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    Hi all.....

    I recently suffered a pulled groin muscle during a judo camp and can say that it's one of the most aggrivating injuries that I've suffered. It only flares up when I move in certain ways, but MAN does it remind me when I forget.

    Besides the basic RICE methods....is there anything else that I can do to speed up my recovery? I have tournaments coming up soon and I need to get past this. Any help?

    Thanks,
    Roger Corley

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    Talking Hehe, I feel your pain

    The ice is your best friend. (I know you won't think this when you're using it.) You may need to see a doctor, depending upon the severity of your muscle strain. Grade I involves a cramp or pull of the muscle fibers, Grade II is characterized by small to moderate amount of muscle tearing (macrotrauma) and Grade III involves the tearing of a large number of muscle fibers. Here's the solutions, (that I know of): (From the listing of favorable to least favorable.)

    1.) Rest: Yes, this is the key to successful recovery. Cumulative macrotrauma isn't a good thing for the body.

    2.) Herbal Therapy: A variety of categories of herbs help out injuries, including vulnaries, rubefacients, and anti-inflammatories. All these reduce edema (swelling). Recovery simply cannot occur in anything until swelling has gone down. In many cases, low dosages of these herbs work as well as high dosages.

    3.) Diathermy: A high frequency form of heat which can penetrate as deep as 2 1/2 inches into injured tissue. Administered by a chiropractor or physical therapist, diathermy promotes circulation to the injured site.

    4.) Electro-stimulation: Moderate amounts of intermittent electrostimulation directly to the injured tendinous area for 10-15 minutes per session.

    5.) Cryo-therapy: Take crushed ice and put it in a zip-lock bag. Cryo-therapy is very beneficial to reducing edema, pain, and pumping muscular tissues free of accumulated waste. It's important while on ice to MOVE the bodypart around. Static fixation is counter-productive to the healing process. Spend at least 15 minutes on the ice, but no more than 20. Some therapists believe so strongly in ice therapy they say do it once every hour for 15 minutes.

    6.) Corticosteroids: Administered by injection to the injured site, they reduce inflammation and pain. The drawback is that these agents cause a breakdown of collagenous and ligamentous tissue after repeated injections.

    7.) Proliferate-Injection Therapy: This is injected directly to the injured site, causing an "artificial injury", which then provokes the collagenous cells to begin restructuring themselves more quickly.

    8.) Surgery: What we all hope to avoid after the massive amounts of damage we do to our bodies.
    Michael Ryan

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    As you can move around your pull is likley class 1 or 2. The best thing for you is rest, stay off of it as they are not quick healers. I've been there twice and it is not fun. It is even less fun after a year, which is what is took mine to heal as I didn't stay off of it (the first time.)

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    Short addendum to NoMan's reply.
    Can make an ice poultice by adding a bit of rubbing alcohol to water in a bag, then freezing. The little bit of alcohol acts as an anti-freeze, keeping the mixture slushy and conformable to body parts.

    Watch out for frost-bite! Go to numbing then take it off. Don't go past skin blanching (whitening) to reddening again. Danger Will Robinson!

    Can help avoid by using wet washcloth between bag and skin.

    And make sure you know where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow! (F. Zappa) (Sorry- it's late.)
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    If the injury is more than 24 hours old ice is no good except for numbing. Too much ice can cause the skin and other tissue to become necrotic (you can see this happening anytime the skin changes color). Use heat. Since the injury has set in and the pull has likely balled up into a spasm, muscle relaxers can help. Of the prescription variety, Valium is the best, Chlorazepate dipotassium (can't think of the name brand at the moment), and Ativan, small doses, probably one-half milligram will do the trick. of the non-benzodiazapines, Soma, Soma compound, and soma comound w/codeine can help, and Klonopin (Clonazepam). The latter, while not generally used anymore even for sedation in most cases, it is effective in managing myeclonic seizures.

    It isn't as bad as it sounds. It has the fewest side-effects and works as well as most other benzos.

