Asura
1st , going to say it AGAIN, I have nothing but respect for the internal arts.
Have trained with people quite skilled at them--and know first hand their effectiveness--felt it myself plenty of times.
Only want 2 things here---keeping the converstion on the up and up, and no "style" bashing---thats it.
With all respect--your not reading my posts carefully or in context.
1-The "KO" example--I'm not makeing any "assumptions" at all.
I used it illustrate that if one does not know how power is being generated--then one can't tell from the results.
It may matter to the person generating the power, but in terms of results---its largely a distinction without a difference.
2-Your assumeing that external strikes don't have an "unbalanceing effect"--not sure that you can actually prove that they don't.
You made the claim--its up to YOU to provide proof of that.
3-Your assumeing that the internal strikes use less energy.
I would be delighted to read your proofs/formula/calculations that prove that.
4-Also be delighted to see your proofs that an internal strike does not "offbalance you" if you miss.
As I see it that would have far more to do with the relative level of skill of the person using the art--not an inherant function of the art itself.
A "newbie" internal stylist would be just as likley to make a mistake as any other "newbie"
Besides, there is no evidence that an external strike would be any more likley to "unbalance" you if you miss--AGAIN, the it would depend on the relative skills of the person involved and the situation--not the art.
5-"Telegraphing" there is no evidence presented that the internal arts are any better than the external ones with not telegraphing.
Again, please present proofs of your claims.
Again, that would seem to depend on the skills of the person using the art.
Boxers--quite external" are specifcally trained NOT to telegraph.
The LAST section--those were SPECIFIC response to edges little "what if" games--not general statments/stituations.
They were made to illustrate the futility of playing such "what if" games.
But I thank you for proving my point--one can ALWAYS spin the situation around to where you "win" thus such "what ifs' are worthless--as I was illustrating to edge.
As you say, lots of things are just talk.
Don't know Ark or any of the other folks personally at all--they may be tough as tungstan for all I know.
That being the case I can only deal with claims and what is presented.
Last edited by cxt; 9th November 2006 at 14:46.
Chris Thomas
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