How do we deal with the threat of BJJ?

[Flintstone]

Thats even more fun - ask him how he'd deal with a kickin', punchin', grapplin' kenshi

I could answer that... but you had to be in my part of the world.

[Tripitaka of AA]

dos cervezas por favor?

[Flintstone]

dos cervezas por favor?

Two more for me, please .

[Omicron]

I think that the issue is that in SK we don't (officially) train in ground fighting.

I've always been curious as to why this is.

[Ewok]

I've always been curious as to why this is.

White dogi get dirty so very quickly

[atonfrc]

Here in Brazil we have our Dojo together with the people of BJJ and they are very curious about our style. They are very opened and have no problem to teach us some techniques of Jiu Jitsu.

I think that is interesting for us to learn a little about BJJ to understand better how defend ourselves against BJJ.

Actually, I think that SK have some tecniques that could be used to defend against the grappling, but have no choice when on the ground. Then, we need study some grounding techniques.

Guilherme Fauque

[JL.]

Gassho!

Wow, that's a great example of how MA styles should work together! This can only be beneficial to both sides, I believe.
Thanks for sharing this with us and welcome to eBudo.

Kesshu,
______ Jan.

[Omicron]

White dogi get dirty so very quickly

Sounds like you might need to keep your floors a bit cleaner.
BJJers wear white dogi too.

[Richard Scardina]

I would like to chime in and say to be a good martial artist is to be well-rounded or versitile. I tend to think martial arts, and teachers thereof, tried to evolve since the dawn of man creating systemized fighting methods. Thus, no art is acccurately original, but a melting pot. Over time, over forty years, I have seen a martial art get into "the limelight", and others who do not practice in such, degrade, challenge in some way, or give implications. Then again, such who do practice, return the "favor".

Per self defense, no one will truly know what kind of opponent they would be up against and the fact that defense also hinges upon the situation and environment. Simply if one is opt to visit a pub more often, then they are opt to get into an affray, and most likely with someone intoxicated.

One should examine their environment per its course of situation, which may unfold (per the example of a pub and intoxicated people), and adjust their training accordingly.

[Omicron]

Per self defense, no one will truly know what kind of opponent they would be up against and the fact that defense also hinges upon the situation and environment.

Which is why many of us feel it's important to train for as many different self defense scenarios possible, including fighting on the ground. That SK lacks any ground work (at least as it's usually taught) is a detriment to the effectiveness of the art as a complete self defense system.

[Kevin Geaslin]

You won't find many BJJ people today that don't train in lots of standup as well. In the old UFC, BJJ took everyone down and submitted them. So all the boxers and kickboxers and karateka started learning BJJ and Judo and wrestling, then people started getting KO'd with right crosses and roundhouses. So then everyone started training with everything.

I guess my point is that a BJJ fighter that doesn't know striking has as much to fear from a Shorinji Kempo expert as a striker has to fear from them. But since they're probably cross-training in Muay Thai, boxing or karate, you should look into doing some of what they're doing. Be complete, and all that. If Shorinji Kempo lacks newaza, train some Judo, which is "street smart" BJJ.

[Richard Scardina]

Which is why many of us feel it's important to train for as many different self defense scenarios possible, including fighting on the ground. That SK lacks any ground work (at least as it's usually taught) is a detriment to the effectiveness of the art as a complete self defense system.

Hence my beginning statement to the particular post you had referenced;

I would like to chime in and say to be a good martial artist is to be well-rounded or versitile.

[Omicron]

You won't find many BJJ people today that don't train in lots of standup as well. In the old UFC, BJJ took everyone down and submitted them. So all the boxers and kickboxers and karateka started learning BJJ and Judo and wrestling, then people started getting KO'd with right crosses and roundhouses. So then everyone started training with everything.

I guess my point is that a BJJ fighter that doesn't know striking has as much to fear from a Shorinji Kempo expert as a striker has to fear from them. But since they're probably cross-training in Muay Thai, boxing or karate, you should look into doing some of what they're doing. Be complete, and all that. If Shorinji Kempo lacks newaza, train some Judo, which is "street smart" BJJ.

While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, there is more to a martial art than just content (i.e. strikes/grappling/both). Training methodology enters into the matter at least as much as, and perhaps more than, the type(s) of technique learned. BJJ/judo/boxing/Muay Thai tend to be effective because of their emphasis on pressure testing with full partner resistance; the existence of large differences between these styles points to the fact that training methodology does indeed play a significant role in combat effectiveness.

[Indar]

... training methodology does indeed play a significant role in combat effectiveness.

true; if you are already at yudansha stage and have a good basic grounding in SK then why not find some friendly BJJ or MMA guys to train with, if that's the area that you want to improve on ?

I've been training at a kickboxing club, and I don't doubt that it has improved my "combat effectiveness". I think that we've already covered the issues around cross-training on this forum.

[Omicron]

I guess my point is that a BJJ fighter that doesn't know striking has as much to fear from a Shorinji Kempo expert as a striker has to fear from them.

I don't know if that's entirely true. If one person wants a fight to go to the ground, chances are it's going to end up there, eventually. It's a lot easier to make a fight go to the ground than it is to stand back up once that's already happened; there isn't a 50/50 flow between positions. That's what the early days of the UFC showed: in a contest of pure striking vs. pure grappling, grappling almost always won.