    The alka-seltzer thing works, but not better than plain aspirin, but it works faster, and aspirin, in my opinion is the best NSAID there is, over the counter, or prescription. If you can't take aspirin or Alka-Seltzer, there is a non-aspirin variety with acetaminophen (Tylenol) which also may work faster, but IMO, is less effective. Since Tylenol does not work as an anti-imflammatory such as aspirin or Advil, it does relieve pain but instead, works on the CNS. If you can stand it, you can eat aspirin, chew up two or three tablets, and it will work faster. The one remedy I've used which definitely works faster than in a pill form, is Liquicaps Advil. Now that I can personally vouch for, the other is my business. That is one way of dosing in which the TV ads talk up about which they are not lying. Children's advil in the correct dosage for adults (200 to 600 mgs) is effective, as well.

    TNS, or TENS goes back to the sixties and can work provided the electrodes are placed on or near the correct nerves. You will need a specialist to order it and usually it is covered by most NON-HMO plans. This would be something which you may have to carry around with you, as it only works will turned on to the right strength, but more than thirty minutes at a time must be avoided. After a while, you should note improvement when you are without it. I'm not sure of today's units, and they may be more effective. This is one of those things, like BIO-Feedback or chropractic which is an individual response thing. Not everything works for everybody.
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    For deep, radiating heat, Moxa herb, applied during an acupuncture session (note that it doesn't touch the needles), placed close to the needles, gives heat off so well, that when applied to the back, one can feel it deeply in the abdomen. Again, this is on an individual basis. For me, it has a temporary, painrelieving effect, from a few hours to a few days, and others swear by it as a cure for chronic conditions.
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    Rest is probably the only way, but two much or rest to the point of complete non-activity is not what most mean, but that is an assumption on my part.
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    If you go back to the early seventies, you may remember when Jerry West of the LA Lakers had a groin injury. He rested for an entire season, and came back in the first game of the next season, but as a "pine brother (basketballers know who the pine brothers are). When the Lakers had but a few tics on the clock left and were down by one point (no three pointers), they brought West in. They got him the ball, he dribbled, pulled up, and swished a 25 footer in at the buzzer. The place went bezerk. A few games later, he reinjured the same muscle, and angrily limped off the court to the showers.

    He retired shortly thereafter.

    The point? Be cautious, but you must take chances, but not big ones. If it is at a point that it doesn't hurt doing the usual things around the house then exercise is a good idea. Small at first, push the injured muscle[s] a little, and it just may be forgotten in a short time. On the mat, work in areas which don't involve the groin so much. If this happened while doing your best tokui waza, well, you may have to depend on the others in your arsenal. This is also a good time to work on your ne waza.

    As to shiai, well, it depends on the importance to you. If you don't allow sufficient time for healing, this could become chronic. Something will become chronic, but it doesn't have to be this, if you are careful. If you are able to do some nice 'n easy give and take randori, without the usual resistance, or overdone tsugiashi, go the easy route, little by little adding back your favorite techniques until you feel no pain.

    OK, you've got one level behind you. Now all you have to do, is go out on the mat and forget you even have a groin.

    I never followed this kind of advice. I broke my ankle in class once as a kid, and the docs said six weeks in a cast, then three months of NO judo at all. With the California State AAU tournament coming up, I entered and won my division, the junior one, three weeks after coming out of the cast

    Today, I've very weak ankles and is probably the one injury, if I could do over, I wouldn't have gone back to full training so soon, or at all, for the full three months. The championship is now in a box in storage, and I loved the shiai circuit.

    Things change. Importance or choices change. I'd say risk it if that shiai is worth the possible damage you may do which may hurt the rest of your career.

    Then again, as Vince Tamura did, became the Master's Champion seventeen years in a row, retiring for a reason most don't have: there was no competition, at least none in the Master's in which he ruled all those years. Hank Ogawa, on watching the Canadian team on Television, at the time he was 85, said, "If I were twenty years younger (65) I could beat those guys." This about the team which went to the Olympics in Sydney. Not too bad a team, at least not for North America, it wasn't.

    Ya pays yo' monies, and ya takes yo' chances.

    Mark

    Sorry for the rant 'n rave.

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