Uchi otoshi

[AMikko]

I'm very intrigued to learn more about Uchi otoshi. I have few questions about it. Uchi otoshi is quite seldom practiced kata. Does anyone know why is it so? Can someone say why did Shimizu-sensei decide not to include Uchi otoshi in his general teaching? Do you ever practice it on your dojo?

[Aden]

Never even seen it, let alone practiced it.

Aden

[Fred27]

might be that Shimizu Takaji stopped teaching this kata alltogether quite early for various reasons.

As for why: Dunno for sure. Maybe he thought uchi otoshi didnt have a useful application after all, that perhaps other kata were sufficient to teach the "lesson" behind it.

Phil Relnick will most likely know more.

[Brian Dunham]

It's taught in the dojo where I train, but I haven't learned it yet(new to SMR),so I can't really comment on it otherwise.

[Fred27]

I may be talking out the wrong end here, but I have a faint memory of someone telling me that Uchio Otoshi was one of the kata Shimizu Sensei developed along with Shamen and Suigetsu as to be used as a way to make kata-introduction a bit smoother. (tachi otoshi is quite a handful for a beginner). That he stopped teaching it seems to be the case, but exactly why I don't know other than the speculation I provided in the above post.

[R A Sosnowski]

I may be talking out the wrong end here, but I have a faint memory of someone telling me that Uchio Otoshi was one of the kata Shimizu Sensei developed along with Shamen and Suigetsu as to be used as a way to make kata-introduction a bit smoother. (tachi otoshi is quite a handful for a beginner). That he stopped teaching it seems to be the case, but exactly why I don't know other than the speculation I provided in the above post.

My understanding is that Uchiotoshi, Shamen and Suigetsu are Police Kata developed for and taught to the Tokyo Riot Police instructed by the late Shimizu-s. and later by Kaminoda-s.

Shamen and Suigetsu were made a part of Seitei Jo Gata.

Uchiotoshi is currently being taught to Kaminoda-s.'s students. There is an outline of this kata in Jodo Kyohan.

HTH,

[Fred27]

My understanding is that Uchiotoshi, Shamen and Suigetsu are Police Kata developed for and taught to the Tokyo Riot Police instructed by the late Shimizu-s. and later by Kaminoda-s.

Shamen and Suigetsu were made a part of Seitei Jo Gata.

Uchiotoshi is currently being taught to Kaminoda-s.'s students. There is an outline of this kata in Jodo Kyohan.

HTH,

Yeh that would make sense.

Oh, though the Shamen and Suigetsu are of course part of Seitei Jo, in our dojo (koryu-jo) we begin teaching Tsuki zue, suigetsu and shamen to new students before proceeding to Tachi Otoshi, tsuba wari and so on. Thats what I meant in my earlier post when I said they are used to ease introduction into kata.

[R A Sosnowski]

Yeh that would make sense.

Oh, though the Shamen and Suigetsu are of course part of Seitei Jo, in our dojo (koryu-jo) we begin teaching Tsuki zue, suigetsu and shamen to new students before proceeding to Tachi Otoshi, tsuba wari and so on. Thats what I meant in my earlier post when I said they are used to ease introduction into kata.

When I began training just over a decade ago, Seitei Jo Gata up through (#11) Midare-dome was taught before beginning the Koryu Kata. The emphasis has changed over the years.

Our current method is to teach Seitei Jo up to Tachiotoshi and then begin Omote; we also work on completing Seitei training.

YMMV,

[Andy Watson]

This is interesting that some people still practise this.

Still begs the question why it a) didn't make it into seitei like suigetsu and shamen did and b) why a lot of SMR practitioners don't practise it.

Perhaps because it sounds too much like a sneeze....

[Martin Doring]

sorry for a late reaction, I just found this forum...

I have been tought uchi otoshi is 1 of the 3 tokushu kata and they go between omote and chudan. Maybe my teacher knows why it is dropped, ill ask him.

[Jarkko lakkisto]

I have been tought uchi otoshi is 1 of the 3 tokushu kata and they go between omote and chudan. Maybe my teacher knows why it is dropped, ill ask him.

So, did anyone get any new infomation about uchiotoshi-kata?!?

[Martin Doring]

sorry no info yet...