Mr. Schweinhart, Mr. Buyens, Mr. Weigel and others,
Glad to see a good discussion here on this historically rich ryuha. I’ll add what I think is the truth based on the research I have done into this ryuha. Although admittedly my sources are limited and I have never visited the Kakuno-den groups, but I do have most of the public material put out by them (brhdjt, nihon kobudo soran, etc) including all their respective websites.
Here is what we know in a “nutshell” broken down in simple form so we can all see it clearer. I’ll list the more well known groups with their lineages starting from Yagi Ikugoro with only surname to save space and so its easy to follow along.
Also to point out (reminded to me by George Kohler), Yagi Ikugoro never gave the “sokeship” to one person, so the 3-4 (Ishitani Takeo, Fujita Togoro, Inoue Kumataro, Hirano Jiemon) who got menkyo kaiden from him all started their own branches causing much of the confusing we’re experiencing today.
Ishiya can also be read/pronounced/romanized as Ishitani as is well known.
Also Ishiya (Ishitani) Matsutaro is honorarily listed in the lineages for Kakuno-den but didn’t teach Kakuno Happeita so I’ll leave him out.
Takagi-ryu (aka Hontai Yoshin Takagi-ryu):
Yagi, Ishiya 1, Kakuno, Tsutsui, Kusuhara, Kusuhara.
(koryu, possible alterations in Meiji, Taisho and Showa)
Hontai Yoshin-ryu (Fumon Yoshin-ryu):
Yagi, Ishiya 1, Kakuno, Minaki, Inoue 1, Inoue 2.
(gendai based on koryu, Showa alterations, created by Minaki Saburo based on the changes started by Kakuno Happeita, founded in 1939)
Moto-ha Yoshin-ryu:
Yagi, Ishiya 1, Kakuno, Minaki, Inoue 1, Yasumoto.
(gendai based on koryu, Heisei alterations, Yasumoto received his menkyo kaiden from Minaki though founded by Yasumoto)
Yamato Yoshin-ryu:
Yagi, Ishiya 1, Kakuno, Minaki, Kitada, Imai.
(gendai based on koryu, Heisei alterations founded by Kitada)
Hontai Takagi Yoshin-ryu:
Yagi, Fujita, Mizuta, Takamatsu, Ueno, Kaminaga (koryu, Meiji alterations by Mizuta, possible Showa alterations)
Hontai Takagi Yoshin-ryu jutai: (Hatsumi’s line is a combo of both Ishitani and Mizuta lines)
Yagi, Ishitani 1, Ishitani 2, Takamatsu, Hatsumi (koryu, possible alterations in Showa)
Yagi, Fujita, Mizuta, Takamatsu, Hatsumi (koryu, Meiji alterations by Mizuta, possible Showa alterations)
Hontai Yoshin Takagi-ryu:
Yagi, Ishitani 1, Ishitani 2, Takamatsu, Sato, Tanemura (koryu, possible alterations in Showa)
There are other lesser-known groups still active (like the Ishizaki-den, Fujitani-den, etc) but I’ll leave those out since the majority only know of the above and it will only add to further possible confusion.
This is what I have found and how I see it, if you disagree please correct where I am wrong as I am open to friendly debate and welcome expanding my horizons. Seems like the FACT is that all the branches of Takagi based arts/lineages have all been altered to some degree at some point in their histories since the time of the Meiji restoration. Mr. Schweinhart can fill you in on a lot more regarding the use and name of the school(s).
Hope this helps,
with respect to all the branches,
Eric
Last edited by Shinobi; 8th September 2009 at 04:25.
Eric Weil
"Kuji first, Taijutsu last"