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    Default This program is a blessing

    Check Out this Program www.ebbponline.com

    This program has changed the way I make a living teaching Martial arts. I have always known that my traditional ways of teaching and thinking have kept me from building the right school and making a professionals income. This program has changed it all for me. It has been a tramendous financial blessing to me and my family.
    God Bless,
    James Wadley

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    As UMAHOF has been advertised on ebudo before I am surprised no-one hasnt checked this organisation out, or just James's latest offering www.ebbponline.com

    I thought all the titles and grades of Prof Silvio Guerra very impressive.

    Osu
    Trevor
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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorg
    As UMAHOF has been advertised on ebudo before I am surprised no-one hasnt checked this organisation out, or just James's latest offering www.ebbponline.com

    I thought all the titles and grades of Prof Silvio Guerra very impressive.

    Osu
    Trevor

    This is not meant as a advertisment. This is a testimonial, and referral for what my brother passed on to me. If I told you how learning this program has increased my income you may find it hard to believe. I am so excited about the change in my life.
    Last edited by James Wadley; 22nd April 2007 at 20:50.
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    Sorry, advertised was the wrong word, it should have been 'announced'.

    Osu
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    Trevor Gilbert
    ("If I had to select one quality, one personal characteristic that I regard as being most highly correlated with success, whatever the field, I would pick the trait of persistence. Determination. The will to endure to the end, to get knocked down seventy times and get up off the floor saying "Here goes number seventy-one" - Richard M. DeVos)

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    Let me see if I got this right. The course offers Black Belt in "Self Defense" ? How is this different from what most of the e-budo's budoka are already doing ?

    Second, This site does not rub me the right way as it offers people black belt in 6 months. http://www.executiveblackbeltprogram.com/

    Can you explain how one person can hold certain "yudansha" skills in 6 months ?
    Prince Loeffler
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    Default Good Insight for Non-Protection People

    Lets see, from where I am standing, it seems like this program is for those who aren't a serious martial artist. I was involve in Protection and I can see where this program will negate the need for a protection professional.

    I can see the value as far as executives and VIP(s) can learn to become more aware of there own surrounding when doing their particular business. At the same time however, it may give executives, entertainer, VIP(S), etc. a reason to appreciate what their protection and security professionals will go through for the sake of their protection. I wish this was around when I was in the business of protection, because I was so under valued by clients and employers. There maybe some value here.
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    I started out looking at this program as a traditional martial artist might see it to be, but then realized it is a self protection program for the professional. Very different from the way I teach my traditional style to my students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Loeffler
    Let me see if I got this right. The course offers Black Belt in "Self Defense" ? How is this different from what most of the e-budo's budoka are already doing ?

    Second, This site does not rub me the right way as it offers people black belt in 6 months. http://www.executiveblackbeltprogram.com/

    Can you explain how one person can hold certain "yudansha" skills in 6 months ?
    Hi Prince,
    It was buried in one of the FAQ pages, but here's your answer direct from their website:

    http://www.ebbponline.com/index.php?pr=FAQs_FI#7

    "Awarding a black belt after only six months of training is new to me. I am not sure I am comfortable with that.

    We understand this is a new concept. An "Executive Black Belt" is a new term. Your students after completing this course will be so good at self-protection that their is no question they will deserve it. Their black belt is not a martial arts black belt in the traditional sense and is not meant to be a traditional black belt."


    Concerning this thread, though. Do you think it's in the right place? I don't see how this relates to dojo management.

    Thanks,
    Mark

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    Thank you for your responses Mr. Thomas and Mr. Wadley. I really do appreciate your opinions of the matter at hand.

    Several statements caught my attention:

    From Mr. Thomas;

    from where I am standing, it seems like this program is for those who aren't a serious martial artist.
    But in 6 months, "non-serious" "martial artist" can claim "yudansha" rank ? Would this not equate to a civilian claiming a title of Brigadier General of the US Army after playing paint ball war games for 6 months ? This does not sound right ? Don't you think ?

    What is the difference in recieving a "Certificate of Completion" as opposed to "Black Belt Certificate" ?

