside information but I got it from a good source that a kata called Higo-ryu taijutsu no kata is still practiced in Japan in several dojo.
I think this kata is from the Shinto Rikugo-ryu.

best,

Johan Smits

The Higo-ryu Taijutsu No Kata does not come from Shinto Rokugo-ryu.
Higo-ryu Taijutsu no kata is an amalgamation of several koryu techniques from, Aida-ryu, Kyushin-ryu,Shi ten-ryu, Takenouchi Santo-ryu, Tenka Muso-ryu and Akiyama Yoshin-ryu.

[johan smits]

Hi Steve,

Thank you for the information. Do you know where the Higo-ryu taijutsu no kata comes from. Could be Higo-ryu but could you give us some more inforamtion about it's origin and contends?

In order not to hijack the thread maybe you can tell us also about the Shinto Rikugo-ryu?

Big please and bigger smiley.

Johan Smits

[Steve Delaney]

Hi Steve,

Thank you for the information. Do you know where the Higo-ryu taijutsu no kata comes from. Could be Higo-ryu but could you give us some more inforamtion about it's origin and contends?

Historically, Higo-han or Higo No Kuni is the feudal name for what is now modern day Kumamoto prefecture. There are ten kata. It was formalized by the Kumamoto Judo renmei (Most of the higher ranking members at the time being koryu jujutsuka) in order to preserve the older methods of koryu jujutsu.

In order not to hijack the thread maybe you can tell us also about the Shinto Rikugo-ryu?

神道六合流　（しんとうろくごうりゅう） Shinto Rokugo-ryu (not Rikugo). I don't know much about this school, other than it's an offshoot of Yoshin-ryu. It's still being taught in Japan as far as I know. Not much more than that.

[johan smits]

One more thing. Some years ago I proposed on this board (and maybe on another one) it woudl be good for the practitioners of modern jujutsu in the West (meaning outside of Japan) if there would be a standard kata for them to practice.
A kata originating maybe in different schools but then they would have something authentic to train in and learn from.

The tenure of the messages I got was that it was not possible, blahblahblah, koryu to difficult, blahblahblah and to different, etc, etc.

And now to my big surprise (and happiness I should add) it seems that such a form does exist.

Steve, I am going to pm you on this one.

Best,

Johan Smits

[Steve Delaney]

One more thing. Some years ago I proposed on this board (and maybe on another one) it woudl be good for the practitioners of modern jujutsu in the West (meaning outside of Japan) if there would be a standard kata for them to practice.
A kata originating maybe in different schools but then they would have something authentic to train in and learn from.

The tenure of the messages I got was that it was not possible, blahblahblah, koryu to difficult, blahblahblah and to different, etc, etc.

And now to my big surprise (and happiness I should add) it seems that such a form does exist.

Johan Smits

Why do you think the Kodokan Kime no Kata was formed? Same thing mate - it preserves the older jujutsu methods. If you add on to that the Kodokan Goshinjutsu, you have oodles of fun!

[George Kohler]

神道六合流　（しんとうろくごうりゅう） Shinto Rokugo-ryu (not Rikugo). I don't know much about this school, other than it's an offshoot of Yoshin-ryu. It's still being taught in Japan as far as I know. Not much more than that.

There are two websites that refer the school as Shinto Rikugo-ryu. One is freebudo.com, which Shiigi Keibun studied this school. http://www.freebudo.com/Ichi%20Gi%20Do.htm This website mentions the name 4 times.

The other website is the kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho website. It says that Tastsuta Yasuichiro studied Shinto Rikugo-ryu art as well. http://www.shinjin.co.jp/kuki/hyoho/history06_e.htm It only mentions it one time. I went to the Japanese version and the hiragana shows as しんとうりくごうりゅう http://www.shinjin.co.jp/kuki/hyoho/history06.htm

The only information that I can find on Shinto Rokugo-ryu/Shindo Rokugo-ryu is a Aikido based school founded ironically by a person with the name Noguchi (Noguchi Senryuken), but I think this was founded after WWII.

[Lance Gatling]

I recently dug up the following books, separately, by chance. I'm wondering if anyone has info on this gent and his dojo.

深井子之吉 Fukai (Nenokichi? sp?) wrote a couple of books, 1st ed. 1911, published by 帝國尚武會 Teikoku Shoubukai, which is apparently the name of their dojo, too. He was the shihan.

柔術教授書　虎の巻　Jujutsu Instruction Manual - Book of the Tiger
柔術教授書　龍の巻　Jujutsu Instruction Manual - Book of the Dragon

The books have a lot of 当身 striking, a range of self defense and fairly offensive moves. The books themselves look like they were not commercially published but rather were sold individually, perhaps to dojo members or subscribers, as there is a place for the member's name on the cover.

The instructors were two brothers named Noguchi. Their father was involved in the 武徳会 Butokukai, and before that the family was perhaps involved in the Tokugawa bakufu military instruction system (haven't closely read the intro yet.)

One is Noguchi Senryuken 野口潜龍軒, the founder of 神道六合流　Shinto Rokugo Ryu / Noguchi Ryu Jujutsu, who also in 1911 wrote the book 柔術修業秘法 Jujutsu Shuugyou Hihou - Secret Jujutsu Practice Methods.
http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...cat=289&page=3
"This very rare Jujutsu text was written in 1912 - the year that the author formed Shinto Rokugo Ryu - a school of Jujutsu based on 6 older schools. The emphasis in this ryu was to make learning easier and faster. With a focus on atemi, this book shows how to build a striking dummy. The rarity of this book is due to the fact that it was only sold to exclusive members.

Contents include:
-Jujutsu shugyo
-Techniques
-Secret of jujutsu shugyo
-Knowledge of gokashu-ho
-Noguchi style jujutsu
-And more "

Noguchi Senryuken is also listed on a Japanese website as 帝國尚武會創始者 自稱8段 ('Teikoku Shoubukai Founder / self-professed 8th dan')
http://tbbird.asablo.jp/blog/2006/09/10/517864
also fought, and lost to, Ad Santel, the famous wrestler, in Tokyo in 1915.

(Source: Japan Times, 3 Mar 1921, 5; Japan Times, 25 May 1921, 8.
Ad Santel defeated Senryuken Noguchi - 11/30/15)

Shinto Rokugo Ryu and Noguchi Ryu seemingly disappeared with these gents.

Anyone have anything else on these gents and their arts, dojos?

If I feel the urge to crown myself Grandmaster Soke of something, this one looks like a good place to start!

Thanks,

[George Kohler]

[this post was merged with this current thread] is a thread that was opened about them.

[Lance Gatling]

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33983 is a thread that was opened about them.

Yes, thanks, I saw this after I opened this new topic, but there really wasn't much info in the other.