Just to be clear Ron as seen above, I never drew any conclusions that Saito-sensei learned any fighting techniques with the sensu from Fujita-sensei, just that he learned techniques/methods of how to use it (and yes in this case as a measuring device), I didn't say how as I wanted people to go read the interview and not have to post the whole thing here. Sorry that Eric Bell or others might have drawn that conclusion, that was not my intent. I hope that clears things up.