    On this site: http://www.executiveblackbeltprogram.com/

    6 month training program.
    2 training hours per week

    Now I hated math in high school and college, but if my equation is incorrect, please assist me in correcting it.

    I calculated 2 hours per week for 6 months and I came up with a total of 48 hours total. So what it really boils down to is that it takes a matter of 2-4 months to become proficient in a defensive art or martial arts if they train daily ?

    While I don't doubt that the head instructor has the ability to fight or defend himself. Did it really take him 6 months to have such ability to defend himself ?

    Mr. Wadley, Please do not construe this post as an unwarranted attack against you and your bother's program. I am just trying to understand the logics and concepts behind the product. Think of me as that annoying little kid who keeps bugging you about where babies come from..
    Prince Loeffler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Murray
    Hi Prince,
    It was buried in one of the FAQ pages, but here's your answer direct from their website:

    http://www.ebbponline.com/index.php?pr=FAQs_FI#7

    "Awarding a black belt after only six months of training is new to me. I am not sure I am comfortable with that.

    We understand this is a new concept. An "Executive Black Belt" is a new term. Your students after completing this course will be so good at self-protection that their is no question they will deserve it. Their black belt is not a martial arts black belt in the traditional sense and is not meant to be a traditional black belt."


    Concerning this thread, though. Do you think it's in the right place? I don't see how this relates to dojo management.

    Thanks,
    Mark
    Thanks Mark !

    I didn't see FAQ in their site yet. The problem that "they" know its NOT a "traditional" Martial Belts, but will the students know the difference ? Will the general public know the difference.

    If I put on a CHP uniform from the costume shop, will the public see the difference between a "real" police officer or just some guy dressed like a Law Enforcement officer on his way to a bachelorete party ?

    For now , I guess we could move this to the members lounge. What do you think ?
    Prince Loeffler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Loeffler
    Thanks Mark !

    I didn't see FAQ in their site yet. The problem that "they" know its NOT a "traditional" Martial Belts, but will the students know the difference ? Will the general public know the difference.

    If I put on a CHP uniform from the costume shop, will the public see the difference between a "real" police officer or just some guy dressed like a Law Enforcement officer on his way to a bachelorete party ?

    For now , I guess we could move this to the members lounge. What do you think ?

    True, it would be a bit easier to tell the difference if they'd used some other title for their system than earning a black belt. But, then they run the problem of it being entirely new to people. At least with "black belt", people recognize the term. Not that I agree with it, but I can understand the theory behind doing it that way.

    For now, yes I agree, the member's lounge is a better place for it than here.

    Mark

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    I think I'm an executive,and I want an Executive Black Belt NOW ! I've worked so hard all these years,in fact I think I am well overdue to be awarded a Chief Executive's Black Belt.

    Osu
    Trevor
    (ps,thanks Prince)
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    Greetings,

    So this is like a "Black Belt" in Sigma Six? It indicates you have mastered something, just not traditional Martial Arts, right?

    Correct my thinking, if necessary.

    Regards,
    Tom
    Tom Militello
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Loeffler

    Mr. Wadley, Please do not construe this post as an unwarranted attack against you and your bother's program. I am just trying to understand the logics and concepts behind the product. Think of me as that annoying little kid who keeps bugging you about where babies come from..

    Mr. Loeffler believe me I understand and agree with every word you are saying. I believe the same thing and stand firm about ranks, but I have litterly just starved teaching martial arts and trying to make it in this society teaching and sharing with others. There were so many times I would get so down on what I was doing because I could not make the kind of living for myself and family that we needed. My brother keep saying to me "who else with 20 plus years in a certain field makes so little money?" That bothered me as much as it did him. The only difference is he found a way to change it all and still stay traditional. Mr. Loeffler I love life again, and can finally breath desent. You are my brother in arts and I care for you the same. I just wanted to share a business concept that has changed it all for me.
    Your words are kind in my mind, I know you mean well.
    God Bless,
    James Wadley

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    I suspect that this is why so many who teach traditional martial arts do so in addition to their regular income, not as their regular income.

    It helps keep things clear and in perspective.
    Yours in Budo,
    ---Brian---

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