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    Default Nakayama Hakudo's Jodo on dvd/vhs?

    I'm interested in finding any DVD/VHS titles that contain Nakayama Hakudo performing shinto muso ryu, such as the short segment found in this clip:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2reu_abjhjw

    There is no description of the above clip. From which DVD is it from? Are there more Jo-clips or is that 10 second segment all there is?

    I have of course done some googlejutsu but the results are a bit confusing. All dvd's I've found are focusing on his (impeccable) iaido performance with little mention of Jodo.

    Thx in advance for any tips.
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    Nice find Fred,

    That is Hakudo Sensei and Zendo Sensei (his son) preforming kata at the Yushinkan dojo. Really it's just a small clip of a larger demonstration (as you already thought). In that particular demo he and Zendo Sensei demonstraited kata from Chudan and one kata from Jodan. It is one of my favorate demos of Hakudo sensei as (as always) the kata are preformed flawlessly. There is a dvd of some of Hakudo Sensei's preformaces on the DVD Nihon no Bi to Kokoro: Meijin. It is a rather rare DVD now a days so it might be hard to find.

    There is also another video of Hakudo Sensei preforming at the Yushinkan with Sugehara Shinro Shihan. In the demo kata from Shodan and Chudan are demonstraited. Though it is a rare video and as far as I know Ogawa Sensei is one of the few to have a copy. I have one too

    I also have video of Ogawa Sensei preforming our Nakayama ha Shinto Muso Ryu demonstraiting kata from Shoden, Chudan, Joden and Tsumeiai no Kurai from Muso Shinden Ryu (however that is not oursiders to see)

    Actually Monday was the O-Haka-Mairi for Hakudo Sensei, Zendo Sensei, and Negishi Sensei. The Yushinkan (as it does every year) cleaned their graves and the area around them. We the met the Nakayama Family and escorted them to the temple and took part in a service with them. Afterwards giving our final respects to them at their graves followed by a dinner with the famliy. The reason I bring this us is because the current Maitriarch of the Nakayama Family (for privacy reason I will not give her name) was actually talking about her memories of her father (Zendo Sensei) preforming Jo at the Yushinkan when she was a child. She commented on how popular Jo has become in Japan and how happy she is that her father's and granfather's version is still being preserved today along with their other arts (Shindo Munen Ryu Kenjutsu, Muso Shinden Ryu Iaijutsu, other techniques).

    ** note **= I did not make a mistake with the names. Hakudo Sensei completely restructured the kata of SMR when his created his own version.

    The sets are structured:
    Shodan (Omote)-12
    Chudan (Chuden)-10
    Joden (a combination of Kage, Samidare, and Shiaiguchi)-20 plus
    Kage (Gokui) not for outsiders to know


    That kata for Shoden and Chuden are mixed and matched. Interestingly Hakudo Sensei did not change the order of the kata in Omote or Chuden... rather he left the names in the same order as he recieved them from Uchida Sensei. For example Monomi is the 7th kata on the list replaces Kasumi which comes after Kasa no Shita. Making Kasumi the 9th kata in the set (rather than the 7th).

    An example of fusion is Ushiro Zue (Zen/Go). Hakudo Sensei fused the two varriants together calling the kata "Mata Ushiro Zue". Very interesting kata to see.

    Hakudo sensei also added a bunch of other features and techniques.
    One example is Kiri-tsuke. In orthodox versions of SMR (Tokyo or Fukuoka version) the technqiues Kiri-Tsuke requires near perfect distance to use. What I mean from that is that Kiritsuke can not be used in close proximity to your opponent... so if your opponent closes the distance to fast Kiritsuke no longer becomes an option. Hakudo Sensei thinking back on his training in (Shindo) Munen Ryu thought that the closer you are to your opponent.... the safer you will be (as it prohibits him from using his sword as well). So he developed a version of Kiri-Tsuke that allows for such a situation. You can see Zendo sensei demonstrait Kiri-Tsuke (though very briefly in the video). You can see that when he does it Hakudo Sensei is nearly on-top of him. The technque also allows for us to grapple (via. jo) with our opponent more directly (you can see Zendo Sensei doing that as well). Hakudo Sensei also developed a more advanced spinning version Kiri-Tsuke which is performed at higher levels (Chuden/Joden). It is very hard to do and, but extreamly deceptive (also allowing us to grapple with our opponents a little easier).

    Anyway I hope this helps
    Jeffrey Karinja

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    Nice find Fred,

    That is Hakudo Sensei and Zendo Sensei (his son) preforming kata at the Yushinkan dojo. Really it's just a small clip of a larger demonstration (as you already thought). In that particular demo he and Zendo Sensei demonstraited kata from Chudan and one kata from Jodan. It is one of my favorate demos of Hakudo sensei as (as always) the kata are preformed flawlessly.
    Just to be thorough so I'm not missing anything , but the demonstration you mentioned: Is that the one featured on that Aikido DVD? (Forgotten the title) If so, does that DVD feature the full demo?

