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    I have a question regarding the Japanese language. The question is on the use of the suffixes "den" and "ha" to differentiate versions of a root art such as Onoha Itto-ryu and Takedaden Onoha Itto-ryu. The confusion with me lies in when to use HA and when to use DEN and is there a difference in their meaning.

    Thanks ahead of time for your help.

    Jose Garrido
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    The Japanese kun reading of den 伝 傅 is つた tsuta, as in tsutaeru (tell, convey, transmit), tsutawaru (be handed down), and many of the compound words have the sense of transmitting something handed down. Ha (派, there is no Japanese kun reading) does not have this sense. Ha has the sense of group, faction or sect, and also of sending or dispatching. There is no sense at all of something transmitted or handed down.

    Best wishes,
    Peter Goldsbury
    Hiroshima, Japan

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    Thank-you very much. This is very helpful.

    Jose Garrido
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    I think the answer you are looking for is Takedaden Onoha Itto-ryu is fake and Onoha Itto-ryu is real.
    Christopher Covington

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    Thanks Chris, I was trying to be politically correct.

    Jose Garrido
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    This is a language forum and the question asked in the opening post is not directly related to the quite different question of what is fake and what is real.
    Peter Goldsbury
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