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    Quickfire question...

    Who was Itosu's senior student?

    a) Kentsu Yabu
    b) Hanashiro Chomo
    c) Kenwa Mabuni
    d) Gichin Funakoshi
    e) Kanken Toyama
    f) Chosin Chibana
    g) Other

    I don't mean who 'joined' first, who was the oldest or who ended up with the highest Dan grade. I mean, if they were to all line up in order of seniority, who's at the head of the line?
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    For me if I was to 'proclaim' one the Senior it would be Chosin Chibana.

    My history is not good on this subject but I beleive Hanashiro Chomo was around before Chibana which when they were both alive I beleive would make him Senior, taking age of person and training time into key consideration.

    Im told age, especially for the Okinawans is a huge representation of Seniority in all aspects of life so difficult to discount it.
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    Hello,

    since A. Itosu left no written document wherein he states that XY is “my senior student / successor”, it is difficult to answer. Foremost it will become a political question. For example, followers of H. Kinjō for sure would argue that C. Hanashiro (one of H. Kinjō's teachers) is the most senior student of A. Itosu.

    On the other hand there are few examples of students of A. Itosu who openly state that they not regard him as their primarily teacher, which is the case for G. Funakoshi.

    Regards,

    Henning Wittwer

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    Thanks for your answers gentlemen. I have also read that Kenwa Mabuni regarded himself as successor to Itosu and awarded his student Ryusho Sakagami with the title "third successor of Itosu-ha."

    See here:
    http://www.genbukai.org/sakagami.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/shitō-ryū
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    background info for Chosin Chibana - http://www.shidokankaratedojo.com/Ch...a%20Sensei.htm


    background info for Chomo Hanashiro -
    http://shitokai.com/hanashiro.php

    I have no idea on accuracy but at least it gives a starting point.
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    thanks jim. I have seen those pages before. They are good bios. Personally i'd go with chomo, but just curious about other people's views.
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    just noticed e-budo wouldn't let me post the name of mabuni's style on the link because if the first four letters. I wondered why i never read about courses in scunthorpe!
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