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    There is a dvd of some of Hakudo Sensei's preformaces on the DVD Nihon no Bi to Kokoro: Meijin. It is a rather rare DVD now a days so it might be hard to find.
    Is "DVD Nihon no Bi to Kokoro: Meijin" the full and correct title? I'm gonna keep my eye out for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    There is also another video of Hakudo Sensei preforming at the Yushinkan with Sugehara Shinro Shihan. In the demo kata from Shodan and Chudan are demonstraited. Though it is a rare video and as far as I know Ogawa Sensei is one of the few to have a copy. I have one too
    That copy, I pressume, is not for outsiders?

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    I also have video of Ogawa Sensei preforming our Nakayama ha Shinto Muso Ryu demonstraiting kata from Shoden, Chudan, Joden and Tsumeiai no Kurai from Muso Shinden Ryu (however that is not oursiders to see)
    Dang..

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    Actually Monday was the O-Haka-Mairi for Hakudo Sensei, Zendo Sensei, and Negishi Sensei. The Yushinkan (as it does every year) cleaned their graves and the area around them. We the met the Nakayama Family and escorted them to the temple and took part in a service with them. Afterwards giving our final respects to them at their graves followed by a dinner with the famliy. The reason I bring this us is because the current Maitriarch of the Nakayama Family (for privacy reason I will not give her name) was actually talking about her memories of her father (Zendo Sensei) preforming Jo at the Yushinkan when she was a child. She commented on how popular Jo has become in Japan and how happy she is that her father's and granfather's version is still being preserved today along with their other arts (Shindo Munen Ryu Kenjutsu, Muso Shinden Ryu Iaijutsu, other techniques).
    Its good to hear that the Nakayama family is still active.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    ** note **= I did not make a mistake with the names. Hakudo Sensei completely restructured the kata of SMR when his created his own version.

    The sets are structured:
    Shodan (Omote)-12
    Chudan (Chuden)-10
    Joden (a combination of Kage, Samidare, and Shiaiguchi)-20 plus
    Kage (Gokui) not for outsiders to know
    I've heard a bit about Nakayama Hakudos "remixing" of SMR. My understanding is that this reorganisation wasnt too popular with the more conservative SMR Senseis of the time and that it led to a falling out with the main SMR crowd.
    At least thats just the geist of it. I havent heard any specific details.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    That kata for Shoden and Chuden are mixed and matched. Interestingly Hakudo Sensei did not change the order of the kata in Omote or Chuden... rather he left the names in the same order as he recieved them from Uchida Sensei. For example Monomi is the 7th kata on the list replaces Kasumi which comes after Kasa no Shita. Making Kasumi the 9th kata in the set (rather than the 7th).
    This is very interesting. Unlike Shiraishi Hanjiro, who is the root of the Tokyo & Fukuoka Jo-branches, Uchida recieved his full Menkyo in the Haruyoshi SMR-branch during the late Edo-period.
    Shiraishi Hanjiro on the other hand trained with and recieved a "joint"-license from both the Haruyoshi and Jigyo branches in the Meiji-period.
    The question is thus if the order of specific kata was different in the two branches... Or if perhaps either Uchida or Shiraishi & descendants changed the order for some reason.
    We will probably never know for sure..(I'm gonna ask a the powers that be though) but its interesting anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    An example of fusion is Ushiro Zue (Zen/Go). Hakudo Sensei fused the two varriants together calling the kata "Mata Ushiro Zue". Very interesting kata to see.
    Now that I would really like to see a demo of .

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    Hakudo sensei also added a bunch of other features and techniques.
    One example is Kiri-tsuke. In orthodox versions of SMR (Tokyo or Fukuoka version) the technqiues Kiri-Tsuke requires near perfect distance to use. What I mean from that is that Kiritsuke can not be used in close proximity to your opponent... so if your opponent closes the distance to fast Kiritsuke no longer becomes an option. Hakudo Sensei thinking back on his training in (Shindo) Munen Ryu thought that the closer you are to your opponent.... the safer you will be (as it prohibits him from using his sword as well). So he developed a version of Kiri-Tsuke that allows for such a situation. You can see Zendo sensei demonstrait Kiri-Tsuke (though very briefly in the video). You can see that when he does it Hakudo Sensei is nearly on-top of him. The technque also allows for us to grapple (via. jo) with our opponent more directly (you can see Zendo Sensei doing that as well). Hakudo Sensei also developed a more advanced spinning version Kiri-Tsuke which is performed at higher levels (Chuden/Joden). It is very hard to do and, but extreamly deceptive (also allowing us to grapple with our opponents a little easier).

    Regarding the kuritsuke. The kuritsuke that Zendo performs in the above clip looks simply that it is much closer than what we (Tokyo, Fukuoka etc) are taught. But I see no reason why we cannot use "our" version effectively, at least not based on my own experience. Of course we strain to keep the maai as we are taught, but should the opponent get closer, or should we as shidachi step too close we can still perform a kuritsuke, albeit a little closer than what we are used too. I might have misread/misunderstood your post but my impression is that a closer distance isn't a real problem.
    Dont forget that the kuritsuke found in chudan, such as the one in "Harai dome" utilizes the exact same close-distance as Zendo demonstrates in the earlier clip.

    Quote Originally Posted by bushikan View Post
    Anyway I hope this helps
    Aye it does. There havent been much Jo-discussion here lately
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    Just to be thorough so I'm not missing anything , but the demonstration you mentioned: Is that the one featured on that Aikido DVD? (Forgotten the title) If so, does that DVD feature the full demo?
    That DVD has the performances on there but not all of them are complete (if I remember correctly). Still it's a very good DVD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    Is "DVD Nihon no Bi to Kokoro: Meijin" the full and correct title? I'm gonna keep my eye out for it.
    That is the name of the DVD I was given by Ogawa Sensei. I have not heard of it being sold anywhere (Ogawa sensei also said that he added some content to the DVD from his private collection).


    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    That copy, I pressume, is not for outsiders?
    You be right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    I've heard a bit about Nakayama Hakudos "remixing" of SMR. My understanding is that this reorganisation wasnt too popular with the more conservative SMR Senseis of the time and that it led to a falling out with the main SMR crowd.
    At least thats just the geist of it. I havent heard any specific details.
    You would be right. In truth the style is nearly exstinct. The style was protected during Hakudo and Zendo Sensei's time mainly because of their status in the Budokan and their personal skill. I mean who is going to challenge two of the last "Kengo of the Showa"... no one (well I certainly would not have tired it). The Yushinkan is the only dojo which practices the style in it's entirety. Due mainly to the amazing growth SMRJ experienced. As there are now enough people practicing Tokyo and Fukuoka Jo in the world to block out the sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    Regarding the kuritsuke. The kuritsuke that Zendo performs in the above clip looks simply that it is much closer than what we (Tokyo, Fukuoka etc) are taught.
    It is very different. One of the reasons I love watching Zendo Sensei's clips is he is one of the few who truely mastered Hakudo Sensei's Kiri-tsuke and could preform it at blinding speed. So he could do the technique like that with little effort. The technqiue is preformed very different from Orthodox SMRJ however. We are taught to bring our right hand and rest if on our forehead (while slightly leaning our head back), this allows us to throw the teki using our spine, arms, and legs to support us. Also unlike Orthodox SMRJ the Uchidachi puts alot of his weight and power into his strike, making him very hard to throw. Zendo Sensei was so skilled, however in his movements that he did not even need to rest his hands on his forehead because of his impecable technqiue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    But I see no reason why we cannot use "our" version effectively, at least not based on my own experience. Of course we strain to keep the maai as we are taught, but should the opponent get closer, or should we as shidachi step too close we can still perform a kuritsuke, albeit a little closer than what we are used too. I might have misread/misunderstood your post but my impression is that a closer distance isn't a real problem.
    I did not mean that you can not use it. I just meant to say that was Hakudo Sensei logic behind re-inventing the technique. The orthodox version of Kiri-Tsuke is very effective and beautiful to see. And was one of the main issues Hakudo Sensei had to face after creating his own version. Koryu is like a religion... try to change it and your going to run into a bunch of unhappy people. I can't imagine what the reaction of the Jodo community was like after they saw the changes in kata that Hakudo Sensei created.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred27 View Post
    Dont forget that the kuritsuke found in chudan, such as the one in "Harai dome" utilizes the exact same close-distance as Zendo demonstrates in the earlier clip.
    That is a little different from what we do. In that video Shimizu does goes in very close almost to Kuroda's side, but he recieves the technqiue to the lower right side (around Kuroda's mid-stomach area). When Zendo Sensei recieved Hakudo Sensei cut... it was around his head level. He also recieved the technique nearly strait on (as where Shimizu recieved it from the side). But also Harai Dome utilizes a different varriation of Kiri-Tsuke. What you see Zendo Sensei is our norm.

    It is very hard to explain this via this form of media and the differences are best explained in person. Please understand that I have nothing but the upmost respect for Orthodox SMRJ and mean absolutely no disrespect to it or it's technqiues.

    Best
    Jeffrey Karinja

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    There is some Hakudo Nakayama jodo footage on this DVD:

    http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo...44&cat=&page=1

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